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« Reply #1600 on: June 17, 2010, 02:22:30 AM »

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He is looking alot thinner, maybe down 20 lbs in the last few weeks.

LOL.  That should be on every entry and exit and at the airport in Aruba.
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« Reply #1601 on: June 17, 2010, 02:25:58 AM »

TexasMom, have a great trip, learn a lot and don't worry about the monkeys.  Do what you need to do. 

None, I don't put anything past Melody.  Wasn't she pregnant with another guy's baby when she was licking Joran's face in his bedroom.

Thanks Tylergal!  I won't worry, I'll just miss being here.

That mention of Melody reminded me of something.

Wonder what Joran was having blood tests for?  From the FB posts that jen or Kermit brought over iirc...thoughts anyone?

I've got to hit the monkey bunkey, long day tomorrow.

Good night everyone!



He has been at such risk, probably TB, AIDS, syphilis, various hepatitis tests, etc.   
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« Reply #1602 on: June 17, 2010, 02:48:52 AM »

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1391036.ece/Joran_luxe_cel,_geen_privacy

Joran: luxury cell, no privacy
From our correspondent Allart Hoekzema on June 16 '10, 22:45, updated June 16 '10, 22:51

SANTA CRUZ - The Peruvian authorities need to keep two fronts happy in the Joran van der Sloot case: the first is a revenge-hungry domestic public and second the human rights watchers abroad. Hence the paradox of a relatively comfortable cell for the Dutchman accused of murder and absolute trampling of his privacy rights.

"The Peruvian state is the Van der Sloot-matter involved in a delicate balance issue," said Antonio Perez, criminal justice specialist in Lima. "The outrage over the murder of Stephany Flores is great. She was not an anonymous citizen, but a member of a prominent Peruvian family. Why the authorities want the media to show that they stay on top. "But according to Perez like the police and magistrates at the same time avoid the situation of Van der Sloot gives rise to fierce international criticism on the Peruvian prison system in general.

Of the murder and robbery of 21-year-old suspect Flores Van der Sloot is stuck in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in San Juan de Lurigancho, just north of Lima. He has a cell for himself from three to eight feet in the so-called Pabellón Prevención, the Department of appeal on the first floor of the heavily guarded facility. "He is lucky that he is isolated from other prisoners," says Perez. According to him, the Castro Castro prison a reputation for violence and unsanitary conditions. "The prisoners there have committed serious crimes," said Perez.

Harsh conditions
A March 11 report on human rights published this year by the U.S. State Department confirms the harsh conditions in Peruvian prisons in 1971. "The devices are characterized by overcrowding, a precarious sanitary conditions, poor nutrition and many cases of AIDS and tuberculosis," the report said. A prisoner with money can 'luxury' purchase, such as mobile phones, meals out, and drink and drugs.

Van der Sloot will get the same food as the prison director and guards. His neighbors are a mayor accused of drug trafficking and Colombia's Alejandro assassin "Payaso" Trujillo Ospina, accused of murdering the Peruvian businesswoman Myriam Fefer.

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"Van der Sloot now eating regularly and has made friends with Trujillo Ospina. They talk and play cards with each other, and even making jokes. Trujillo said Van der Sloot when he first saw it: I'm an assassin and you're a psycho, "said a source inside the national penitentiary institute INPE this week by the newspaper El Comercio. Antonio Perez expects that Van der Sloot at least until his trial in a single cell in Castro Castro will continue. "The state can not afford any incidents."

Across the relative calm in the cell is a huge media hectic situation, compounded by indiscreet actions of the authorities. All the police ever bales are drained and Van der Sloot was repeatedly raised as an attraction to flashing cameras and shouting reporters. At every turn, his arrest and prison photo number shown on TV.

His life is turned inside out, and news and current affairs programs invariably indicate the Dutchman as "murderous playboy," "incurable crook," "dangerous psychopath" and "cheating poker player." "His privacy is violated," Perez admits. "That's not normal, but perhaps not quite understand given the high emotions in this case."

