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« Reply #1540 on: June 16, 2010, 11:24:44 PM »

Aruba first plays the delay game with Dave Holloway. Stop searching for Natalee or questioning us till we have a chance to ask Joran, regardless of the fact that they had 5 years to question him.
Now they are the victim,  Mr. Flores is talking bad about them.


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« Reply #1541 on: June 16, 2010, 11:26:08 PM »

Beth managed trying to find Joran's victim.  There were a few small local fundraisers to try to help but nothing that would have ever covered all her costs.

Maybe Anita's thieving, extorting son should have given her some of the money he stole from Beth pretending he would tell her what he did with her daughter.

Anita is just hoping somebody will give her a free ticket or help pay her way.  Nerve after all the money the Holloways have had to spend!

Maybe she can just use her broomstick to fly there.



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« Reply #1542 on: June 16, 2010, 11:31:01 PM »

Beth managed trying to find Joran's victim.  There were a few small local fundraisers to try to help but nothing that would have ever covered all her costs.

Maybe Anita's thieving, extorting son should have given her some of the money he stole from Beth pretending he would tell her what he did with her daughter.

Anita is just hoping somebody will give her a free ticket or help pay her way.  Nerve after all the money the Holloways have had to spend!

Maybe she can just use her broomstick to fly there.



I see she's borrowed Renfro's broomstick after all ! LOL just having to watch the replay Greta did the other night of Anita blubbering during that interview about how Joran would never, ever hurt anyone - cry me a river Anita.

I think that Anita should feel very lucky that Joran did not hurt her or a member of that family. He is just crazy enough to do that...IMHO
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« Reply #1543 on: June 16, 2010, 11:37:10 PM »



I have read numerous times that an individual who becomes a serial killer often has a history of killing animals.

I bet they praised the day he went to live in his apartment setup on their property, or whatever it was. Get the kid out of our hair. Shame on them.
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« Reply #1544 on: June 16, 2010, 11:46:22 PM »

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June 16, 2010 – 1:46 pm


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Just a short quick note to respond to all the emails I got about information put out on cable news tonight.  Thank you for all your emails, but remember I am in Aruba — so stick with your source on the ground.

Dave left the island earlier today.

Authorities are not searching the island and have NO plans to search the island. Searchers are NOT mobilized.

There is no authorized searches to happen on the island.

There is NO scheduled searches happening on the island.

Authorities WILL NOT search until they receive information (a confession) from Joran Van Der Sloot that they deem credible — repeat — credible.

Just because Joran Van Der Sloot says he will only talk to Aruban authorities doesn’t mean that he will get the opportunity to talk to Aruban authorities. Joran Van Der Sloot is in a Peruvian jail and no longer calls the shots.

According to family members of Stephany Flores in Peru, it will only be a matter of time before authorities in Peru have the answers from Joran as to what happened to Natalee.
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« Reply #1545 on: June 16, 2010, 11:50:16 PM »



I have read numerous times that an individual who becomes a serial killer often has a history of killing animals.

I bet they praised the day he went to live in his apartment setup on their property, or whatever it was. Get the kid out of our hair. Shame on them.

not trying to defend anyone
some parents are not equipped to handle even the smallest of behaviours, this is why
we have parents that say, he was off the wall, and the child was 7, then dead, or they grow up to adults and commit more heinous crimes, and the parent is still at a loss
i can tell you from personal experience it is very complicated
i thought about writing a book
title: why do i liove these demons
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« Reply #1546 on: June 16, 2010, 11:53:31 PM »

Wednesday June 16, 2010 - 7:07 pm


Joran van der Sloot will be questioned on Monday June 21

http://elcomercio.pe/

The questioning the citizen Dutchman Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot was scheduled for Monday June 21 at 10:00 am at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande.

Judge of the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, Carlos Morales Cordova , is responsible for clarifying the facts and determine responsibility in the murder of the young Stephany Flores , whose crime is configured with the crimes of homicide and simple theft.

Joran van der Sloot, 22 years old, is being held since last July 11 in that prison.

OTHER Encause
Statements to the brothers John Oswald and John Williams Aparcana Pisconte parapet and Carlos Alberto Uribe will be held on 23, 24 and 25 June respectively. In all cases, the proceedings will start at 14:30.

