Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Bearlyhere]

Much!

She sure was a pretty little thing. The light started on the inside and radiated its way out.

G`night Bearly.

Nite Carpo!

[Bearlyhere]

G'night all

Night, Shell!

[Bearlyhere]

Please keep Natalee's candles lit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

[Bearlyhere]

Is everyone all tucked in now?

[Nut44x4]

My wish would be to have sophisticated ground-penetrating radar go over every inch of the exterior grounds-and then luminol the home & Joran's quarters' interiors.   And, is there a hidden room somewhere inside that house? 

ITA ... should have been done from day one!!! Don't let Sebastian find the luminol....he'd probably drink it to see if he'd glow, then make a video to post online

[San]

Van Der Sloot Timeline: The Key to His Alleged Peru Murder Motive?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594744,00.html

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2010. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Right now "On the Record" is going to take you deep inside the Van der Sloot murder case because you are going to the place where [Stephany] Flores the last hours of her life. We went to Peru where GRN Correspondent Dan Collyns went "On the Record."

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: OK Dan, obviously we are outside the Atlantic City casino where Joran played poker with Stephany Flores. Before we get to that, May 13th, he has the sting operation in Aruba. May 14th, he leaves Aruba headed for this city. And he arrives probably about that time, because I think he went through Colombia.

When does he meet up with Stephany Flores, do we know that?

DAN COLLYNS, GRN CORRESPONDENT: According to the police accounts, he met her a few days before the murder took place. Apparently it was the 27th of May. The murder happened on the 30th of May, a few days before.

The police believe he had been watching her, observing her, and that's why they think the motivation had to do with robbing her, which is why they think there was a degree of premeditation in this murder.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do we have any information on whether she intended to meet Joran van der Sloot or whether it was accidental that night?

COLLYNS: There's no information about whether she intended to meet him or not. I tend to believe it was accidental. She came alone. He was alone. Most people were avid poker players. It was something that she wasn't doing with her friends. It was something she did by herself, which suggests it was some kind of habit she had.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she make money or not? He was not a big winner, was she a big winner?

COLLYNS: Yes. We hear Joran was not a big winner. And it does appear that she may have been a good poker player. A week before, according to the police she won on the 24th of May, a week before, around $10,000 in a poker game. And there are other records that she won lesser amounts of money, but certainly she was winning money.

And police believe that may have been something that Joran van der Sloot observed, which is why he befriended her and was interested in, according to the police, perhaps robbing her.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did anyone see anything unusual at the casino between the two, in an argument or laughing, or anything besides what we've seen on videotape?

COLLYNS: There's one theory is the two were kind of playing together, and Joran van der Sloot was helping Stephany in the game. And he ended up losing some money. And the idea they would go back to the hotel room to share out some of the money she won. It was kind of a partnership in a poker game.

VAN SUSTEREN: Dan, this room is in the hotel where Stephany Flores was murdered and Joran rented a room. This is not the room, but it's similar. What struck me about is I wondered why didn't anybody hear her getting beaten to death? It feels like a tomb in here.

COLLYNS: Very solid, concrete.

VAN SUSTEREN: I've been in a lot of cheap hotels, but never one that feels like a tomb. Usually it has cardboard walls.

COLLYNS: Absolutely. These are very thick walls and the tile as well. The sound wouldn't escape very easily.

VAN SUSTEREN: What time did they come into this room?

COLLYNS: According to the timeline, just about 5:20. They left the casino 10 minutes before, it's very close by. At 8:35 is when Joran van der Sloot left the room alone with two empty coffee cups.

VAN SUSTEREN: Leaves with two empties?

COLLYNS: He comes out with two empty coffee cups. The surveillance video, there's a camera located right above the doorway. He was filmed clearly leaving with two empty coffee cups.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where did they come from? Is there video of him leaving and getting coffee?

COLLYNS: He claims he left to buy coffee, but he came back with the same empty coffee cups. Police say this was after the murder happened. The theory originally was he went to buy coffee, according to what he said, and returned to the room to find Stephany using his computer, and that's when the argument and the fight ensued.