This week it was announced that former anti-corruption magistrate Carlos Morales Córdoba, the court presiding over that Van der Sloot tried. Morales Córdoba is a reconstruction of the murder to understand what exactly happened on May 30 in the hotel room in Lima. If Van der Sloot is found guilty, he can jail a gain of 15 to 35 years.
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« Reply #1603 on: June 17, 2010, 06:14:37 AM »

A lady ran for President of Peru... Lourdes Flores. Is she any relation to Stephany's family?
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« Reply #1604 on: June 17, 2010, 06:55:20 AM »

Her mother
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« Reply #1605 on: June 17, 2010, 06:59:35 AM »

So I see that someone deleted Joran's Facebook page.  Probably the whackadoodle psychics. They must have "seen" that he wouldn't be needing it anymore.
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« Reply #1606 on: June 17, 2010, 07:11:50 AM »

This Lourdes Flores' doesn't look like Stephany's mom ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Flores

This is her full name:
Lourdes Celmira Rosario Flores Nano
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« Reply #1607 on: June 17, 2010, 07:22:13 AM »

ARUBA…JUST THE FACTS MA’AM
June 16, 2010 – 1:46 pm


http://stephww.wordpress.com/


Just a short quick note to respond to all the emails I got about information put out on cable news tonight.  Thank you for all your emails, but remember I am in Aruba — so stick with your source on the ground.

Dave left the island earlier today.

Authorities are not searching the island and have NO plans to search the island. Searchers are NOT mobilized.

There is no authorized searches to happen on the island.

There is NO scheduled searches happening on the island.

Authorities WILL NOT search until they receive information (a confession) from Joran Van Der Sloot that they deem credible — repeat — credible.

Just because Joran Van Der Sloot says he will only talk to Aruban authorities doesn’t mean that he will get the opportunity to talk to Aruban authorities. Joran Van Der Sloot is in a Peruvian jail and no longer calls the shots.

According to family members of Stephany Flores in Peru, it will only be a matter of time before authorities in Peru have the answers from Joran as to what happened to Natalee.

How sad they've screwed Dave over again!   Maybe Steph is starting to get it now.
Aruba will never "deem credible" anything Joran says.  It has been their mantra and their excuse for a long time now.

I don't want anything that is squeezed from Joran to go to Aruba.
Straight to the F. B. I. I say!!!

I am sickened that Aruba treats Natalee's Dad this way! 


 
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« Reply #1608 on: June 17, 2010, 07:39:12 AM »

whewwww finally caught up!

I agree with you msmarple...about why they had to disappear Natalee's body.

Thank you Jo-An for summarizing the SBS6 show for us!

Magnolia, you're too kind.  I'm just a mom that won't give up!

Melody has a beautiful daughter, one day she'll see her first love like MOST other mothers do; and won't be as inclined to protect him as she is now.  I'm holding out some hope for that anyway...  Interesting about her father being a contractor?  I posted an article a few months back of who I believed might be Melody's father...he'd written a jingle and performed it on his trumpet iirc at a CNB function.  But I wondered then if that was his only line of work. 

I'm wondering how much Anita had to do with Melody sharing the diary and being interviewed now...and if she wasn't right in the middle of that what she thinks about it.  She and Melody have seemed pretty close the last few months IMO.

I'm out of town for some training for the rest of the week and will be on my way home when it's shown, but I'm hoping DH will record 20/20 for me so I can watch it Saturday!  He's soooo happy that he didn't have to watch NG tonight, lol. 

Thanks for the laughs EURobert, Carpe, Nonesuche & Klaas!

So it was as I thought, no searches going on at all in Aruba.  :monkeynono:
At least from the reports I've read Dave's visit was good!

Thanks to all monkeys for all the information posted!  I probably won't be posting many articles etc. until I'm back home...can't get used to the mini lappy...uggghhh!  Plus with the time I have, I will consider it an accomplishment if I can merely stay caught up!

Speaking of...anyone seen Mere ride through here lately?


Anita and Melody used to post together at RWV.  My DH confronted them and bingo!!! he got banned for exposing them.

Wow, I used to read @ RWV.  Didn't realize Anita was posting there.

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« Reply #1609 on: June 17, 2010, 07:44:33 AM »

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Priceless!  LOL
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« Reply #1610 on: June 17, 2010, 07:48:21 AM »

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/491262/2010/06/17/Van-der-Sloot-staat-er-snel-helemaal-alleen-voor.dhtml

Van der Sloot will be on his own very soon

LIMA - Van der Sloot will soon have to fend for himself in the notorious Peruvian prison. The own cell that he still has, within three months he exchanged for a place among the other prisoners. That says the director of the prison.

"A special protective treatment is only reserved for child molesters and people who are ill to defend against their fellow inmates,''the director said in an interview with SBS 6.,, Joran is young and strong and will have to protect himself.''

The suspected murder of 22-year-old Dutchman was Saturday at the prison just outside the capital Lima charged. As he remains down pending his trial. It awaits a possible sentence of up to 35 years for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. If he is convicted, he will probably be the remainder of his sentence in the same prison sentence.

According guardians of the Castro Castro prison Joran van der Sloot has befriended his neighbor Colombia, Alejandro Ospina assassin. According to the guards how to play them a lot and have conversations. Joran is in a block that it shares with the Colombian.

