Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Jo-An]

And this is really WEIRD!!!
They showed part of this interview that Greta van Susteren did with JVDS´s attorney

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4239552/inside-jorans-prison

BUT SBS says it´s the director of Castro Castro!!!

[Tylergal]

Lifesong,
You are correct that Joran was Melody's first boyfriend but he had girlfriends before.  Remember the one who was only 12 or so and her parents put a stop to his attention to her?

I also believe he had been to the US to visit one before all this happened?  He spent time in their home here.  Have to wonder what those parents are thinking of all this now.

Looks as though we are going to be treated to a long litany of everybody who ever knew Joran so they can all get their 15 minutes of fame and the most important part, CHECK!

I think Melody married poor and the marriage did not work out.  She has a baby and wants 15 minutes plus some jingle in her pocket.  Her father is the contractor who supposedly knows all the going's on along with that despicable Mark (FOR).

[Spock]

Police denies pressure on Van der Sloot to confess crime
An American blog Fow News Agency said that police pressure, stamped signature Netherlands false confession

The head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, said yesterday that the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (22), accused of the crime of Stephany Ramirez Flores, was never pressured to sign a confession.

"The seven steps taken by the murder were made in the presence of a prosecutor, defense attorney and translator Netherlands citizen appointed by the Netherlands Embassy in Peru," said Canlla.

An American blog, the website of Fox News agency, said that Joran had a signature different from his passport in his confession under pressure from the Peruvian police. "There was no pressure or false signature. It acted in accordance with the law and respect the rights of Joran, referred Canlla.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/495921/policia-desmiente-presiones-van-der-sloot-que-confiese-crimen

In Aruba, interogations were limited in duration and by day of the week. One of jorans aruban confessions was thrown out because it occurred outside the allowed hours. In Peru, they kept him up 24+ hours for questioning and used sleep deprivation. He cracked.

[Tylergal]

Anna
I also believe he had been to the US to visit one before all this happened?

I have a friend in San Jose California who says she had not only had seen Joran but confronted him in San Jose California..

She was also on Aruba 6 days after Natalee disappeared and was part in Early searches and had seen Joran Deepak and Satish at various times.

So I have always considered her information legit. She said he had 2 males with him which appeared to her to be body guards.

She has a missing brother.. He went missing in Hawaii "her home state" in 2004  and he has never been found and she wrote a book and developed a web site to help find him. Her name is Janey and her brothers name is Gilbert
www.findgilbert.com

I have asked her many times about Joran in California and she has never wavered and her other half "one of my best friends " says he was witness to her desire to kick Jorans butt then and there that night..
lol.. She is wild enough to have done it.. Wish she would have.

Hi Anna, hi Edward.  I believe the girl he spent the summer with in the USA was from Connecticut. Her mother was probably BFF with Julia Renfro.  I saw her on TV vouching for Joran and halfway through I had to leave secondary to retching and heaving.

[Tylergal]

I'm hoping someone will answer, if possible.  Something that I have always wondered about.

During the early stages, there was something that I read, I kept thinking it was just a rumor, but I've never been sure.

It was said that Natalee shared a cellphone with a few other friends while in Aruba, and that she called another friend from that cellphone, while she was with Joran.  It was said that the friend who received the call could hear birds in the background.

Was this rumor?

Jill - in the beginning there was discussion about this phone call.  I'm not sure the final outcome of this one so I'll leave it to others to reply.  I have never heard about it being from a shared phone though and the version I heard was maybe monkey sounds or wind from a car driving.

There were several "reported" instances of calls, none of which seemed to hold up.  The one that I put the most faith in was when Jug said a call was received at their home phone but he did not awaken in time to get the call because the phone was downstairs.  Beth later denied that took place, but it was said to have been a compelling phone call.  I remember the bird story phone call but I think that was speculating.

[Tylergal]

The phone call... or calls

The first one to the student intercepted by Charles Croes...
Not one person ever identified that phone number and who it belonged too.
wether that be an Aruban Phone or an Alabama phone number.

Then there is the broke phone found by the lighthouse..

Also there were words.. "are you trying to call home"
Although none of US have ever herd the call and the only ones who did have not said much and that is disturbing as info from the beginning is the most crucial to investigating.

That is the one I recall, Edward and it was discussed briefly by Jug on one of the TV programs, I think with Sean Hannity.

[msmarple]

"are you trying to call home" and "who are these people" were the rumored phrases on the "bird" call. But there were no human voices.

I personally don't remember an unanswered call to the Twitty home.

Tyler - Do you remember whether "William" (recipient of the "bird" call) was on the trip? I know that's the original story, but I think it was later learned that William, who WAS a friend of Natalee's, did not go on the trip. I just don't remember off hand.

(Jeez, it's been 3 years since I've been in a discussion about the phone call.)

[Jo-An]

SBS - Joran special - part 2

The casino
They're showing the security video of Joran and Stephany and reading parts of his confession.

