Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Northern Rose]

Joran also cheated Uri Geller by Bert houses and Kieran Bald

LIMA (Peru) - Joran van der Sloot has except for the Holloway family, also known
He says that the Peruvian police in a ten pages of explanation. This is owned by The Times today and read in full on Telegraaf.nl.

Van der Sloot claims therein that he received $ 10,000 from the program Geller. That amount would be paid to him for information on "fraud on the Internet. According to Joran, he received further from the American private detective John Kelly Quinsy $ 9000 for information on Holloway. Also he claimed at the casino in Aruba, another $ 6,000 won.

With these statements he wants, according to the confession, especially to make clear that the death of the 21-year-old Stephany Flores was certainly not a robbery. Van der Sloot speaks to him in bad need of money, as brought out earlier friends.

Successful entrepreneur

In his confession Joran van der Sloot claims that he is a successful entrepreneur in recent years would have been, including the sale of pizzas, sandwiches and coffee in Thailand. "Since I earn 20,000 euros per year. I do it since 2.5 years," he explained.

Van der Sloot also says that he tried to give voluntarily to the police in Chile. At a police station, however, he would be expelled.

Last weekend, Van der Sloot is very difficult in the Miguel Castro Castro prison. "He wants to think and be alone," says a guard. "He was depressed and scared. He is not even a breath of fresh air for fear that they murder him."

Van der Sloot did yesterday received none. Also brought food was not welcome. "He fears poisoning. He eats it with the guards." Van der Sloot is in an individual cell on an isolated wing of Castro Castro. He has a sink and a hole in the ground as a toilet. His neighbor is a Colombian assassin. His hope that he has information about Natalee Holloway could leave Peru, has now embarked on the ground. The Interior Minister is only to surrender when he thought his entire sentence is served.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6943992/__Joran_bedroog_ook_Uri_Geller__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

[Puzzler]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Discovered??  Not likely.  The timing is so suspicious.  In my opinion ... Aruban authorities have known where Natalee Holloway's remains have been for the passed 2 1/2 years.  It was Aruban divers who on January 7, 2008 recovered unchallenged the contents of the trap discovered by the Persistence endeavor in Aruban waters.

Thank you Lifesong.  Great Catch!!

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IF in our wildest dreams this is true...WOW...Joran will have lost his ace up his sleeve and will be in Castro Castro for the rest of his life!!!

Yep...Not discovered....Planted for recovery....

So sorry I got in the wrong place in the quote.

IF in our wildest dreams this is true...WOW...Joran will have lost his ace up his sleeve and will be in Castro Castro for the rest of his life!!!

[darleenofalabama]

Wow, if he's that afraid of everything, he must really have a guilty, guilty conscience.

[darleenofalabama]

Or a guilty whatever he has instead of a conscience.

[klaasend]

LOL, we have been so busy I totally forgot about the finger one I did, lol

[Port Valerie]

PortValerie, from what I've gathered over the past few days' posts (and certain pictures), that multiple murderer might have ambiguous genitalia; something usually decided one way or another and corrected shortly after birth, but evidently not in his case.

I presumed that picture was photoshopped. If not, there's something really wrong.

[Northern Rose]

Jayhootsen‎: @henrivanveen Er komt net een nieuw nieuwsfeitje binnen: moeder Van der Sloot geeft aan NIET naar Peru te kunnen komen #Joran
Twitter -

There is a new network within new Fact: Mother Van der Sloot indicates NOT to come to Peru to Joran #

[darleenofalabama]

OK, will someone refresh my memory; I can't recall that guy or his finger--is that a Shango thing? 

[texasmom]

No, Carpe, don't bring him here if the prison in Peru is as bad as it's being stated.  I mean, compared to what I'm reading about the Peru prison, Charles Manson's life is a cakewalk--much too good for that van der sloot.

I don`t either.

I was just pointing out the fact that Beth isn`t mean.

She wanted her dear daughter back. No more; no less.

She is all about the biness. ...and that would be her heart, Natalee.

You're right Carpe.  

[Lifesong]

TM - Funeral May 18

TM!!

So Zaandam dropped from a heart attack within a week of Joran's FBI-tapes extortion meeting with JQK?

