Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Ono]

I find it satisfying that the tables have been turned on Joran, for up until now, he has been convinced that he can do anything and get away with it.  He was reared in an atmosphere that it's acceptable to lie at any point in time, to anyone, even LE.  He has mocked Goodness in his evil.

[Ono]

So after about three months, Joran will go into the general population.  Oh, this is by design I am sure.  He may not last to stand trial.

As for the food, it is different in the Andean countires.  I was once very formally served a bowl of soup that had a chicken's foot in it complete with toenails and all.  I gave out a small, involuntary shreik in spite of myself.  It was just such a surprise.  And I know protein is protein and all that but I was startled to see it.

If he survives, Joran is going to have to adapt and fast.

Anna when I first moved to Jamaica to work, I was served chicken feet soup too....no frigging way...but many Caribbean cultures and South American cultures have chicken feet soup..............ugh!!

What does it taste like?

Ono, I just couldn't taste it.  I am effected by the high altitude and usually feel lousy there and in Bolivia for a week or so.  My husband quickly ate his and we switched his empty bowl for mine with the foot in it and he ate it!  Not the foot but the soup part.  Apparently, you don't have to eat the foot as it is more for flavoring.

So first chance we got with no one looking, we did the ole bowl switcheroo.  Did NOT want to offend our hosts. 

I don't blame you-I bet the shock was difficult to mask, but am sure you did it with poise.  It makes partaking of snails seem like a parfait. lol

[Tamikosmom]

thanks Janet and Good Morning to all, Monks and Guests.  I now who is paying any private attorney..............Anita is claiming she can't even buy a ticket to Peru?   What happened to the Dutch news group that was supposed to be there with her?

Again ... I am hoping for a miracle.

Could it be Anita has come to a point where she no longer has the inner strength to continue abetting her son in wrongdoing by protecting him from the consequences of his actions?

Think about it.  If a minor Joran was held accountable for the crimes against the person of Natalee Holloway in 2005 ... lessons regarding consequences for choosing to defy the legal boundaries of a civilized society would have been learned and ... the Natalee Holloway story would have been a distanced memory.

Instead Anita made the decision to protect her son from the consequences of his actions and to H--- with Natalee's anguish parents.  Those lessons in accountability that were not learned dictated that an out of control Joran decended deeper and deeper into a destructive lifestyle.  The end result ... the murder of Stephany Flores and ... a 21 year old young man is now facing consequences which pale to those he would have been afforded in 2005.

Janet

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[MisGivings]

Morning, Monksters!

Peru does not want Joran to gt any breaks or have the international press saying he received inadequate counsel.  That would account for the high profile attorney, IMO.

And don't forget--Fujumori is in jail!  This defense counsel did not get him off.

Some how or other I missed that Dave had already left Aruba.  That was fast.  Doesn't take Aruba long to say NO!  And they will never deem anything Joran says as credible.  But if TES was going to search at their own expense, what would it have hurt?  They really don't want Natalee found even though it continues to make them look totally incompetent and corrupt.

I think they fear the media if she is found and the effect it will have on what tourism they have but how much worse could it be?  Now most people just assume the worst.

If anyone books a trip to Aruba in light of what Joran has done, they need some serious help.
I think a warning about Aruba should be posted in every Travel Agents office.

[Ono]

remember this, what a contrast in prison conditions

Aug. 25: An exclusive look inside the prison where Joran Van Der Sloot, a suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway, is being held. NBC's Michelle Kosinski reports.
Date: 8/25/05
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/inside-look-at-aruba-prison/6563zyf

Thank you for that link-I had forgotten about this. 

[MisGivings]

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I am not going to bad mouth Melody for anything she is doing now. She probably needs the money from selling her story to maintain a decent life for herself and her beautiful little girl. I understand the child's father is a real loser. I doubt she would be doing this if Joran was the father of that child. Her story makes us wonder how such a 'good kid' could turn out to be such a heinous monster.

[MisGivings]

thanks Janet and Good Morning to all, Monks and Guests.  I WANT TO  Know who is paying any private attorney..............Anita is claiming she can't even buy a ticket to Peru?   What happened to the Dutch news group that was supposed to be there with her?

Wishing I could blame the omitted words and letters on my computer....but I can't!  LOL

My keyboard can't spell either!

[jill]

where's Joe Taco lately?

why is he not negotiating a sell of photos to the Today Show for Anita, ala Sindy Anthony?

