Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Bearlyhere]

Remember this guy?

Yes, thanks Carpo!

[Bearlyhere]

Well, you know what, Klaasand, if she's different behind the scenes and compromises her beliefs for ratings, then that says something about her character, too.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Isn't she a defense attorney? 

[MisGivings]

Broadside: van der Sloot's confession

(NECN) - The case against Joran van der Sloot is drawing tighter and tighter. But his confession to the murder of a college student in Peru could be just the beginning of his problems.

Attorney Wendy Murphy joins Jim Braude to discuss what's missing from van der Sloot's confession, and whether there will ever be justice for Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

http://www.necn.com/06/14/10/Broadside-van-der-Sloots-confession/landing.html?blockID=253594&feedID=4215

[crazybabyborg]

Well, you know what, Klaasand, if she's different behind the scenes and compromises her beliefs for ratings, then that says something about her character, too.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Isn't she a defense attorney? 

Yes, she's a defense attorney and was a law professor at Georgetown. I honestly think she thinks like a defense atty, and that's a unique breed. I remember her well from OJ's days.

[Bearlyhere]

Kidnapping is somewhat common in Peru. They pick a victim and then take him to an ATM machine. That's all. I read that in a UK embassy document.

Stephany's Dad alluded to that in the interview he did.

That is one of the reasons that stephany had a debit card with 2 or 3 thousand dollars in case if she is victim of those fast kidnaps.

Is it because of who she is?

In Peru does not exist media class or you are rich or you are poor. Most parents open accounts for their kids just in case if they are kidnapped (most of the time they dint kill you in those fast kidnapings). My dad used to do the same with us. Parents in Peru are very protective.

That is frightening.  The kids ransom themselves?  Stephany's Dad said they were waiting for the phone call.  CBB, you thought the animals in your woods were bad.  Holy smackers!

 

well now is not to bad. You should not go to bad places, you just interact always with the same people  and go to the same places. Most of the time they intercept their victims and take them to all the ATM's can get money. when you don't have a Penny en your account they let you go.

Oh, that's just awful!  You would think the prison system would be a deterrent.

[crazybabyborg]

Forgive me if I've missed something, but I'm beginning to think that Beth isn't in Peru. There's been no media attention to it if she is.

[BUCKSHOT]

My feeling about Greta's show: She is up to something.
Seems like she has a completely different take on this case nowadays.
Me gets the impression that she is not on the best of terms with Beth.

She reports it as matter of fact vs the great passion she had early on...
Keeps hammering the FBI, for some reason. Strange.

[carpe noctem]

ARUBA: PAY TO SLAY?

On August 8, 2006, FOX News reported Aruban prosecutors had to pay Paul van der Sloot compensation for being detained:

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday they will appeal an order to compensate a man detained in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.

A judge on the Dutch Caribbean island ruled on July 28 that the prosecutor’s office should pay $30,190 to Paulus van der Sloot, a former justice official in Aruba who was detained in the case for three days, for defamation and legal fees.

“The public prosecutor’s office does not agree with the amount granted, since this is much higher than usual,” spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said.


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VAN DER EEM VIDEO 2008

I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking the bitch. I was like, ‘what’s wrong with you man?’ I almost wanted to cry. Why does this shit have to happen to me?” When Van der Eem asked him if he really knew if Natalee was dead, as she could have still been alive, Joran looked perplexed, then nodded his head in agreement and said, “Yeah, that’s possible.” Then Joran went as far as declaring, “I’m done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check.”


http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010/06/joran-van-der-sloot-before-and-after-families-whose-child-might-be-a-murderer/

[Ono]

Where's the media attention to the stuff that's really relevant???

WHY can't they put together the obvious? Aruba stayed true to form and tipped Joran off. ALE could have hauled him to jail immediately based on the info that he knew where Natalee was buried as part of the laughable continuing investigation of Natalee's murder.

Why the tortured winding road that the FBI is somehow responsible?

Isn't there an investigation?  Why wouldn't she wait until that is complete?  I have heard different versions.  Does she really think LE in Aruba is going to change their spots now?  Does she have a time share in Aruba, too?

I think she's hoping for an Anita interview ...

She better have riot gear then or have a big umbrella that will stop spit-covered lettuce heads, heck, they may be up to watermelons by now.

Would you be interested in hearing her?

No-not at all. 

[billb's daughter]

It's over.

I thought that maybe Beth went to Peru with Greta......... are we sure Beth went to Peru?

Still catching up so don't know what's ahead yet...
But I gotta comment on greta...I thought it was a lousy interview BECAUSE the questions were embarrassing and offensive (to me)...
How does anyone ask those questions to a family that just now facing the lose of a daughter/sister/brother?
What a Strong family....my heart goes out to them and they are a remarkable family...no hatred....struggling to put sense to why and at the same time offering any help they may provide to Beth....they have definitely changed my perception of what life can be like in Peru.....America can take notes on how much family means in the face of tragedy..

[BUCKSHOT]

Peru seems rather lax on murders. Not the biggest deal in the world to them.
Surprised to hear lack of hatred for Joran. Very non-judgmental.