The hotel
Showing the security video of the hotel and again reading parts of his confession.
Reporter says his confession might not be very credible because of Joran's pathological lying behaviour.
He might have made stuff up to get a lower sentence.
Peter de Vries: Joran had time to think, came to his senses and decided to continue killing Stephany.

Fleeing to Chile
They're telling the story of the taxi drivers and again reading from his confession.

The murder
Peter says again that he doesn't believe Joran's whole confession.
For instance that Stephany punched him first. Peter thinks Joran started hitting Stephany first.
Peter says he thinks Joran killed her for her money. He thinks that is the truth.

So far no new shocking info...

*commercial break*

[can]

thanks Jo-An

[Tylergal]

O/T - Darla is out of surgery and doing well. Will hopefully be home tomorrow!!

Good to hear Darla's doing well.  Thank you.

Thank you.  I did a very early morning prayer.  I know that the group of Monkeys has held her up in prayer.  PTL.

[SuzieQ]

http://news.gnom.es/news/aruba-no-natalee-questions-for-now

Aruba: No Natalee questions for now

0 Comments 16 June 2010


Oranjestad, Aruba (NEWS.GNOM.ES) — Aruban investigators will likely not travel to Peru to question murder suspect Joran van der Sloot until at least the end of August, prosecutor Peter Blanken said Wednesday.

Van der Sloot, who is being held in Peru in connection with the slaying of a 21-year-old student last month, is the lead suspect in the 2005 disappearance in Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Investigators from Aruba will not be able to question van der Sloot until Peruvian authorities finish their probe of the May 30 slaying of Stephany Flores, Blanken said. The formalities of Peruvian law also will determine the time frame, the prosecutor said.

Aruba also will have to wait to see what information may be contained in a laptop computer Peruvian authorities confiscated when they arrested van der Sloot, Blanken said. The FBI will obtain that information from Peru and then share it with Aruban investigators, Blanken said.

Authorities in Aruba say they do not know whether the computer contains any information that may help in the Holloway case.

Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to “help each other” in the investigations, Aruba government spokesman Taco Stein said Tuesday.

Stein said after a phone conversation with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning that Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

Stein did not indicate when the request would occur but described the conversation as a “positive start.”

Holloway’s father, Dave Holloway, met with Aruban authorities on the Caribbean island Tuesday and told NEWS.GNOM.ES he believes progress is being made in the investigation. He declined to elaborate further.

Van der Sloot, a 22-year-old Dutch citizen, was arrested twice in Aruba in connection with Holloway’s disappearance but released for lack of evidence. Aruba is part of the Netherlands.

He said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and met Flores while gambling.

Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won from gambling.

Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.

Carpe, this is the part I love.

Aruba also will have to wait to see what information may be contained in a laptop computer Peruvian authorities confiscated when they arrested van der Sloot, Blanken said. The FBI will obtain that information from Peru and then share it with Aruban investigators, Blanken said.

[Northern Rose]

Aruba Peru and work together to investigate Van der Sloot
CNN) - Authorities in Peru and Aruba have agreed to help each other in the investigation of murder of Stephany Flores, where the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot is the prime suspect, "a spokesman said Tuesday the government of Aruba.

The researchers hope that the cooperation will find new information on the disappearance of the girl born in Alabama, Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba. Van der Sloot also suspected in this case.

After a telephone conversation with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales, the Aruba government spokesman, Taco Stein, said officials of the South American country researchers agreed that the island van der Sloot interview once it has made a formal request .

Stein did not say when the request would be made or when a representative of Aruba come to Peru but described the meeting as a positive start to share information and clarify Holloway case.

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, met with authorities in Aruba on Tuesday and told CNN he feels that the investigation is progressing. He declined to give details.

Peru authorities have accused van der Sloot, a Dutchman, 22, of manslaughter in the death of Flores last month.

Van der Sloot said he traveled to Peru for a poker tournament, and he met Flores during the game.

Police have said that perhaps Van der Sloot killed Flores to steal the money he had won in the tournament.

Van der Sloot told authorities that Flores attacked on May 30, after she read an email about the Holloway case

http://mexico.cnn.com/mundo/2010/06/16/peru-y-aruba-trabajaran-juntos-para-investigar-a-van-der-sloot

[Tylergal]

"are you trying to call home" and "who are these people" were the rumored phrases on the "bird" call. But there were no human voices.

I personally don't remember an unanswered call to the Twitty home.

Tyler - Do you remember whether "William" (recipient of the "bird" call) was on the trip? I know that's the original story, but I think it was later learned that William, who WAS a friend of Natalee's, did not go on the trip. I just don't remember off hand.

(Jeez, it's been 3 years since I've been in a discussion about the phone call.)

I think either William or Edward was not on the trip.  One accessed a voice mail on the bus (in Aruba) that was taking the kids to the airport for their return flight, that was said to have gone to his home phone but he accessed it by retrieving his e-mails and another was to the home of another student who did not go on the trip.  I do remember "are you trying to call home?"  And "Who are these people?"  One call was thought to have been the sounds of the monkey in the cage next door to the sloot house.  Do you recall that once Beth went into the sloot home, she said she knew this was where the call came from.  (She and Greta fed the monkey).  After that any talk of a phone call was denied.  I often wondered if the monkey held the key to the phone call and the fact that Beth felt she was in the right place.

