Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Tylergal]

As much as I would like for you to be wrong, Edward, I so fear that this is going on behind the scenes and the reason Anita is being so docile and staying away is so she can say "Don't look at me.  I didn't go there.  The international community did this.....I had nothing to do with it although I know they are right....they are on the side of justice.  Peru and America, just two uncivilized colonies that the Dutch and Brits, respectively need to domesticate."

[Anna]

Anna - Sadly, I do not think that her body is recoverable.

I think Aruba might regret that now.
(We all do, but for a different reason.)

This is going to get a lot worse for Aruba before it's over.

You mean you think the remains are just gone, disintegrated or destroyed?  Could be but if they did not take steps to do this, then now they could give them back as they no longer have anything to lose by it being known that she died of trauma and not any seizure or overdose, etc.

Such double dealing people, you never know.  Someone may well have kept something just to use as leverage over another person.

[msmarple]

I don't think we need worry about another country swooping down on Peru and springing Joran. Peru HAS him, has the BEST case against him, the victim was a young Peruvian woman, and his prison accommodations are no worse (currently even better) than those of other prisoners in Peru.

After his trial, I *think* I read that he probably will be housed in a facility with some 170 +/- other Dutch prisoners in Peru. By then some of the notoriety will have died down. I would not be surprised if he spends 35 yrs to life there.

He is just Not All That. There is no reason for The Netherlands or Aruba to make any special requests on his behalf.

[IBE]

Joran vid supposed to be next. . . .the usual game from Greta.


Just wondering. . . anyone else ever thought that Aruba just might have Natalee's remains and have had them all along in their morgue in black body bag locked cooler?  I have absolutely no reason to think that but it is a thought that I have from time to time.  Van der straaten did say he had seen the evidence and not the files.

Odd thing to think but I just have that picture in my mind now and then.

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Me too!

[billb's daughter]

The monster at least should fake a little bit of remorse after killing Stephany few days ago!!! and now he is playing cards with another killer!!!! unbelievable, the police should keep them separate, both are dangerous.
I really would like to know if this monsters has nightmares.

I agree with you in frustration.. But he has no conscience and can't feel remorse.
ALL the Dutch just love him. You have never seen any Dutch citizens ever even get mad at him, no protests at all about him. No angry mobs. The dutch did get upset and protest when Mushrooms were made illegal and they did blame Americans because it happened..Sound familiar?..
They intend to get him out or a reduced sentence so he can get out to kill again.

The DUTCH are coming The DUTCH are coming... and nobody listens.

He will be free in just 12 years or so..Mark it on a calander.

If he lives through his sentence in Peruvian prison, the US will have him for extortion and wire fraud.....urine is toast...

[Anna]

After Joran's confession on Peter deVries aired, he couldn't even attend school in The Netherlands any longer.  He was given a break and he blew it.  No one is going to come to his rescue after that.

Both Bolivia and Peru, the Andean countries are very remote and not easily influenced.  With all those other Dutch prisoners, some are likely to have even more clout than Joran and yet they are still there some for very long sentences, too.

[akmom]

The monster at least should fake a little bit of remorse after killing Stephany few days ago!!! and now he is playing cards with another killer!!!! unbelievable, the police should keep them separate, both are dangerous.
I really would like to know if this monsters has nightmares.

I agree with you in frustration.. But he has no conscience and can't feel remorse.
ALL the Dutch just love him. You have never seen any Dutch citizens ever even get mad at him, no protests at all about him. No angry mobs. The dutch did get upset and protest when Mushrooms were made illegal and they did blame Americans because it happened..Sound familiar?..
They intend to get him out or a reduced sentence so he can get out to kill again.

The DUTCH are coming The DUTCH are coming... and nobody listens.

He will be free in just 12 years or so..Mark it on a calander.

If he lives through his sentence in Peruvian prison, the US will have him for extortion and wire fraud.....urine is toast...

I HONESTLY do not believe Joran will survive prison.  Too many people are angry over what he has done, too many could possibly benefit from taking him down.   what I fervently hope and pray is that we find Natalee before he dies.  Not that he is the only one who knows where she is, just that there will at least seem to be some justice in it all......