Flores family seemed very compassionate. Considerate of Holloway feelings.
Also, seemed willing to negotiate information about Aruban case for lighter sentence(for Joran).

He very well could be calling in his favors, behind the scenes, while acting calm on the surface to media.
Instructing prisoners to sodomize Joran on a daily basis with broom handles.
Give him "swirleys" in feces infested toilets. Poisoning his food with poop.

[Bearlyhere]

Well, you know what, Klaasand, if she's different behind the scenes and compromises her beliefs for ratings, then that says something about her character, too.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Isn't she a defense attorney? 

Yes, she's a defense attorney and was a law professor at Georgetown. I honestly think she thinks like a defense atty, and that's a unique breed. I remember her well from OJ's days.

Always thinking of a way to get someone off.

[Ono]

Did anyone notice early in the Greta interview when the man she was talking to was reading the legal documents and stated something to the effect of Joran was willing to tell now where Natalee's body is?  Greta said - Huh, big of him -

It may be a little late for Greta to be on the bandwagon now and if I were her, I would be ashamed to ever see Beth again after being her BFF and then snuggling up to Joran.

Me too.  And I thought it nervy that Greta took it upon herself to pretend to speak for Beth while bashing the FBI at the same time.

[Frank]

Monday, July 24, 2006
"You're own father, unbelievable."
Could Karin Janssen be so wrong that arresting 9 people with charges from rape to murder to premeditated murder to kidnapping be just completely made up?

Things seem to get awfully quiet when the picture of Paulus at the casino talking with Natalee came out. It knocked Joe Tacopina (who when asked about it, did not deny it, he said "Paulus has admitted to being in the casino") off the air and Steve Cohen vanished after saying he'd look into it. No more Arlene "she just vanished" Schippers, relative of Guido "heavy battery" Wever.

Of all the types of people sitting next to Natalee, it's not a woman, it's not a black person or a fat person or someone in typical tourist clothes. It's someone who not only is wearing the white dress shirt so many of the Dutch elite wear in Aruba but someone who you can't say is not Paulus Van der sloot. A coincidence?

Deepak to Joran, "you're own father, unbelievable."

And Anita van der sloot was quoted as saying that Joran said to her, "if you were home, this wouldn't have happened."

What wouldn't have happened?

The charges against Paul Van der sloot were: Suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

What does that mean to you? What words jump out?

Premeditated and containment with the dead as consequence.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

When the van der sloots made their publicity tour they used the word "consensual" over and over again, as if to admit there was some type of sex but it was consensual. And from what we've seen in Aruba, even if Natalee was found, it could have been argued that there was no proof that it wasn't consensual, even with Joran and the Kalpoes.

But how to explain evidence of Paulus Van der sloot? That would be much more difficult and seems to necessitate that she wasn't found. That no amount of revenue loss to your precious kitty could be worse.

So what's more damaging, a blog that calls Paulus Van der sloot a rapist or a prosecutor that brings Paulus in twice on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence?

"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened."
"you're own father, unbelievable."

And Paul van der sloot advises the Kalpoe's and Joran, "no body, no case" while he's a paid employee of Aruba working in the prosecutors office? They must have some powerful Union. Hey, they do. And it ain't the people washing towels in the hotels. It's the Police Union.

"These officers are all my friends." Paul Van der sloot.

The pre-meditation charge was immediate, even against the security guards. Makes you wonder how they knew so quickly, without evidence, that premeditation is involved? And of course it's absurd to consider the racist element since 2 black guys faces were flashed on the screen in the early days followed by a beautiful picture of Natalee. You guys in Aruba were actually much better at this spin than you've been when it didn't catch on. Yeah, preying on those deep seeded feelings. Very good, subliminal. But nobody bought it.

Just when did the premeditation start?

Why is it so hard to even utter the words that this is a sex crime, a hate crime against Natalee. Her parents cannnot bring themselves to even utter the details regarding Joran's early statement about Natalee's anatomy.

To incapacitate a woman by drugging her for the purposes of sex is without accurate words in it's violence. But in Aruba, it seems common knowledge. What kind of sick mind can rationalize this behavior, what kind of savage person can even commit a sex act with a woman they've drugged? Ah, hey Dad, is it normal that I get a hard-on while watching Bangbus? Ever have one of the talks Paulus with your son? But then, who would be asking the question you or him?

These are dangerous people, and yet the same suspects are out partying again, Aruba once again looking the other way, the same lack of concern that took Natalee's life and nothing has changed.

The adults in Aruba play politics while the boys raised on porn roam free full of the misogny these adults spawned. The adults made the money on porn, at the expense of the kids, nothing but actors, bubblegum porn stars. Interesting the Kalpoe's and Van der sloots have no sisters, the only female role models being the mother's and tourists coming to have some fun, as if that's all women are? It's a warped perspective and add to that the fact that these guys had access to the internet and fed their minds with Bangbus and faux gangsta and pimp images. For as many hours as kids of my generation watch TV. I was watching baseball and Carvel commercials while these guys are watching girls get fucked and dropped on the beach.

"you're own father, unbelievable." "If you were home, this wouldn't have happend." "I dropped her at the hotel, I dropped her at the beach, Deepak picked me up, Satish picked me up" and on and on.