And of course, that resulted in her murder. It appears that was a lie.

VAN SUSTEREN: Not only is it a lie, it is elaborate. It has been his motivation, and he has told us multiple stories. He has these elaborate stories on what happened to Natalee Holloway, and now this elaborate story.

He's caught on video going in with her and leaving alone. So he's pretty much done himself in that way, but he comes up with these elaborate stories.

COLLYNS: It seems he's looking for some kind of alibi. It was clearly a weak alibi as it turned out. As it turned out, he's pretending he's again to buy coffee and locked out of his own hotel room. It is hard to wonder what was going through his mind at the time but clearly from the outset looking for some kind of alibi trying to think of a way out of this situation he has found himself in.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

[San]

My wish would be to have sophisticated ground-penetrating radar go over every inch of the exterior grounds-and then luminol the home & Joran's quarters' interiors.   And, is there a hidden room somewhere inside that house? 

ITA ... should have been done from day one!!! Don't let Sebastian find the luminol....he'd probably drink it to see if he'd glow, then make a video to post online

lol...We all know where that kid is headed.

[Nut44x4]

Expert: US Could Charge van der Sloot With Holloway's Murder

Contributor, David Lohr

(June 14) -- Joran van der Sloot, the young Dutchman charged in the killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman, could be indicted by U.S. authorities for the murder of Natalee Holloway, a legal expert tells AOL News.

"In this particular case with van der Sloot, if the Arubans won't do anything with this guy, the U.S. could conceivably -- once he is released in Peru -- extradite him back to the states and prosecute him for Holloway's murder," says Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel.

Griffith also thinks the U.S. could leverage that threat to get the 22-year-old Dutch native to reveal the location of Holloway's body.

A legal expert says the U.S. could indict Joran van der Sloot for the murder of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, here in an undated family photo, if Aruban authorities don't do anything with the case.

Van der Sloot was arrested earlier this month in the slaying of Stephany Flores. She was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru, hotel room on June 2, setting off a police manhunt that ended with his arrest in Chile the following day. Van der Sloot is equally infamous for his longtime association with the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old Alabama woman who vanished on a trip to Aruba in 2005.

Holloway was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot. Her body has never been found. There are reports of van der Sloot making multiple confessions in the case.

According to Griffith, the passive personality principle of international law allows a country to prosecute someone who has killed or injured an American citizen in a foreign country. In essence, jurisdiction is based on the nationality of the victim and not the location of the crime.

"One example of that would be the Leon Klinghoffer case," Griffith said.

In 1985, Klinghoffer, 69, and his wife were celebrating their 36th wedding anniversary on the cruise ship Achille Lauro. Palestinian terrorists hijacked the liner, and Klinghoffer was murdered and thrown overboard. The hijackers were later given safe passage on a flight to Tunisia, but the U.S. Air Force intercepted the plane and forced it to land in Italy, where the suspects were taken into custody.

"The U.S. has secondary jurisdiction over van der Sloot because of the extortion case," Griffith explains. "Because of that, and statements he allegedly made on video, the U.S. now has reasonable cause to believe, I would ascertain, that he's responsible for the Holloway killing."

On June 3, federal authorities in Alabama charged van der Sloot with extortion in connection with the disappearance of Holloway. Officials say van der Sloot offered to provide information on Holloway's disappearance in exchange for $250,000. An intermediary acting under the FBI's direction met with van der Sloot at a hotel in Aruba and allegedly gave him a partial payment of $10,000 in cash. An additional $15,000 was wired to van der Sloot via a financial institution in the Netherlands, U.S. authorities say.

Upon receiving the initial payment, van der Sloot allegedly spoke about Holloway's case -- discussions that were secretly recorded by the FBI -- and pointed out a location where her body could be found. Authorities later discovered Holloway's remains were not there.

Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005.

2 Cases, 1 Suspect
Police in Peru say Joran van der Sloot confessed to the May 30 killing of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room. Van der Sloot has long been a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in 2005.

