Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Tylergal]

I have to share a quick story....this morning when I got to work I signed on to SM, posted and then I went to the back office to say good morning to my agents...when I walked in on them (10) they were having a discussion about Natalee and Stephany and saying what a POS Joran is. I just stood there with a SMILE on my face and told them, Now this is how I like to start my mornings at work and lol.
We had a 10 minute discussion about Stephany's case and a 8 minutes discussion about Natalee's because we were interrupted by clients.

Now there understand why I walk around with my, Where is Natalee?, bag.

pb

Thank you for sharing a very charming story about your day and your love for Natalee.  You are very special!

[Northern Rose]

"Joran harming our image '
 
With the media coverage of Joran van der Sloot is the image of the Netherlands abroad have not improved. Time for crisis, find image strategist Albert Roele.

"The longer the media attention for Van der Sloot in the United States lasts, the more harmful it is for the image of the Netherlands abroad," said strategist Albert Roele image. Aruba tourism after 2005 saw the U.S. drastically reduced after the Holloway case in the news. "That would, in the Netherlands could happen if this long by nags. A bad image due could have that our country less attractive to tourists. Conservative traders in the U.S. will likely prefer their investment somewhere else. "

News about the Netherlands as "the Sodom and Gomorrah of Europe" was also the hype surrounding Joran already snapped up in conservative circles in the U.S.. Also Geert Wilders, who last year in the American media spoke about an unsafe Netherlands, does not contribute to the image of our country there, find Roele. "In the case Joran is a certain image of the Dutch legal system that not true."

This must be put right through crisis, says the image strategist. "The Netherlands would open diplomatic relations with business to give to reduce damage. The events should be placed in perspective and if mistakes are made, they should be admitted. This process takes time, but ultimately the image may be adjusted again. "

Now the FBI in the case of Van der Sloot appears to be involved, it takes the attention continued even in the serious media in the U.S.. "This story is a cross between a horror and exciting James Bond," says American expert Willem Post. "The news about Joran is irresistible to U.S. media. Any U.S. citizen can identify with the affected parents. "

Post thinks especially of Aruba will suffer more bad publicity. "Americans just do not quickly make the link between Aruba and the Netherlands. They see it as an island rather than half-American half-Dutch. Only whole conservative media like Fox News might be the link between a weak legal system in the Netherlands and the events in South America. "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will now see no reason to go to crisis.

http://blog.spitsnet.nl/2010/06/15/joran-schaadt-ons-imago/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[klaasend]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

Yeah I felt it here too.  El Centro huh?

[Shell]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

OT
This one made a lot of noise,...was really weird. It knocked a bird out of its nest on the deck, poor little thing, it kept flying into the glass. It settled down when I went out there.

[Tylergal]

I see John Ludwick's facebook is private now

Stupid fool gets on TV and advertises to people all over the world because NG is carried in many countries and then he is nitwit enough to make his FB private after his big expose.  That sounds like something his buddy Joran would do.  How stupid!

[billb's daughter]

That is one of the sweetest families ever-Greta was revolting, but they handled her interview with complete grace.   Her questions & attitude were just awful.  [ Someone should tell her that Scared Monkeys has discovered that Joran left Aruba on May 10th it appears. ] 

I just cannot believe she put them on the spot regarding the FBI, as well.  I've had it with her.  She makes Barbara Waa Waa's awkward interviews seem like a cakewalk. Ugh!

She has something up her azz.

Not her, too!

Since this started (FBI Sting, Stephany's death), I don't think either Beth or Dave have given her an interview. Maybe that's it?

[Ono]

I have to share a quick story....this morning when I got to work I signed on to SM, posted and then I went to the back office to say good morning to my agents...when I walked in on them (10) they were having a discussion about Natalee and Stephany and saying what a POS Joran is. I just stood there with a SMILE on my face and told them, Now this is how I like to start my mornings at work and lol.
We had a 10 minute discussion about Stephany's case and a 8 minutes discussion about Natalee's because we were interrupted by clients.

Now there understand why I walk around with my, Where is Natalee?, bag.

pb

That's neat!!

[IBE]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

Yeah I felt it here too.  El Centro huh?

I felt it too and I am way far away!

[Port Valerie]

That is one of the sweetest families ever-Greta was revolting, but they handled her interview with complete grace.   Her questions & attitude were just awful.  [ Someone should tell her that Scared Monkeys has discovered that Joran left Aruba on May 10th it appears. ] 

I just cannot believe she put them on the spot regarding the FBI, as well.  I've had it with her.  She makes Barbara Waa Waa's awkward interviews seem like a cakewalk. Ugh!

She has something up her azz.

Not her, too!

