Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Tylergal]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

After seeing his plumbing tools, I think he is going to need a pot on which to squat.

[Ono]

Ono, she's a better poker player than he is. From what I read he is horrible. she cashed in her chips...I didn't see a vid of Joran cashing in anything so he wasn't a WINNER on that night. If he borrowed money from her to play he would have had to pay her back....she goes to cash in her chips and he is waiting for her ( in the casino vid)
 to WALK her out...in my opinion. the nice guy that he is he is escorting her to the car.
If he owed her money I think she would have been hawking him after she cashes out but it looks like he is standing there waiting for her.

She drank something while she was playing, I don't think he is fool enough to drug her at the poker table. the car would have had to be the place, no one else would see then. There were wrappers in the car..is Joran getting sloppy or just plain desperate. I think desperate. He is even poorer than when he walked in and now he knows she has a bundle.

this would have made her woozy enough to feel bad ( she even rubs her eyes in the beginning of the poker video when she sits down ) and she was on her monthly-- more susceptible to drugs, chemicals, more tired than usual. did she just start her period that day?? this would make sense to me that she wanted to put on a pad in his room and a pad was attached to her panties....he never removed it and he sure didn't put it on for her.

I think he attacked her right out of the bathroom- the bathroom lie he told about someone in the bathroom...half truth I think. I believe he allowed her to use the bathroom, she was feeling faint and needed to put on a pad ( there were no used pads found as far as I know ) and he began beating her.

I don't think she made it as far as seeing anything other than an enraged Joran who lost to a superior woman.
why would she let him teach her online poker anything if she won and he was a loser?

Selena

Scenario entirely possible;  I don't believe the online poker thingy either-if someone went online, I bet it was he after the fact.  In my opinion, the murder was most likely committed within 30 minutes to the max, after they entered; Robbery was his goal in my view;  I really believe Joran was also after Natalee's money which she had with her-remember wasn't it one of the Kalpoes who complained that the amount was so small?  At any rate, he is a sadistic mysoginist, at the very least.

[Edward]

 Lori Berenson  was able to get pregnant by her attorney while in a Peru Prison.
Maybe Joran can do the same.

[cece]

See the first minutes of Joran van der Sloot in jail


Trujillo Ospina Colombian hit man, alleged murderer of Myriam Fefer, tried to visit him in his cell, measuring three by two feet. Do not eat and sleep on the floor


The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot was transferred last Friday to the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, after confessing that he murdered the young Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30.

The chambers of "Weekly Report" reported the income of the European detention center. Flanked by several prison guards and accompanied by the head of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), Ruben Rodriguez Rabanal, Van der Sloot was brought to his personal cell.

The murderer confessed cell measuring three by eight feet, with a laundry, a silo and a mattress, although he preferred to sleep on the floor. It was reviewed by doctors at INPE. Your card number is 326 390. You can speak Spanish and does not need a translator.

"I am suspected of murder," he told reporters when asked about the program. After he refused to answer more questions.

WITH SICARIO
In one image, we see that the Trujillo Alejandro Ospina Colombian hit man, alleged murderer of Jewish businesswoman Myriam Fefer, enters the cell of Joran van der Sloot. Immediately, Trujillo Ospina was whisked away.

http://top-mundo.blogspot.com/2010/06/vea-los-primeros-minutos-de-joran-van.html

Thank you Northern Rose.  I saw him in the video Klaas posted  & it looked like they led him away to another part of the prison.  (Interesting).

[Blonde]

Inmates Toilets this is not Peru this is foreign prisons
Conditions.
I thing he just a hole in the dirt.

[Tylergal]

Around here (South Florida), headache = dolor de la cabeza.

Pain in the head.

I've not heard it referred to as 'mal'.

But maybe it's different here.

"mal" equal sick

[Ono]

Media representative = Julia?  Who else would accompany Anita anywhere?

I can't think of many other possibilities.

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I asked that question too but someone, can't remember which poster, suggested Dilma?

Another possibility.  Not just anybody is going to want to be seen as defending Joran. 

And all visitors to the prisons are subjected to strip searches.  That alone will discourage some.  I find the thought of Anita being stirp searched some how sort of hilarious.  Pity the person who has to do it, however, with all that fat.

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Frankly I'd be shocked if Anita the elitist would allow herself to have a cavity search but I will also admit I find comfort in the thought if cecilita's correct regarding that, that she could never visit him without undergoing one?

You underestimate Anita.  She is probably gleefully anticipating a big brutus drug smuggler inmate doing a cavity search. 

 

On herself ...?  [ rolling eyes thingy ]  LOL

[TURBOTHINK]

You know I'm reading the latest from Foxnews:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/11/van-der-sloot-reveal-location-holloways-remains-transferred-aruban-prison/

Van Der Sloot Willing to Tell Where Holloway's Buried in Exchange for Transfer to Aruba


It would be nice if the prison officials would say to Joran "give us information that leads to the discovery of Natalee's body OR we will put you in general population immediately"

To me the most perfect plan would be for them to tell him they WILL transfer him to Aurba to serve out his sentence - have him sign a bunch of fake papers and then demand he tell them where Natalie is and if it verifies he will be moved.