The above are processed with a subpoena restricted by the failure to report crime. They are accused of having facilitated the transportation of Joran van der Sloot of Nasca to Tacna despite allegedly knew about the crime that would have been incurred.

Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.) , so that specialists explain the reasons for their opinions.

Through a statement, the Court of Lima reported that the reconstruction of the events will be scheduled in due course, depending on progress of the criminal proceedings.

HOLLOWAY CASE
Arise if any indication referred to the death of American teenager Natalee Holloway , the court stated that it will evaluate and take necessary measures so that relevant authorities can achieve such evidence without affecting the process in Peru or the fundamental rights of the accused .
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« Reply #1547 on: June 16, 2010, 11:55:37 PM »

This 21 will question van der Sloot
Wed, 16/06/2010 - 16:48


http://www.larepublica.pe/

Carlos Morales, Judge of the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, scheduled for Monday 21 June, the interrogation of Joran van der Sloot in the process is followed for the offenses of simple murder and theft, to the detriment of Stephany Flores.
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« Reply #1548 on: June 16, 2010, 11:56:06 PM »

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June 16, 2010 – 1:46 pm


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Just a short quick note to respond to all the emails I got about information put out on cable news tonight.  Thank you for all your emails, but remember I am in Aruba — so stick with your source on the ground.

Dave left the island earlier today.

Authorities are not searching the island and have NO plans to search the island. Searchers are NOT mobilized.

There is no authorized searches to happen on the island.

There is NO scheduled searches happening on the island.

Authorities WILL NOT search until they receive information (a confession) from Joran Van Der Sloot that they deem credible — repeat — credible.

Just because Joran Van Der Sloot says he will only talk to Aruban authorities doesn’t mean that he will get the opportunity to talk to Aruban authorities. Joran Van Der Sloot is in a Peruvian jail and no longer calls the shots.

According to family members of Stephany Flores in Peru, it will only be a matter of time before authorities in Peru have the answers from Joran as to what happened to Natalee.

The Flores family could be right. 
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« Reply #1549 on: June 16, 2010, 11:56:22 PM »

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According to family members of Stephany Flores in Peru, it will only be a matter of time before authorities in Peru have the answers from Joran as to what happened to Natalee.
 

outstanding  of them to put Natalee up in the face of their loss
 
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« Reply #1550 on: June 16, 2010, 11:58:35 PM »

Beth managed trying to find Joran's victim.  There were a few small local fundraisers to try to help but nothing that would have ever covered all her costs.

Maybe Anita's thieving, extorting son should have given her some of the money he stole from Beth pretending he would tell her what he did with her daughter.

Anita is just hoping somebody will give her a free ticket or help pay her way.  Nerve after all the money the Holloways have had to spend

Maybe she can just use her broomstick to fly there.

I agree with you.
Also, There might not be a hotel willing to have her there and I am sure no one will open their doors and offer their home.
I do believe she would be a Persona Non Grata in Peru.

Anita should have to stay in room 309 at the Hotel TACky when in Peru
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« Reply #1551 on: June 17, 2010, 12:01:57 AM »

Aruba Police want to speak with Dutchman accused in Peru

June 16, 2010, 11:04 pm ET

Oranjestad, Aruba (AP) - Prosecutors in Aruba said Wednesday they want to take him up the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who has proposed to discuss the disappearance of American teenager cleared Natalee Holloway in this Caribbean island.

The judicial authorities in Peru hope to organize a conversation between the police of Aruba and Van der Sloot, said prosecutor Robert Pietersz. The Dutchman citizen awaiting trial in Peru for the murder of a young woman of 21 years, occurred in a hotel room, where Van der Sloot was staying in Lima.

Van der Sloot said Peruvian authorities are willing to explain the case of Holloway, but only to the authorities in Aruba. It remains the only suspect in the disappearance, which occurred in 2005 in the Netherlands in the Caribbean island.

A policeman and a prosecutor in Aruba could even travel to Peru in August, according to Peter Blanken, the chief public prosecutor on the island.

Van der Sloot has said he fears for his life in prison in Peru. But no matter what information you provide on the Holloway case, Blanken considered unlikely that the Dutchman is brought to Aruba before completing any sentence in the South American country.