However, Griffith said van der Sloot's alleged statements, along with his previous confessions in the case, are enough for U.S. authorities to make a circumstantial murder case against him.

"Now is the time for the U.S., which has Department of Justice offices in Peru, to have a three-way meeting with officials there and van der Sloot," Griffith said. "This could be done now. Van der Sloot has already said he knows where [Holloway] is."

Van der Sloot faces 15 to 35 years in prison if he is convicted of the murder charge in Peru. He would be required to serve only a third of that time. After that, he would face a possible five- to 10-year sentence on the extortion charges. All totaled, he could conceivably serve less than 20 years in jail.

However, if convicted in the U.S. for Holloway's murder, he could face life in prison -- something that Griffith said gives U.S. officials the edge right now.

"The Holloways need to at least find their daughter," Griffith said. "They don't want to wait 10 years till he gets parole and is extradited. The Peruvian authorities have no jurisdiction for the murder of Holloway, but we do because he allegedly killed an American citizen.

"Make the deal right now," Griffith continued. "Tell him, 'We have enough on you circumstantially already, but by the time you get out we'll have a lot more, and you'll never see the light of day again. If you know where the body is, tell us now, and we won't extradite you on a murder charge.'"

Whether authorities in the U.S. will invoke the passive personality principle is yet to be decided. However, Holloway's family is apparently anxious for answers. The Associated Press reported Monday that Holloway's father, Dave Holloway, is in Aruba and plans to meet with prosecutors today to see if they have received any new information about his daughter's disappearance.

Meanwhile, van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez Navarro, has withdrawn from the case. According to The Daily Beast, Navarro did not believe his client's family could afford to pay for his services. Additionally, he was troubled by threats he has been receiving since taking on the case.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/legal-expert-us-could-charge-joran-van-der-sloot-with-holloways-murder/19515801

[San]

Van Der Sloot Timeline: The Key to His Alleged Peru Murder Motive?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,594744,00.html

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

{EDITED FOR LENGTH}

VAN SUSTEREN: Dan, this room is in the hotel where Stephany Flores was murdered and Joran rented a room. This is not the room, but it's similar. What struck me about is I wondered why didn't anybody hear her getting beaten to death? It feels like a tomb in here.

COLLYNS: Very solid, concrete.

VAN SUSTEREN: I've been in a lot of cheap hotels, but never one that feels like a tomb. Usually it has cardboard walls.

COLLYNS: Absolutely. These are very thick walls and the tile as well. The sound wouldn't escape very easily.

When they went in the room they said the TV was blasting.  So with the thick walls and the TV blasting and the time of the murder I don't think people would have heard him beating Stephany.  Joran hit her first.  After he hit her did she covered up and put her hands to her face and head.  She didn't have time to scream in my opinion.

[San]

I'm off to work and I'm sure by the time I come home the thread will be locked and I will be pages behind....LOL  It's a shame I start my day in this thread and end it in the same thread.  We shouldn't have to be here if Aruba would have only did the right thing five years ago.

Have a good day.

[nonesuche]

You have a good day too San !!

Sigh, this just out from NL radio..........guess we'll see if it's true by end of day.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/english/article/joran%E2%80%99s-lawyer-decides-stay

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, has decided he will continue to defend his client. Earlier he announced he was quitting because of “numerous family problems”, but Radio Netherlands Worldwide has learned that he has now decided to go ahead regardless. He has, however, moved to a secret location since the windows of his office were smashed.

A prominent Peruvian lawyer has informed RNW that Joran’s mother wants the trial moved to the Netherlands. He says this is theoretically possible in legal terms, but only if the Peruvian authorities agree and that seems unlikely.
 
Mass Hysteria
The lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, is concerned that Joran van der Sloot will not receive a fair trial since the intensive media coverage in Peru has generated mass hysteria and irreversibly painted a portrait of the Dutchman as a cold, heartless killer. He says what he needs is not so much a lawyer as a medical team made up of psychiatrists and psychologists.
 

The Dutch embassy in Lima is also worried about the situation and the treatment of the accused.
 