Van der Sloot from hearing Monday, with Nakasaki or Altez at his side, Judge Carlos Morales Cordova if he is tried for murder or manslaughter of the 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores, who has over two weeks ago died in his hotel room in Lima was found .

The Dutchman, who also interrogated for his possible involvement in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago, has confessed. Fearing violence from fellow prisoners has his own cell in a block that it shares with the Colombian hitman and a corrupt ex-mayor. Prison Food dare for fear of poisoning, he still can not eat. He may have dinner with the guards.

Tuesday, a representative of the Dutch embassy visited him. He has briefly spoken. Other visitors are not welcome.

It is still not clear whether Van der Sloot is also suspected of involvement in the disappearance of two Colombian girls.

Colonel Rodriguez of the police in Bogota confirmed that the missing girls are still being sought, according to eyewitnesses last month in a casino in Bogotá with Van der Sloot were seen. As long as they or their bodies were not found, Van der Sloot has not been officially accused.
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« Reply #1611 on: June 17, 2010, 07:50:06 AM »



Love it Klaas.  Lolol
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« Reply #1612 on: June 17, 2010, 07:51:46 AM »

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/390935/1/1/50/joran-krijgt-aids-toegediend-als-wraak.html

´Joran get administered AIDS as revenge "

06/17/2010 @ 1:46 p.m. by Stefan on

According to Peruvian reporters, the father of the murdered Stephanie Flores not to take revenge by Joran in jail to murder. That states this week's Nieuwe Revue. He has other plans.

In a report about the hell that Joran van der Sloot awaits, the magazine notes that Joran will get an injection with HIV. Administered by a hired fellow prisoner. Since living conditions are so bad, the HIV and AIDS will soon turn into within two years Joran will be done.

Next week, Joran brought before the court. Currently, the Dutchman is isolated in a cell. Eventually he will have to share a cell with dozens of others.
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« Reply #1613 on: June 17, 2010, 07:56:08 AM »

FYI Nieuwe Revue is sort of a tabloid for men.
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« Reply #1614 on: June 17, 2010, 08:00:28 AM »

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That will BUMP up that tourism. lol

That picture needs to be on the cover of Aruba's travel brochure!

Inside the brochure should contain a little info about the "Happy Island"!

* Enjoy our pristine beaches and let the kiddies play our famous "find the bones!" Prizes awarded to the child who find the most in a single day!

* Visit our beautiful Nature Parks! Disclaimer: No digging allowed! We use them as burial grounds for what we want to hide.

* Take in our incredible Night Life! Our drinks are internationally famous for those times when you want to "let your hair down"! (Fine Print: Drink at your own risk. Aruba is not responsible for loss of memory, loss of finances or loss of loved ones.)

* Vacation in one of the most secure places on earth! No one tops our well trained Police Force so you can rest assured of a safe environment to enjoy your well earned vacation! footnote: You may not understand our legal system.

Neat CBB.  Maybe you could add body bags will be issued free of charge if one is required for your flight home.
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« Reply #1615 on: June 17, 2010, 08:06:36 AM »

I find it realy weird that the guy in the cell next to joran is an assassin and has befriended Joran. Is that a ploy to befriend him gain his confidence and than do him in!! after all he would be known as the guy that killed the infamous Joran vandersloot. I think that Jorans trust of him will be short lived. Am I the only one thinking this. Have I lost it?

After all this guy has already killed someone of high status profile right??  whats he got to loose. certainly not money because we all know anita is in the poor house now due to jorans previous legal fees.

No, I said that the day we found out they were "roomies" sotaspeak.


The assassin, who is the one who is also known as the BOBO..the clown..is on that cell block because he is a high profile killer, so is the ex mayor, and so is Joran. 

Rather we like it or not..Joran is being kept there because of his high profile status..10 cells on that block..three prisoners they need to keep alive.  Had Joran been a murderer of anyone else  or drug smuggler..he would have been in general pop.  Joran is very lucky to be in the cell block he is in right now.

The assassin is playing Joran..he will not kill Joran..He has his own problems..and would require more money then the average prisoner to do such a deed.  When Joran gets in general pop..then he will have an eye opener..that is after is his trial.  Stephany's family wants him alive to pay for what he has done..and to be on public record not as her accused killer..but as her tried and convicted killer.  The people of Peru respect that also.

Secondly..you all need to take a step back whenever you read something someone from Aruba has said..and I mean this with no disrespect to any of you.  It is just yesterday many people here talked for many pages about Aruba running to Joran's rescue immediately..not reading between the lines that this was Aruba speaking..not Peru.