"I think it is undisputed that because the case in Peru is of the utmost severity, and the Peruvian authorities have said they do not want that (extradition)," Blanken said.

Dave Holloway, father of the missing girl, met Tuesday with the police in Aruba, according to Blanken. He said authorities had no new information to discuss the case.

Natalee Holloway, a 18-year-old from Alabama, was last seen on May 30, 2005, he left a bar with Van der Sloot. It was the final night of a trip that the teenager made to Aruba to celebrate graduation.

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/50noticias/8236130.shtml
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« Reply #1552 on: June 17, 2010, 12:03:44 AM »

whewwww finally caught up!

I agree with you msmarple...about why they had to disappear Natalee's body.

Thank you Jo-An for summarizing the SBS6 show for us!

Magnolia, you're too kind.  I'm just a mom that won't give up!

Melody has a beautiful daughter, one day she'll see her first love like MOST other mothers do; and won't be as inclined to protect him as she is now.  I'm holding out some hope for that anyway...  Interesting about her father being a contractor?  I posted an article a few months back of who I believed might be Melody's father...he'd written a jingle and performed it on his trumpet iirc at a CNB function.  But I wondered then if that was his only line of work.  

I'm wondering how much Anita had to do with Melody sharing the diary and being interviewed now...and if she wasn't right in the middle of that what she thinks about it.  She and Melody have seemed pretty close the last few months IMO.

I'm out of town for some training for the rest of the week and will be on my way home when it's shown, but I'm hoping DH will record 20/20 for me so I can watch it Saturday!  He's soooo happy that he didn't have to watch NG tonight, lol.  

Thanks for the laughs EURobert, Carpe, Nonesuche & Klaas!

So it was as I thought, no searches going on at all in Aruba.  :monkeynono:
At least from the reports I've read Dave's visit was good!

Thanks to all monkeys for all the information posted!  I probably won't be posting many articles etc. until I'm back home...can't get used to the mini lappy...uggghhh!  Plus with the time I have, I will consider it an accomplishment if I can merely stay caught up!

Speaking of...anyone seen Mere ride through here lately?
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1553 on: June 17, 2010, 12:08:40 AM »

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Open this link and look at the right side of the page.  There's a small National Enquirer Magazine there and the big item is:  NATALEE'S GRAVE FOUND!!

Does anyone have a copy of this particular issue and can share what's in the article?

Klaas !?!?!?

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« Reply #1554 on: June 17, 2010, 12:12:14 AM »

ARUBA…JUST THE FACTS MA’AM
June 16, 2010 – 1:46 pm


http://stephww.wordpress.com/


Just a short quick note to respond to all the emails I got about information put out on cable news tonight.  Thank you for all your emails, but remember I am in Aruba — so stick with your source on the ground.

Dave left the island earlier today.

Authorities are not searching the island and have NO plans to search the island. Searchers are NOT mobilized.

There is no authorized searches to happen on the island.

There is NO scheduled searches happening on the island.

Authorities WILL NOT search until they receive information (a confession) from Joran Van Der Sloot that they deem credible — repeat — credible.

Just because Joran Van Der Sloot says he will only talk to Aruban authorities doesn’t mean that he will get the opportunity to talk to Aruban authorities. Joran Van Der Sloot is in a Peruvian jail and no longer calls the shots.

According to family members of Stephany Flores in Peru, it will only be a matter of time before authorities in Peru have the answers from Joran as to what happened to Natalee.

The Flores family could be right. 

I expect they have heard about that hot coca-cola nasal wash and they know it works!
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« Reply #1555 on: June 17, 2010, 12:13:58 AM »

whewwww finally caught up!

I agree with you msmarple...about why they had to disappear Natalee's body.

Thank you Jo-An for summarizing the SBS6 show for us!

Magnolia, you're too kind.  I'm just a mom that won't give up!

Melody has a beautiful daughter, one day she'll see her first love like MOST other mothers do; and won't be as inclined to protect him as she is now.  I'm holding out some hope for that anyway...  Interesting about her father being a contractor?  I posted an article a few months back of who I believed might be Melody's father...he'd written a jingle and performed it on his trumpet iirc at a CNB function.  But I wondered then if that was his only line of work.  