After he tells them where she is...............go back in his cell and say SUCKER WE LIED - just like you did to Natalie's family for 5 years..............WELCOME TO YOUR PERMANENT CELL JORAN!!

[Blonde]

Inmates Toilets this is not Peru this is foreign prisons
Conditions.
I thing he just a hole in the dirt.

I think ( my nails are way too long hitting all the wrong letters Sorry)

[darleenofalabama]

Hello, Y'all!  Watch out for me; I'm officially bad now.  As y'all probably remember, earlier this week I said "Hot Damn" on this forum--and last night, I got sent to the heated exchange at the Refugees!  I think it's because I told Glenda not to wear her stolen tiara until she straightened up, or something like that...

[Tylergal]

Media representative = Julia?  Who else would accompany Anita anywhere?

I can't think of many other possibilities.

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Anna - what are you referring to?  Which post/link?  TIA

No particular post.  I am replying to San pointing out that Anita is supposed to be going to Peru and taking a media representative instead of a lawyer.  I am speculating (see my ? mark) who this could be, Anita's media representative.  That's my guess as to who might go with her if it is oddly enough a media representative instead of an attorney to help Joran. 

Even his own mother is more concerned with PR than helping Joran.

Van der Sloot jailed on first-degree murder charge
The Associated Press
Friday Jun. 11, 2010 6:44 PM ET

Reached by the AP, Altez refused to discuss the case. He said Van der Sloot's schoolteacher mother, Anita, would be arriving early next week with the family's own media adviser.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20100611/van-der-sloot-suspect-100611/

Oh Lordy..Anita never gives up..how in the world does she think she can spin this one..her son in jail..two murders mirroring each other 5 years apart to the day..and she brings her own media advisor?

I think Anita sometimes does not feel right in the head either.

From what I have seen of this phony witch and her brood, she is the one with the feeling of entitlement and grandiosity and it was contagious.  Perhaps Joran just wanted to be a child and she had delusions of grandeur about how he was going to run the United Nations or something and enrolled him in all these multilingual classes and he just could not take her anymore.  I have always been told by people in the business of psychology and psychiatry that men who kill women subconsciously are killing their mothers, who for some reason, they despise.  You know, I could probably understand what happened to Joran but that does not excuse what he has done as an adult.  I do think the manipulative Anita is the one who coerced every item as it went forward and I think she treated the stupid Paulus like a puppet.  I think she was a secret fishwife.

[Ono]

Siento mal de la cabeza = I feel sick in the head. 

Well at least he's finally admitting that.

Love the sink, and I think when they panned to the floor beneath the sink, that little hole, is that his toilet?  Please say yes, because it looks easy to miss, since the hole is so small, which means he'll have to shove his own **** down in there.  Nothing gives me more pleasure.

After seeing his plumbing tools, I think he is going to need a pot on which to squat.

Lol- an old-fashioned 'slop jar' ...

[Brandi]

Do we have a picture of him yet sitting in his new "home" with a Snicker's bar in his hand and the caption "Not going anywhere for a while"? 

If not, we need one lol.

Not caught up yet, but someone sent me a post about this request, so here's my rendition in case no one has offered one yet:



A very large Snickers, since he will be there for a very long time.

[Tylergal]

I'm still behind but, like CBB, I think better as I type it out. LOL
So I've been trying to imagine the scenario after they get inside the room.
First off, I am leaning toward that she was not drugged (but that could change tomorrow).
Secondly I can't imagine Stephany leaving a casino to go play onine poker in a seedy hostel with some dude she met 2-3 days ago when she has no sexual intrest in him. I mean, she was just in a real casino. So I don't quite buy into that theory.
So the only one that makes sense at this time is that she loaned him money. Now she didn't have to loan it to him that night. We don't see it on the video so she could have lent it to him the night before and she's just now meeting back up with him and he's like "yeah I've got it in my room but sit down and play alittle first and then we'll go get it." It's also possible that we haven't seen all the tapes yet and that's why we dont see her loaning the money.
Ok, so she's going with him to get the money. They enter the room. It's 5am, she's only there to get the money and go home and go to bed. (Wasn't it said that she had already been out with her friends earlier and after leaving them she went to the casino? That could mean she only went to the casino to get her money from him, not to play. She did look alittle hesitant at the table, like she didn't want to sit down and play. But oh, what the hell, I guess I can play alittle) So they walk in, now she has no sexual intrest, and he knows he's not gonna pay her the money so he's stalling. He says oh have a seat, would you like a smoke (maybe weed) She prolly says I really should be going if you could just get the money.....and aftr his stalling tactics run out he hits her. I don't think they were in the room more than 10-15 minutes before he hits her.
Well, ok that's just what I'm thinking...subject to change lol!

I think somewhere along the lines with you but I do think before he out and out killed her, he did try to have some kind of sexual thingamathing with her, even if he tried to force her...whatever, Monica.

[Ono]

Media representative = Julia?  Who else would accompany Anita anywhere?