[carpe noctem]

[SuzieQ]

Knew I should have read ahead LOL

[Tylergal]

"are you trying to call home" and "who are these people" were the rumored phrases on the "bird" call. But there were no human voices.

I personally don't remember an unanswered call to the Twitty home.

Tyler - Do you remember whether "William" (recipient of the "bird" call) was on the trip? I know that's the original story, but I think it was later learned that William, who WAS a friend of Natalee's, did not go on the trip. I just don't remember off hand.

(Jeez, it's been 3 years since I've been in a discussion about the phone call.)

I think either William or Edward was not on the trip.  One accessed a voice mail on the bus (in Aruba) that was taking the kids to the airport for their return flight, that was said to have gone to his home phone but he accessed it by retrieving his e-mails and another was to the home of another student who did not go on the trip.  I do remember "are you trying to call home?"  And "Who are these people?"  One call was thought to have been the sounds of the monkey in the cage next door to the sloot house.  Do you recall that once Beth went into the sloot home, she said she knew this was where the call came from.  (She and Greta fed the monkey).  After that any talk of a phone call was denied.  I often wondered if the monkey held the key to the phone call and the fact that Beth felt she was in the right place.

I need to correct this. . . she said she FELT THAT NATALEE WAS THERE IN THAT HOUSE, HAD BEEN THERE

[Tylergal]

That's Blah's little character before showing his winter stores.

[Jo-An]

SBS - Joran special - part 3

The confession
Peter: getting rid of the body had too many practical problems for Joran. He had no one to help him. That's why he left her in the room.

Fellow prisoners
Journalist Wim van der Pol visited the cell block where Joran is staying now. Only high profile criminals can stay there. He says that he's not sure if Joran can close the door of his cell, this puts him at extra risk.

Interview with Stephany's father
"Her soul is always with me, she gives me strength to stay awake, I haven't slept in days. She will never really leave us, those who loved her. She was an innocent girl that only saw the positive side of people." The family is staying in their second house to have a bit more room to grieve. "God taught me not to hate people, I am in a lot of pain though."
He asked LE to check every single place that Joran has been over the last couple of years. It's no coincidence that the date -May 30th- is the same.
Everyone is prepared say goodbye to their parents but nothing can prepare you to have to say goodbye to your children.

The sentence
It may take up to 2 years until this case goes to trial.
The receptionist and the manager of the hotel have been questioned.
They want to know why they didn't open room 309 sooner.

Henk Knoester is a Dutch man living in Peru, married for 36 years to a Peruvian woman.
He says that if you follow the rules, you're more than welcome in Peru.
But if you break the law, everyone is against you.

*commercial break*


This is a rather bad documentary tbh... mmm... No new info, they have some things just plain wrong...
After the break they're going to talk about Natalee.

[Tamikosmom]

"are you trying to call home" and "who are these people" were the rumored phrases on the "bird" call. But there were no human voices.

I personally don't remember an unanswered call to the Twitty home.

Tyler - Do you remember whether "William" (recipient of the "bird" call) was on the trip? I know that's the original story, but I think it was later learned that William, who WAS a friend of Natalee's, did not go on the trip. I just don't remember off hand.

(Jeez, it's been 3 years since I've been in a discussion about the phone call.)

msmarple

The following are quotes from family members in regards to "the call" topic.

Janet
______


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM

There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173

[msmarple]

"are you trying to call home" and "who are these people" were the rumored phrases on the "bird" call. But there were no human voices.

I personally don't remember an unanswered call to the Twitty home.

Tyler - Do you remember whether "William" (recipient of the "bird" call) was on the trip? I know that's the original story, but I think it was later learned that William, who WAS a friend of Natalee's, did not go on the trip. I just don't remember off hand.

(Jeez, it's been 3 years since I've been in a discussion about the phone call.)

I think either William or Edward was not on the trip.  One accessed a voice mail on the bus (in Aruba) that was taking the kids to the airport for their return flight, that was said to have gone to his home phone but he accessed it by retrieving his e-mails and another was to the home of another student who did not go on the trip.  I do remember "are you trying to call home?"  And "Who are these people?"  One call was thought to have been the sounds of the monkey in the cage next door to the sloot house.  Do you recall that once Beth went into the sloot home, she said she knew this was where the call came from.  (She and Greta fed the monkey).  After that any talk of a phone call was denied.  I often wondered if the monkey held the key to the phone call and the fact that Beth felt she was in the right place.

I think what probably happened was that the investigation of the phone call had been completed, and as I said, dismissed as having nothing to do with the case. Oddest thing about it was that the "kid fooling around with the phone" was I think about 12 years old, and Art Wood couldn't get over him being up so late.

The two phrases apparently were nothing more than the vivid imagination of the rumor mill.