Premeditated Murder
Last month Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. Mr Altez claims the statement was extracted in an illegal manner.
 
The victim’s family is calling for a life sentence and assuming the motive for the murder was robbery. The charge at present is “premeditated murder”, which in Peru carries a maxium sentence of 35 years. Joran van der Sloot claims he killed Stephany Flores in a fit of rage.

[Jo-An]

You have a good day too San !!

Sigh, this just out from NL radio..........guess we'll see if it's true by end of day.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/english/article/joran%E2%80%99s-lawyer-decides-stay

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, has decided he will continue to defend his client. Earlier he announced he was quitting because of “numerous family problems”, but Radio Netherlands Worldwide has learned that he has now decided to go ahead regardless. He has, however, moved to a secret location since the windows of his office were smashed.

A prominent Peruvian lawyer has informed RNW that Joran’s mother wants the trial moved to the Netherlands. He says this is theoretically possible in legal terms, but only if the Peruvian authorities agree and that seems unlikely.
 
Mass Hysteria
The lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, is concerned that Joran van der Sloot will not receive a fair trial since the intensive media coverage in Peru has generated mass hysteria and irreversibly painted a portrait of the Dutchman as a cold, heartless killer. He says what he needs is not so much a lawyer as a medical team made up of psychiatrists and psychologists.
 

The Dutch embassy in Lima is also worried about the situation and the treatment of the accused.
 
Premeditated Murder
Last month Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. Mr Altez claims the statement was extracted in an illegal manner.
 
The victim’s family is calling for a life sentence and assuming the motive for the murder was robbery. The charge at present is “premeditated murder”, which in Peru carries a maxium sentence of 35 years. Joran van der Sloot claims he killed Stephany Flores in a fit of rage.

Yes, I posted this yesterday but I haven't been able to find any other information on other sites that indeed his lawyer is staying on the case.

[nonesuche]

You have a good day too San !!

Sigh, this just out from NL radio..........guess we'll see if it's true by end of day.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/english/article/joran%E2%80%99s-lawyer-decides-stay

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, has decided he will continue to defend his client. Earlier he announced he was quitting because of “numerous family problems”, but Radio Netherlands Worldwide has learned that he has now decided to go ahead regardless. He has, however, moved to a secret location since the windows of his office were smashed.

A prominent Peruvian lawyer has informed RNW that Joran’s mother wants the trial moved to the Netherlands. He says this is theoretically possible in legal terms, but only if the Peruvian authorities agree and that seems unlikely.
 
Mass Hysteria
The lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, is concerned that Joran van der Sloot will not receive a fair trial since the intensive media coverage in Peru has generated mass hysteria and irreversibly painted a portrait of the Dutchman as a cold, heartless killer. He says what he needs is not so much a lawyer as a medical team made up of psychiatrists and psychologists.
 

The Dutch embassy in Lima is also worried about the situation and the treatment of the accused.
 
Premeditated Murder
Last month Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. Mr Altez claims the statement was extracted in an illegal manner.
 
The victim’s family is calling for a life sentence and assuming the motive for the murder was robbery. The charge at present is “premeditated murder”, which in Peru carries a maxium sentence of 35 years. Joran van der Sloot claims he killed Stephany Flores in a fit of rage.

Yes, I posted this yesterday but I haven't been able to find any other information on other sites that indeed his lawyer is staying on the case.

Oops I guess I missed it then, sorry for the repost.

http://tinyurl.com/2bo4sql

This is an article from  the Dothan AL paper but with some additional information on the risks at Castro Castro the prison.

Life in Peru prison will be no stay at the Ritz for aloof Dutchman Joran van der Sloot

If Joran van der Sloot serves time in a Peru prison, he will find himself in an environment where he will be fighting for his life every day.

AOLNews.com reporter David Lohr gave an excellent scouting report on the culture and living conditions within Peru's many raunchy prisons, and he was able to get Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel to discuss the prison culture in Peru.

Van der Sloot was reported upon capture to be heading to the notorious Lurigancho Prison, considered among the world's worst facilities.