[msmarple]

Anna - Sadly, I do not think that her body is recoverable.

I think Aruba might regret that now.
(We all do, but for a different reason.)

This is going to get a lot worse for Aruba before it's over.

You mean you think the remains are just gone, disintegrated or destroyed?  Could be but if they did not take steps to do this, then now they could give them back as they no longer have anything to lose by it being known that she died of trauma and not any seizure or overdose, etc.

Such double dealing people, you never know.  Someone may well have kept something just to use as leverage over another person.

Okay, let's say there ARE remains - how they gonna 'splain where they've been, how they got found, how they were NOT found all this time, etc. etc. etc. (Because all of that leaves a forensic trail too.)

At best, I think Natalee was cremated and the ashes scattered at sea.

[Anna]

I don't think we need worry about another country swooping down on Peru and springing Joran. Peru HAS him, has the BEST case against him, the victim was a young Peruvian woman, and his prison accommodations are no worse (currently even better) than those of other prisoners in Peru.

After his trial, I *think* I read that he probably will be housed in a facility with some 170 +/- other Dutch prisoners in Peru. By then some of the notoriety will have died down. I would not be surprised if he spends 35 yrs to life there.

He is just Not All That. There is no reason for The Netherlands or Aruba to make any special requests on his behalf.

And it's too late.  This has gone too high profile.  Intervention would have to have been fast and early. 

[carpe noctem]

I want the Kalpoe`s heads.

I usually get what I want...

...because I have learned how to ask nicely.


Below - is why I want to add them to my collection.

[Bearlyhere]

I agree.....I see Paulus going under the bus.....he's the easy way out being he's dead.
Anita not leaving her house in Aruba is suspicious to me.(considering her son is in the prison for hell and charged with murder) Is she afraid her home will be dug up/searched if she's not there to guard it?
She's staying put for a reason, IMO.

That was my first thought when they said she was going - I have always thought that Natalie was buried someone on that compound and I felt sure she would NOT leave there since the FBI is all over the place right now. Particularly since she heard that Tim was coming back.

I don't guess any of the Arubans would simply allow the FBI,Dave,or Tim to go to the Sloot compound and start digging just because she wasn't there..If something like that was ever going to happen,I feel like she'd have to be there.

What about searching without breaking the surface of things?  If a search warrant was issued, I don't think you have to be home for it to be good.  If one was hiding a body, I think it would be foolish for them to leave the house open when there is so many American good guys on the island.

Also, I know that people believe that Paulus has dirt on people and that is why Joran got off, I also think Anita had a big part in it.  She is well-known on the island, she taught many of the kids there, and she has the biggest meanest mouth going. 

I think she intimidates people into doing things her way.  Anita was a real eye opener for me.  It shocked me that there could be a human being so vile in speaking about the victim of a crime.  I just didn't know there were people like that.  Every new rock that is turned over exposes more slugs.  You just cannot make these things up.

I think Anita and the Kalpoes are a little worried about a raid at this point.

They lay awake at night counting their ceiling tiles. lol

Yes, both kinds of raid:

1. Where LE come into your house and check for signs of illegal activity.

2. A spray can of insecticide that works well on cock-a-roaches.

[IBE]

another thing that always bothers me about all this crap in aruba is that there has never been much talk from any girls  that are the thugs age,, oh sure a few bits now and then but not much. certainly some of the girls jorans age must have at least heard about this garbage of drugging and raping the tourists, probably even victims themselves

its just plain sickening

Hi ROBOTS!

So long ago, but I thought there were some girls that were going to snitch on Joran and the PIMP activities but somehow told not to... maybe by attorneys or ??

[msmarple]

Y'all aren't saying that ALE would rush in like cowboys, are you?

(Actually, might for 2K. Not Anita.)

[Tylergal]

If as you and others believe, there are people in Aruba who know where Natalee's remains are, (which I like Ms. Marples, believe there are no remains to be found) BUT BUT BUT if there are and someone else knows, then it is in the best interests of Aruba for Joran to die, and then the body can be turned over and there is no Joran to tell his layers of tales of corruption that we already know exist, but with him out of the way, they can pretend "wooops, she just turned up, must have been out there at Happy Hour at Carlos & Charlie's."  On to get another box of Frosted Flakes as soon as you take her and go.