I can't think of many other possibilities.

.

Anna - what are you referring to?  Which post/link?  TIA

No particular post.  I am replying to San pointing out that Anita is supposed to be going to Peru and taking a media representative instead of a lawyer.  I am speculating (see my ? mark) who this could be, Anita's media representative.  That's my guess as to who might go with her if it is oddly enough a media representative instead of an attorney to help Joran. 

Even his own mother is more concerned with PR than helping Joran.

Van der Sloot jailed on first-degree murder charge
The Associated Press
Friday Jun. 11, 2010 6:44 PM ET

Reached by the AP, Altez refused to discuss the case. He said Van der Sloot's schoolteacher mother, Anita, would be arriving early next week with the family's own media adviser.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20100611/van-der-sloot-suspect-100611/

Oh Lordy..Anita never gives up..how in the world does she think she can spin this one..her son in jail..two murders mirroring each other 5 years apart to the day..and she brings her own media advisor?

I think Anita sometimes does not feel right in the head either.

From what I have seen of this phony witch and her brood, she is the one with the feeling of entitlement and grandiosity and it was contagious.  Perhaps Joran just wanted to be a child and she had delusions of grandeur about how he was going to run the United Nations or something and enrolled him in all these multilingual classes and he just could not take her anymore.  I have always been told by people in the business of psychology and psychiatry that men who kill women subconsciously are killing their mothers, who for some reason, they despise.  You know, I could probably understand what happened to Joran but that does not excuse what he has done as an adult.  I do think the manipulative Anita is the one who coerced every item as it went forward and I think she treated the stupid Paulus like a puppet.  I think she was a secret fishwife.

... I don't think it's a secret. lol

[klaasend]

Hello, Y'all!  Watch out for me; I'm officially bad now.  As y'all probably remember, earlier this week I said "Hot Damn" on this forum--and last night, I got sent to the heated exchange at the Refugees!  I think it's because I told Glenda not to wear her stolen tiara until she straightened up, or something like that...

OMG they sent you to the heated exhange?  hahaha

[Tylergal]

NEXT UP:








You are next up on my wist you two wascally wittle dushi bags!

LOL, Carpe.  They look like little scawed wabbits.

[Lifesong]

I'm still behind but, like CBB, I think better as I type it out. LOL
So I've been trying to imagine the scenario after they get inside the room.
First off, I am leaning toward that she was not drugged (but that could change tomorrow).
Secondly I can't imagine Stephany leaving a casino to go play onine poker in a seedy hostel with some dude she met 2-3 days ago when she has no sexual intrest in him. I mean, she was just in a real casino. So I don't quite buy into that theory.
So the only one that makes sense at this time is that she loaned him money. Now she didn't have to loan it to him that night. We don't see it on the video so she could have lent it to him the night before and she's just now meeting back up with him and he's like "yeah I've got it in my room but sit down and play alittle first and then we'll go get it." It's also possible that we haven't seen all the tapes yet and that's why we dont see her loaning the money.
Ok, so she's going with him to get the money. They enter the room. It's 5am, she's only there to get the money and go home and go to bed. (Wasn't it said that she had already been out with her friends earlier and after leaving them she went to the casino? That could mean she only went to the casino to get her money from him, not to play. She did look alittle hesitant at the table, like she didn't want to sit down and play. But oh, what the hell, I guess I can play alittle) So they walk in, now she has no sexual intrest, and he knows he's not gonna pay her the money so he's stalling. He says oh have a seat, would you like a smoke (maybe weed) She prolly says I really should be going if you could just get the money.....and aftr his stalling tactics run out he hits her. I don't think they were in the room more than 10-15 minutes before he hits her.
Well, ok that's just what I'm thinking...subject to change lol!

I think somewhere along the lines with you but I do think before he out and out killed her, he did try to have some kind of sexual thingamathing with her, even if he tried to force her...whatever, Monica.

I agree with both of you.  I also think he probably tried to use (or did use) Stephany's credit cards to play online poker after he had killed her. 

[Tylergal]

I am going to go clean my  bathroom sinks.  Not that they need it, but because I can!! 

 His sink is so disgusting?  Don't they at least pour bleach in it, or something?  Can you imagine the smell with the sink and the hole in the floor.   So gross!  Just what he deserves!

I was gratified when someone pointed out it doesn't have a faucet so no running water.

However, the rat and cockroach population must be totally insufficient if he slept on the floor.  I was hoping to see at least a couple scurrying about.

My guess on his claiming not to have eaten in two days is that his next ploy is going to be hunger strike or he will fake illness hoping to be taken to a hospital where he can escape.  I'd ignore him for about five days then force feed him with a tube.

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When are the pseudoseizures from his "delirium tremens" going to start, now that he cannot read about that malady on line.

[Ono]

Hello, Y'all!  Watch out for me; I'm officially bad now.  As y'all probably remember, earlier this week I said "Hot Damn" on this forum--and last night, I got sent to the heated exchange at the Refugees!  I think it's because I told Glenda not to wear her stolen tiara until she straightened up, or something like that...

What is that-the cloak room or the principal's office?