[MisGivings]

So after about three months, Joran will go into the general population.  Oh, this is by design I am sure.  He may not last to stand trial.

As for the food, it is different in the Andean countires.  I was once very formally served a bowl of soup that had a chicken's foot in it complete with toenails and all.  I gave out a small, involuntary shreik in spite of myself.  It was just such a surprise.  And I know protein is protein and all that but I was startled to see it.

If he survives, Joran is going to have to adapt and fast.

I wonder who is going to give him money for food once he gets into the general population? If his own mommy won't find the means to even visit him, who else will send him funds? He will have to resort to eating scraps off the floor like the pig that he is.
I apologize to any real pig that may be reading this.

[SunnyinTX]

So after about three months, Joran will go into the general population.  Oh, this is by design I am sure.  He may not last to stand trial.

As for the food, it is different in the Andean countires.  I was once very formally served a bowl of soup that had a chicken's foot in it complete with toenails and all.  I gave out a small, involuntary shreik in spite of myself.  It was just such a surprise.  And I know protein is protein and all that but I was startled to see it.

If he survives, Joran is going to have to adapt and fast.

Anna when I first moved to Jamaica to work, I was served chicken feet soup too....no frigging way...but many Caribbean cultures and South American cultures have chicken feet soup..............ugh!!

What does it taste like?

LOL...surely you don't think I ate it!  LOL.....but I am told it's very good..and if they take the feet out no one would know any difference.

[Anna]

Sunny, in some article posted here it said the judge could appoint a private attorney as well, not just a public defender.  So I guess that is what they will do since the question of adequate counsel has been raised.

At least, if one is court appointed maybe people won't threaten to kill him since he would have no say in the matter.  But isn't it ironic that the very one who was saying Joran didn't have adequate counsel for his confession is now not wanting any part of it all.  Guess he never thought about no one else would want the job, either.

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[msmarple]

Just a comment on the “chicken feet” soup … I come from a part of the U.S.A. where people (not me) eat pig feet, pickled. And other pig parts I won’t go into. Nothing surprises me.

Apparently fowl feet are used for seasoning in many parts of the world. In Asia, or China anyway, duck feet are used. That is a part of the world where absolutely nothing is wasted.

I believe there is substantial nutritional value.

[SunnyinTX]

The casino owner is also a friend of the Flores family per one of the sons.  I agree with you None....however, if Stephany had come from a non-influential family I don't think they would have been given the same considerations and attention.  In fact, joran would probably have gotten away scott free.  I hate that money and influence determines how people are treated....but it's that way all over at times....  As you say aruba set the tone....and that tone will be an echo that haunts their island til the ends of time....

I agree that being a family of influence helped significantly, money and influence also can determine the outcome of a trial. So perhaps Joran and Anita will feel that come full circle now, for I don't think he has a ghost of a chance to avoid a conviction or to be extradited to Aruba prior to serving out his sentence in Peru and then the US has next call on his sorry self with the extortion charges.

If the Holiday Inn staff noted Joran was known for preying on female tourists to Beth right away, then the Aruba LE should have taken that as a call to action.

There is a big difference between protecting "your own" if they have unblemished pasts as did Stephany, and protecting a known predator of sorts as Aruba did.

I totally agree...and had the management of the Holiday Inn and the other casinos not allowed minors.....well you know....the fact that hs parents allowed him to go to casinos, gamble, have girls in his quarters.....all those events led to him being given free reign.....and he  to expect that he should not be told no....

[MisGivings]

just in case anyone thought charlierat had a change of heart.......

charlierat  PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:30 am         

Sultan wrote:


I know I would spend every last dime I had to find out what happen to my daughter. I think any normal parent would.
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charlierat  PostPosted
No doubt.

But I would also subject myself to third-party scrutiny if I crossed the line by fabricating evidence, attempting to influence witnesses, engaging in a unilateral media campaign based on lies and misreprestaations intended to smear and embarrass local law enforcement, and/or announced that I was on a secret mission planning my next attack against wherever it was that my daughter was last seen.

I may not appreciate the scrutiny but I would have to realize that I brought it on myself.

Thanks Sunny, he's defending his homeland again, the one he didn't visit for over 20 years lol

I found it interesting watching the subtitled interviews with Mr Flores, even before they knew a crime had been committed, the casino owner allowed Mr Flores to review the tapes. The LE was more than cooperative in leaping to assist, the Flores son's were checking every hotel and met with cooperation in that effort. Even when it was discovered Stephany was dead, the police allowed Mr Flores to have his daughter removed from the hotel room in a proper coffin and not a bodybag. With the indignity she suffered as Joran murdered her and even removing her clothing after, her father so needed for her remains to be handled with dignity.