Instead, officials have put him in Miguel Castro Castro, a maximum-security prison on the outskirts of Lima.

But his stay at Miguel Castro Castro won't have the feel of the Ritz.

"It's not any better than Lurigancho," Griffith told AOLNews.com. "It's pretty much the same conditions. The prisoners run the prison, and the guards are an afterthought."

Van der Sloot was arrested and charged this month for strangulation death of Stefany Flores, a 21-year-old Lima college student and daughter of a powerful, nationally known race-car driver and businessman.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, remains the only suspect in the disappearance five years ago of 18-year-old Alabama teen Natalee Holloway who vanished on May 30, 2005. She is presumed dead after a night of drinking and partying with friends and classmates who went on a graduation celebration trip to Aruba. She was last seen alive in public in the company of van der Sloot.

Aruban officials have twice arrested van der Sloot, but have failed to charge him in the murder of Holloway.

Flores was killed five years to the day after Holloway went missing. She was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima, Peru, hotel room on June 2, setting off a police manhunt that ended with his arrest in Chile the following day. It was presumed she was dead for three days before officials found her body beaten, her nose broken and wrapped in a blanket on the hotel floor.

For now, van der Sloot is being held in his own cell at Miguel Castro Castro, not far from the prison director's office. If he is convicted of the murder charge, he faces 15 to 35 years in prison. Most of that time, Griffith said, likely would be spent in the "tourist section," where inmates from foreign countries are held.

"They try to keep the tourist section cordoned off so other prisoners can't get in, but during the course of your stay, you'll have to leave your dormitory and interact with other inmates," Griffith told AOLNews.com. "You're going to have to go to the administration center, you're going to have guys coming in who shine shoes, bring drugs into a section, come in to prepare food, etc. Any one of these guys, for a $100 bill, will slit your throat. The prisoners would be lining up for the opportunity."

Griffith also pointed to other conditions at the prison, which he says make it anything but a paradise, as some news reports are suggesting.

"Approximately 500 inmates, including 135 women, have brought lawsuits against the guards in that prison for physically abusing them," Griffith told AOLNews.com. "Recently, a new warden took over. He was murdered the first day on the job. So this is what we're dealing with. If they got to the warden the first day, can you imagine what could happen to van der Sloot? It's insane."

Griffith has counseled and represented clients in more than 40 countries on a variety of charges, according to AOLNews.com.

If this is sounding familiar, Griffith's most renowned case, involving American Billy Hayes' incarceration and escape from a Turkish prison. It was the basis for the film and book "Midnight Express."

Prisons in Peru rank among the "worst of the worst," said Griffith, who has visited more than two dozen foreign prisons.

"Peru is in a world of its own, but it's certainly not the only country with issues," Griffith added.

[Jo-An]

You have a good day too San !!

Sigh, this just out from NL radio..........guess we'll see if it's true by end of day.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/english/article/joran%E2%80%99s-lawyer-decides-stay

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, has decided he will continue to defend his client. Earlier he announced he was quitting because of “numerous family problems”, but Radio Netherlands Worldwide has learned that he has now decided to go ahead regardless. He has, however, moved to a secret location since the windows of his office were smashed.

A prominent Peruvian lawyer has informed RNW that Joran’s mother wants the trial moved to the Netherlands. He says this is theoretically possible in legal terms, but only if the Peruvian authorities agree and that seems unlikely.
 
Mass Hysteria
The lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, is concerned that Joran van der Sloot will not receive a fair trial since the intensive media coverage in Peru has generated mass hysteria and irreversibly painted a portrait of the Dutchman as a cold, heartless killer. He says what he needs is not so much a lawyer as a medical team made up of psychiatrists and psychologists.
 

The Dutch embassy in Lima is also worried about the situation and the treatment of the accused.
 
Premeditated Murder
Last month Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. Mr Altez claims the statement was extracted in an illegal manner.
 
The victim’s family is calling for a life sentence and assuming the motive for the murder was robbery. The charge at present is “premeditated murder”, which in Peru carries a maxium sentence of 35 years. Joran van der Sloot claims he killed Stephany Flores in a fit of rage.