[Anna]

Well, at least we know why Natalee's remains couldn't be returned at once and it is exactly why we thought they couldn't.  They would show trauma.  But for them to be really gone, there sure has been a lot of talk of returning them and where they might be, etc.

I understand why Joran does this, mostly for money and to torture Beth.  But it's just odd that five years later and the talk is still there even among aruban officials.

Apparently, Ariba will not even be given access to Joran any time soon, maybe until his trial and sentencing. 

So I guess I don't understand why Dave and Tim Miller are in Aruba now unless it is that same old map from Jaap which I believe is very old now.  Just don't understand what Aruba is doing in all this.

.

[Bearlyhere]

Bearly - Excellent!

The whole FBI thing just soooo plays into Aruba's hands.

I was reading comments at el Comecerio earlier. They are very proud of being smarter/better than Aruba and the FBI. (Good for them.)

If he did not get the money to go to Peru, he would have murdered someone on Aruba for it.  One day he was going to run out of money or people to give it to him, he was cut off from the family finally, and had to go get it elsewhere.  Not wanting to work, he was destined for a life of crime.

Also, going by the same mentality that blames the FBI, if Anita did not cut him off, he would not have had any reason to murder Stephany for her money.

How many people are we going to blame before we get to the perp himself--Joran and those who let him get away with his terroristic behavior he has had since childhood.

[msmarple]

another thing that always bothers me about all this crap in aruba is that there has never been much talk from any girls  that are the thugs age,, oh sure a few bits now and then but not much. certainly some of the girls jorans age must have at least heard about this garbage of drugging and raping the tourists, probably even victims themselves

its just plain sickening

Hi ROBOTS!

So long ago, but I thought there were some girls that were going to snitch on Joran and the PIMP activities but somehow told not to... maybe by attorneys or ??

Back when I trolled for corpses on Aruba (the thankless task that texasmom has taken on with a vengence) I posted a story about a local girl who was gang raped at school. The event was recorded with a cell phone I think, and put out on the internet.

The boys were not punished.
The girl's family sent her to relatives on another island.

[Tylergal]

Anna - Sadly, I do not think that her body is recoverable.

I think Aruba might regret that now.
(We all do, but for a different reason.)

This is going to get a lot worse for Aruba before it's over.

You mean you think the remains are just gone, disintegrated or destroyed?  Could be but if they did not take steps to do this, then now they could give them back as they no longer have anything to lose by it being known that she died of trauma and not any seizure or overdose, etc.

Such double dealing people, you never know.  Someone may well have kept something just to use as leverage over another person.

Okay, let's say there ARE remains - how they gonna 'splain where they've been, how they got found, how they were NOT found all this time, etc. etc. etc. (Because all of that leaves a forensic trail too.)

At best, I think Natalee was cremated and the ashes scattered at sea.

The man whose SO was accused of decapitating him, who worked at the incinerator...did we not sort of suspect he had done the deed, and his death took place somewhere in the time frame of the security guards being released, Joran admitting he killed Natalee, which confession he withdrew (he is so infamous for that), but is it not entirely possible this is the case.  If there is anything of Natalee remaining, I suspect somewhere in Anita's home is an Alabama driver's license with a picture of  16-year-old, which has now expired.

[IBE]

So many times in the past I have gone from thinking one place to another, but I still think they should look under the fountain in the corner of the pool.

If the house ever goes up for sale (I doubt if it does in my lifetime), the "white hats" should buy it and dig up the whole pool and use CIS tools on the home IMO

Remember when the Dutch searched outside the fence. So much cover up for such a small island.

[Bearlyhere]

I am the number 4. I come after 3.
If you see number 5, you`ve gone one too far,
please go back exactly one space!

I think they kept #4 pretty much, if not all the way, out of it.  He is no rocket scientist and would have inadvertently spilled the beans, moo.