If only Natalee's parents had been met when they arrived on the island with LE willing to assist, a casino owner willing to assist, and parents that didn't allow their son to talk about Natalee in front of her parents as if she were a slut and a sex object. How about treating her as a human?????

Aruba set the tone, Aruba willing became their adversaries right along with favored son Paulus and Joran. NONE of that was Beth's fault, not one iota.

It's called "cause and effect" Charlierat, something any non-psychotic attorney would well know. You need far bigger credentials than you have to make any qualified statements of value.

I have to wonder if Charlierat has the gumption to write the types of things he has about Stephany's character as he has Natalee's? Or her father or mother as he has Beth?

I'm betting he doesn't.........

The casino owner is also a friend of the Flores family per one of the sons.  I agree with you None....however, if Stephany had come from a non-influential family I don't think they would have been given the same considerations and attention.  In fact, joran would probably have gotten away scott free.  I hate that money and influence determines how people are treated....but it's that way all over at times....  As you say aruba set the tone....and that tone will be an echo that haunts their island til the ends of time....

All my life I have known there is a different set of rules for the rich and the poor.

[Jesdamala]

So after about three months, Joran will go into the general population.  Oh, this is by design I am sure.  He may not last to stand trial.

As for the food, it is different in the Andean countires.  I was once very formally served a bowl of soup that had a chicken's foot in it complete with toenails and all.  I gave out a small, involuntary shreik in spite of myself.  It was just such a surprise.  And I know protein is protein and all that but I was startled to see it.

If he survives, Joran is going to have to adapt and fast.

Anna when I first moved to Jamaica to work, I was served chicken feet soup too....no frigging way...but many Caribbean cultures and South American cultures have chicken feet soup..............ugh!!

What does it taste like?

LOL...surely you don't think I ate it!  LOL.....but I am told it's very good..and if they take the feet out no one would know any difference.

Chicken feet are used by many cultures! 

http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/how_to_make_stock_from_chicken_feet/

Still, would not appeal to me to actually see in my soup!  Just one of the many things Joran will have to get used to, if he is lucky enough to get real soup!

[klaasend]

The newest NE (thanks to SAN):

[Ono]

Perhaps Anita doesn't want to face Joran for fear he just might ask her:
"Mother, why didn't you let me take my punishment in 2005?"

[Ono]

Just a comment on the “chicken feet” soup … I come from a part of the U.S.A. where people (not me) eat pig feet, pickled. And other pig parts I won’t go into. Nothing surprises me.

Apparently fowl feet are used for seasoning in many parts of the world. In Asia, or China anyway, duck feet are used. That is a part of the world where absolutely nothing is wasted.

I believe there is substantial nutritional value.

Thanks-I think I would have to forego the vitamins/minerals! lol  The visual presentation would be too much for me. lol

[MisGivings]

I just looked at the picture of Joran's new lawyer, and it looks like he is saying, 'Oh, please judge, do you really think I can defend a slimeball such as he?'

[klaasend]

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/asina-joran-a-yora-pa-su-mama/



Through translator:

so joran owing to cry before her mam

 publication: diahuebs, 17 june 2010. categoria: general

 prensa_peru_mamitaaaa___oranjestad (aan): this is the contenido by one corant at peru, cu owing to indicate claramente con hour cu the is in problem, the first person cu the is follow be called is her mam. first cu past owing to worde interoga door by autoridad peruvian, joran van der sloot owing to succeed talk cu her mam, y pidie for her come rapido close dje. not despite this, at present already everybody know cu esey not owing to socede at once, because cu diahuebs week happen at night self, the mam was in celebrate by gala by bollywood provided that conexion cu aruba international film festival. several person is insisti, cu the mam is inocente. esey claramente is the mature. also is being indicate cu if acaso joran does not owing to hurt the mam, by con the not owing to think esey hour cu the was comete her fechoria cu natalee y cu stephany? daily paper owing to remain asombra, con prensa south americano owing to cuminza take make a note by the news here. the is casi all day in prensa by lima, y even at corantnan at chile have informe is depart all day by dje. prensa peruvian at present even is vigila y monitor all at night, the transmision by canalnan by hln by merca cu nancy grace, because also the show by bill o’reilly y on the record by greta van susteren on fox news channel.