Yes, I posted this yesterday but I haven't been able to find any other information on other sites that indeed his lawyer is staying on the case.

Oops I guess I missed it then, sorry for the repost.

No need to say sorry! It's hard to keep up here sometimes.
All I meant to say is that there's only one source for this news and hardly any other newssite or network has picked up on this, so whether it is true or not... don't know.
But they mention that they talked to mommy vd Sloot so a grain of salt is in order here!

[blah]

I don't know if this site is accurate but this is what it says about Aruban law.  Keep in mind that they will never charge Joran with murder in Aruba...just isn't going to happen.  Involuntary manslaughter maybe.

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    * There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    * There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    * There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

Aruban law is an oxymoron

[BUCKSHOT]

I don't know if this site is accurate but this is what it says about Aruban law.  Keep in mind that they will never charge Joran with murder in Aruba...just isn't going to happen.  Involuntary manslaughter maybe.

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    * There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    * There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    * There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

Aruban law is an oxymoron

Not if you have Arlene Schippers around to help you...

[Tylergal]

You have a good day too San !!

Sigh, this just out from NL radio..........guess we'll see if it's true by end of day.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/english/article/joran%E2%80%99s-lawyer-decides-stay

Joran van der Sloot’s lawyer, Máximo Altez, has decided he will continue to defend his client. Earlier he announced he was quitting because of “numerous family problems”, but Radio Netherlands Worldwide has learned that he has now decided to go ahead regardless. He has, however, moved to a secret location since the windows of his office were smashed.

A prominent Peruvian lawyer has informed RNW that Joran’s mother wants the trial moved to the Netherlands. He says this is theoretically possible in legal terms, but only if the Peruvian authorities agree and that seems unlikely.
 
Mass Hysteria
The lawyer, who wished to remain anonymous, is concerned that Joran van der Sloot will not receive a fair trial since the intensive media coverage in Peru has generated mass hysteria and irreversibly painted a portrait of the Dutchman as a cold, heartless killer. He says what he needs is not so much a lawyer as a medical team made up of psychiatrists and psychologists.
 

The Dutch embassy in Lima is also worried about the situation and the treatment of the accused.
 
Premeditated Murder
Last month Joran van der Sloot confessed to murdering 21-year Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. Mr Altez claims the statement was extracted in an illegal manner.
 
The victim’s family is calling for a life sentence and assuming the motive for the murder was robbery. The charge at present is “premeditated murder”, which in Peru carries a maxium sentence of 35 years. Joran van der Sloot claims he killed Stephany Flores in a fit of rage.

Good morning, Pretty Lady, you are up and at 'em early today.   

Gee.  This sounds like what I was predicting before I went to bed a few hours ago.  Hmmm.  Maybe I am psychic.  LOL

[Tylergal]

I don't know if this site is accurate but this is what it says about Aruban law.  Keep in mind that they will never charge Joran with murder in Aruba...just isn't going to happen.  Involuntary manslaughter maybe.

http://www.curacao-law.com/2007/11/26/aruba-criminal-law/

According to the Aruba Penal Code (Article 72) with respect to adults (18 years and older):

    * There is a 6 year statute of limitations on crimes with a maximum term of imprisonment of 3 years (involuntary manslaughter: max. 9 months imprisonment)
    * There is a 12 year statute of limitations on crimes with a term of imprisonment of at least 3 years (voluntary manslaughter: max. 15 years and murder: max. 20 years imprisonment)
    * There is a 18 year statute of limitations on crimes which result in a life sentence (e.g. murder committed by terrorists / kidnapping resulting in the death of the kidnapped person / killing someone to hide a crime: life sentence)

Aruban law is an oxymoron

Absolutely but then it's probably not really, it's just because we "stupid" Americans don't understand their system.  Have a great day, Blah. 

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

God bless and comfort
the Holloway and Flores families.

[EURobert]

Peru, Castro Castro Penitentiary, june 2011



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