I posted ..and got no response ..that what the Aruban's said and CNN repeated was not right.  To me it sounded like Peru finally after two weeks accepted a call from Aruba and that they said put your request in writing, at the right time, through the right channels..then we will see.

That is exactly what has come out today..Aruba can not even consider the laptop, nor can they consider seeing him until the current investigation is complete..probably the end of August..maybe later is when their request will be considered.  For now..they are not welcome nor can they do their own investigation.

Why in the world would any of you believe anything that comes out of Aruba as a sound bite.  Chill ..Peru knows what they are doing..Aruba has a few months to cover their ass.


I mean none of this disrespectfully.  I just want people to have more faith in Peru.  They are not going to be bought off..nor imtimadated by Aruba nor the Netherlands.

Why in the world would any of you believe anything that comes out of Aruba as a sound bite.  Chill ..Peru knows what they are doing..Aruba has a few months to cover their ass.

This is why I think they will come up with some kind of evedence that has been in a locked container.
NATALEE has been found this is their only chance to fix ARUBA and look good.

IMO I know if I was told to toss all evidence in  this case I wouldn't, just in case it was needed someday
but that just me..
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« Reply #1616 on: June 17, 2010, 08:15:11 AM »

So I see that someone deleted Joran's Facebook page.  Probably the whackadoodle psychics. They must have "seen" that he wouldn't be needing it anymore.

I'm wondering if Anita made it to Peru after all?  Joran gave his pw to someone so they could delete it.....
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« Reply #1617 on: June 17, 2010, 08:36:03 AM »

So I see that someone deleted Joran's Facebook page.  Probably the whackadoodle psychics. They must have "seen" that he wouldn't be needing it anymore.

I'm wondering if Anita made it to Peru after all?  Joran gave his pw to someone so they could delete it.....

I don't think she's there, but he could have given it via telephone.  I wonder if you could "report" a FB acct to FB mgmt and get it deleted?  I'm glad it is gone. The only purpose it was serving at this point is to give the whackadoodle psychics the opportunity to rant about what a WONDERFUL person Joran is, how he has been framed, and that there is no evidence against him.  :roflmao:
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« Reply #1618 on: June 17, 2010, 08:42:09 AM »

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Open this link and look at the right side of the page.  There's a small National Enquirer Magazine there and the big item is:  NATALEE'S GRAVE FOUND!!

Does anyone have a copy of this particular issue and can share what's in the article?

Klaas !?!?!?


Hmmm, I don't see it...
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« Reply #1619 on: June 17, 2010, 09:00:03 AM »

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Joran Van Der Sloot Drew A Map To Natalee Holloway’s Body
16 June 2010, 11:00 AM. By Cindy Casares
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Joran Van der Sloot drew a map to the location where he buried Natalee Holloway’s body, the National Enquirer says. According to the print edition of the magazine which came out today, Van der Sloot first drew the map for a Dutch crime journalist named Jaap Amesz who went through great lengths to befriend Van der Sloot and gain his trust when Van der Sloot was living in Holland in 2008. On June 4, 2010, Dutch authorities raided the home of Amesz and confiscated evidence at the request of the U.S. Justice Department, who were investigating Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud, but they didn’t manage to find the map. Frustrated with the Aruban authorities’ refusal to reopen the Holloway case regardless of the map, Amesz sent a copy to Holloway’s father, Dave Holloway.  He in turn shared it with a private mounted search and recovery team working for the family called Texas Equusearch. The director of that firm, Tim Miller, told the Enquirer, “We have the map.” They are in the process of negotiating with the government of Aruba for cooperation in holding a search for Holloway’s remains at a national park called the Bubali Bird Sanctuary where Joran claims the body is located. Authorities did search the sanctuary in 2006, but according to Aruban attorney general Taco Stein, the park is so large, they could only conduct a partial search.

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Of course, Van der Sloot has told a lot of stories about what happened to Natalee Holloway on the night of May 30, 2005, when she was last seen alive, so it’s anybody’s guess whether the map is real, but Amesz feels confident it’s worth a shot.

“For over a year, I played a game against Joran. I got closer and closer to him by pretending to be his friend. I paid his rent when he got kicked out. I paid his gambling debt. He truly saw me as the guy who wanted to help him out.” Amesz says Van der Sloot drew him the map after Amesz assured him that his full confession would only put him in jail for two years and then he could get rich off the publicity when he got out. Amesz also used a lie detector test in an interview with Van der Sloot, but the Aruban public prosecutor concluded that Van der Sloot’s statement was not true because the facts and timelines were inconsistent.
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