"That will not give Natalee back" Anita Van der sloot
"No body, no case" Paul van der sloot
"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened" Joran Van der sloot

Quite the gracious family aren't they, the Van der sloots?

Murder, premeditated murder, kidnapping, rape, heavy battery and complicity to kidnapping and intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

And the media still calls it the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Was all that necessary to make her disappear? At least tell us she didn't suffer.

Those same people who complain about slander are themselves guilty of the same thing. Slander is a legal term, decided in a court of law, and to threaten someone because they engage in slander, is hypocrisy from the "innocent until proven guilty robots."

The raping and murdering Van der sloots, the Dutch Van der sloots. Oh wait, you can't call Dutch people Dutch, it offends them. You thought Germans suffered, unnecessarily, from an insecure guilty consciounce?

And all the sensitive bloggers and the phony caring. What it really is is after the fact masochism to absorb some pain in your own life and live with it because you want to feel it has purpose, but it's really just inactive.

Look at the charges and think for just one moment about a picture of Natalee, ponder how you feel.

Then look at the Van der sloots. If you don't understand what I mean than you're lost in a decorum that weakens the group, you're like weeds.

How has it affected your own life? Can you just handle the pain of tragedy more, do you use Natalee to bash others, other countries, anything unrelated to this particular savagery?

The soulless say there are millions of cases like this, so we should ignore all of them?

This case should open your eyes to seeing the misogny and predatory behaviour everywhere all around you. How far removed are we from when girls were precious? There was even the basic human decency.

We now have people roaming free who drug, rape and kill a girl with so much promise and they see it as a "problem" or "situation" or "incident?"

And you can meet the price for Joe Tacopina's own brand of cheerleading, a paid actor. Like being confused that a group of people would pay Cameron Diaz $20 million to do a movie? Is that good or bad?

And we should follow some decorum or politcally correct speech? If you heard about the word karma, but maybe never really felt it, this is it.

Imagine Natalee in your mind and then see the words, premeditated murder, rape, premeditated kidnapping, heavy battery and intention containment of the dead as consequence and you need a f***ing judge in Curacao to tell you what to do?

Get the f*** out of the way.

Do you think someone who absorbs that image and it's consequences, it's kharma is afraid of anyone? Someone who's given their life to raise decent kids, do you think they give a shit about offending someone?

Nobody enjoys this, nobody doesn't want this to end, but it must be dealt with and not left like the millions of half finished things in your life.

Only the truth will bring people together, not flowery platitudes and "proper" speech.

Theres more risk in willing to do anything, to bring balance, justice.

karma:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/freenet/rootdir/menus/sigs/religion/buddhism/introduction/truths/karma2.html

posted by Deetch at 5:57 PM
Arubadirtypolice

[BUCKSHOT]

While watching some of the shows this evening:
(1) Joran signed documents with his right hand.
(2) Left hand did not look swollen: (a) while declaring his possessions, nor (b) with coffee.

He may have punched a wall, near to the time he banged his head (elevator).

Am I dead wrong here? I was trying to take careful notice.
If I am, no big deal. Joran has given 35 years to debate this with myself.

[Ono]

Also, didn't the officials in Aruba show again, just today (not to mention their letting him leave that island when they knew the FBI was closing in on him) that nothing has changed there by postponing/cancelling a meeting with Dave Holloway; still jerking him around and evading dealing with Natalee's case. (or did I misunderstand what happened, which could have happened as I don't understand their system)

Yes-it's the same old roller coaster.

[billb's daughter]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

[klaasend]

Looks like the judge has granted a 3 month extension for the Kalpoes to come to LOS ANGELES to give their depositions.  This is actually great in light of the recent events.  It will give the Kalpoes three more months to sweat about it. 

[Tylergal]

That is one of the sweetest families ever-Greta was revolting, but they handled her interview with complete grace.   Her questions & attitude were just awful.  [ Someone should tell her that Scared Monkeys has discovered that Joran left Aruba on May 10th it appears. ] 

I just cannot believe she put them on the spot regarding the FBI, as well.  I've had it with her.  She makes Barbara Waa Waa's awkward interviews seem like a cakewalk. Ugh!

I couldn't help but wonder if when she googled Joran's name, SM came up.

Then it probably did for sure.  Right now the major networks are coming up alot because they have been all over the news. 

SM knew Nat was the big story... long ago ... in a land far far away.

We were Justice for Natalee before Justice for Natalee  was `cool`

The voice of those who have been silenced, big story or not.  It is not always pretty to be on the side of the innocent.  Those who are guilty throw stones all over the place, while trying to blame the victim.

I really miss Peaches tonight.

Somewhere Peaches is rejoicing that justice has come.  What a strong woman, that Peaches.

[Tylergal]

Remember this guy?

LOL Natalee looks like Chrissy Evert in the guy's painting.

I think he did a great job and she looks like an angel.

I also like how he smeared chit all over Paulus` face.

HE really did a wonderful job.  God bless Natalee.  She really is beautiful, still is.  I know somewhere she is even prettier tonight than she was the last time Beth saw her.