Nice catch guys!  How interesting is that?

[Magnolia]

LOL, we have been so busy I totally forgot about the finger one I did, lol

It is my favorite.  I laughed so hard I woke Hudson.

[klaasend]

Jayhootsen‎: @henrivanveen Er komt net een nieuw nieuwsfeitje binnen: moeder Van der Sloot geeft aan NIET naar Peru te kunnen komen #Joran
Twitter -

There is a new network within new Fact: Mother Van der Sloot indicates NOT to come to Peru to Joran #

So the rumor now is that Joran not only fired his attorney his mother is not going to Peru?

[darleenofalabama]

I think you presume correctly, PortValerie, but I like maligning him.

[Port Valerie]

I think you presume correctly, PortValerie, but I like maligning him.

Well, dang.

[billb's daughter]

To clarify further, I believe Stephany's pants and shoes were removed by Joran in the failed rape attempt, and that he had nothing to gain by putting them back on Stephany's dead body.  

I actually agree with this.  I believe Joran's motives were rape/robbery and he got mad.  I also believe it's happened more that twice (Natalee & Stephany).

It's almost a certainty that he's raped before -- with Deepak and Satish as his original "partners in crime."  It's much more doubtful that anyone else has died as a consequence.  

I'm thinking Thailand

I agree with Thailand. It is a jungle there. There are young women who just "disappear" off the streets daily and no one ever asks why. The police don't bother to investigate because they just dismiss them as street girls. Even the ones from good families never find out what happened to their daughters/sons/relatives. It is not just girls there either, there is a large industry of male prostitutes who use young boys off the streets. Porn is rampant and snuff porn is the rule rather than the exception and that is what I believe JVS father was into. Most likely him too because of the way he described the way he killed Stephany. The whole killing may be on his computer videoed by his web cam.

I have always suspected they killed Natalie and taped the whole thing which was sent out over the internet afterward. If you remember there were hours of uploads after the time most suspect they had NH.

I'd like to think that with Natalee, as other victims, it started out as a routine (drugged/gang raped) video that "went bad' . urine/Guido, others) ended up beating Natalee to death and they kept the video rolling.....then put it out a a snuff porn video...Callous bastards....pimps watching but wouldn't step up to save Natalee....

[Ono]

Wouldn't it be something if Beth & Mr. Flores went together?!

No!

My prayer is that a time will come that Jug and Beth will get back together.  That time could come when there is a measure of closure that both will be afforded when Natalee comes home to rest on American soil.

Janet

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Comments:

168 .  JUG TWITTY on January 8th, 2007 9:27 am
 
I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT.REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH,MATT,AND NATALEE.I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM.I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERYNIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/

I'm sorry-I must have failed to make myself clear in my response to Carpe's remark---I meant wouldn't it be something if Mr. Flores & Beth went to the prison together to face Joran?;  I too, hope Beth & Jug get back together romantically as a couple.

lol

Ono ... I misunderstood.  Story of my life.  I thought you were match making.

My understanding was that Stephany's parents were together but ... the way I interpreted your post ...

Hey ... it's past my bedtime.

Good Night All

Janet
9:50 PM PT

Lol-That's alright!

[Northern Rose]

Jayhootsen‎: @henrivanveen Er komt net een nieuw nieuwsfeitje binnen: moeder Van der Sloot geeft aan NIET naar Peru te kunnen komen #Joran
Twitter -

There is a new network within new Fact: Mother Van der Sloot indicates NOT to come to Peru to Joran #

So the rumor now is that Joran not only fired his attorney his mother is not going to Peru?

Yup, and Uri Geller did not teach him the spoon bending

[klaasend]

Whoever photoshopped it then did a really good job.  I didn't think it was photoshopped.  I figured it was a birth deformity.

[darleenofalabama]

Well, it could be.  Ambiguous genitalia is a real deformity; the doctors and parents decide which way to fix it.

[Magnolia]

Whoever photoshopped it then did a really good job.  I didn't think it was photoshopped.  I figured it was a birth deformity.

It's not photoshopping!  It's like noses....some got big ones and some got little at all.
Joran got little at all.