I'm wondering how much Anita had to do with Melody sharing the diary and being interviewed now...and if she wasn't right in the middle of that what she thinks about it.  She and Melody have seemed pretty close the last few months IMO.

I'm out of town for some training for the rest of the week and will be on my way home when it's shown, but I'm hoping DH will record 20/20 for me so I can watch it Saturday!  He's soooo happy that he didn't have to watch NG tonight, lol.  

Thanks for the laughs EURobert, Carpe, Nonesuche & Klaas!

So it was as I thought, no searches going on at all in Aruba.  :monkeynono:
At least from the reports I've read Dave's visit was good!

Thanks to all monkeys for all the information posted!  I probably won't be posting many articles etc. until I'm back home...can't get used to the mini lappy...uggghhh!  Plus with the time I have, I will consider it an accomplishment if I can merely stay caught up!

Speaking of...anyone seen Mere ride through here lately?


Anita and Melody used to post together at RWV.  My DH confronted them and bingo!!! he got banned for exposing them.
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« Reply #1556 on: June 17, 2010, 12:15:03 AM »

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Open this link and look at the right side of the page.  There's a small National Enquirer Magazine there and the big item is:  NATALEE'S GRAVE FOUND!!

Does anyone have a copy of this particular issue and can share what's in the article?

Klaas !?!?!?



Puzzler - I don't have it and if it's new, it's not on my grocery stand yet.  The one on my stand is still the one with Joran in Peru.  I'll keep my eye out for the entire article.
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« Reply #1557 on: June 17, 2010, 12:19:04 AM »

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Open this link and look at the right side of the page.  There's a small National Enquirer Magazine there and the big item is:  NATALEE'S GRAVE FOUND!!

Does anyone have a copy of this particular issue and can share what's in the article?

Klaas !?!?!?




Puzzler - I don't have it and if it's new, it's not on my grocery stand yet.  The one on my stand is still the one with Joran in Peru.  I'll keep my eye out for the entire article.

It is the new issue.  I've asked San to check on her way into work.  Often the new issues are out on the east coast before they are out here.  I was at Walmart today and I looked to see if anything new and this issue wasn't on the stand there yet.

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« Reply #1558 on: June 17, 2010, 12:24:15 AM »

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Open this link and look at the right side of the page.  There's a small National Enquirer Magazine there and the big item is:  NATALEE'S GRAVE FOUND!!

Does anyone have a copy of this particular issue and can share what's in the article?

Klaas !?!?!?




Puzzler - I don't have it and if it's new, it's not on my grocery stand yet.  The one on my stand is still the one with Joran in Peru.  I'll keep my eye out for the entire article.

It is the new issue.  I've asked San to check on her way into work.  Often the new issues are out on the east coast before they are out here.  I was at Walmart today and I looked to see if anything new and this issue wasn't on the stand there yet.



Klaas...thanks!

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« Reply #1559 on: June 17, 2010, 12:25:03 AM »

I do no have a copy of the Enquirer, but found on this page details of what is in it.

http://guanabee.com/2010/06/enquirer-van-der-sloot/

According to the print edition of the magazine which came out today, Van der Sloot first drew the map for a Dutch crime journalist named Jaap Amesz who went through great lengths to befriend Van der Sloot and gain his trust when Van der Sloot was living in Holland in 2008.On June 4, 2010, Dutch authorities raided the home of Amesz and confiscated evidence at the request of the U.S. Justice Department, who were investigating Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud, but they didn’t manage to find the map. Frustrated with the Aruban authorities’ refusal to reopen the Holloway case regardless of the map, Amesz sent a copy to Holloway’s father, Dave Holloway. holloways He in turn shared it with a private mounted search and recovery team working for the family called Texas Equusearch. The director of that firm, Tim Miller, told the Enquirer, “We have the map.” They are in the process of negotiating with the government of Aruba for cooperation in holding a search for Holloway’s remains at a national park called the Bubali Bird Sanctuary where Joran claims the body is located. Authorities did search the sanctuary in 2006, but according to Aruban attorney general Taco Stein, the park is so large, they could only conduct a partial search.

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