Since this started (FBI Sting, Stephany's death), I don't think either Beth or Dave have given her an interview. Maybe that's it?

Nor John Q Kelly, who once was a regular. I don't think she can go to Aruba either. Who there would talk to her?

She has to bash the FBI to remain relevant with her new audience. She has become a political pundit now.

[klaasend]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

Yeah I felt it here too.  El Centro huh?

I felt it too and I am way far away!

O/T - I posted over in Musings there have been over 10, maybe 14 small aftershocks too.  That's alot of action.

[IBE]

O/T
5.9 magnitude 22 miles SW of El Central (San Diego county) Southern California....
I've been in California since 1967, and have never felt so many earthquakes as I have in 2010.....

Yeah I felt it here too.  El Centro huh?

I felt it too and I am way far away!

only 4 miles deep.. that's pretty close to the surface Looks like it is part of that fault that has had it's problems in Baja

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqscanv/FaultMaps/116-33.html

[crazybabyborg]

O/T
You guys in California just kill me. I'm scared FOR you, even if you all take rumbles casually! It's miserably hot and humid here right now, but I guarentee it will be cool and crisp in the Fall! I volunteer to house any of you and can swear the earth has never rocked as long as I've been planted here! Come on over!

[Magnolia]

That is one of the sweetest families ever-Greta was revolting, but they handled her interview with complete grace.   Her questions & attitude were just awful.  [ Someone should tell her that Scared Monkeys has discovered that Joran left Aruba on May 10th it appears. ] 

I just cannot believe she put them on the spot regarding the FBI, as well.  I've had it with her.  She makes Barbara Waa Waa's awkward interviews seem like a cakewalk. Ugh!

She has something up her azz.

Not her, too!

Since this started (FBI Sting, Stephany's death), I don't think either Beth or Dave have given her an interview. Maybe that's it?

Jug said that the FBI has told Beth not to give any interviews.

[IBE]

its not it's

Tomorrow I take inventory of emergency food. I live in a confined space. No room to store stuff. Have 10 gallons of water but still not enough for weeks.

Sorry O/T

Keep up the Good Works Monkey Family

[IBE]

O/T
You guys in California just kill me. I'm scared FOR you, even if you all take rumbles casually! It's miserably hot and humid here right now, but I guarentee it will be cool and crisp in the Fall! I volunteer to house any of you and can swear the earth has never rocked as long as I've been planted here! Come on over!

Thanks but where I live to no evacuation route; sure love to come there though.

[carpe noctem]

"Joran harming our image '
 
With the media coverage of Joran van der Sloot is the image of the Netherlands abroad have not improved. Time for crisis, find image strategist Albert Roele.

"The longer the media attention for Van der Sloot in the United States lasts, the more harmful it is for the image of the Netherlands abroad," said strategist Albert Roele image. Aruba tourism after 2005 saw the U.S. drastically reduced after the Holloway case in the news. "That would, in the Netherlands could happen if this long by nags. A bad image due could have that our country less attractive to tourists. Conservative traders in the U.S. will likely prefer their investment somewhere else. "

News about the Netherlands as "the Sodom and Gomorrah of Europe" was also the hype surrounding Joran already snapped up in conservative circles in the U.S.. Also Geert Wilders, who last year in the American media spoke about an unsafe Netherlands, does not contribute to the image of our country there, find Roele. "In the case Joran is a certain image of the Dutch legal system that not true."

This must be put right through crisis, says the image strategist. "The Netherlands would open diplomatic relations with business to give to reduce damage. The events should be placed in perspective and if mistakes are made, they should be admitted. This process takes time, but ultimately the image may be adjusted again. "

Now the FBI in the case of Van der Sloot appears to be involved, it takes the attention continued even in the serious media in the U.S.. "This story is a cross between a horror and exciting James Bond," says American expert Willem Post. "The news about Joran is irresistible to U.S. media. Any U.S. citizen can identify with the affected parents. "

Post thinks especially of Aruba will suffer more bad publicity. "Americans just do not quickly make the link between Aruba and the Netherlands. They see it as an island rather than half-American half-Dutch. Only whole conservative media like Fox News might be the link between a weak legal system in the Netherlands and the events in South America. "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will now see no reason to go to crisis.

http://blog.spitsnet.nl/2010/06/15/joran-schaadt-ons-imago/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Why don`t you ask Joran if we are in crisis mode now?

(evil laugh)

I am crushing his head.



We`re at DEFCON 1, baby? Where the heck have you been?

[Port Valerie]

O/T
You guys in California just kill me. I'm scared FOR you, even if you all take rumbles casually! It's miserably hot and humid here right now, but I guarentee it will be cool and crisp in the Fall! I volunteer to house any of you and can swear the earth has never rocked as long as I've been planted here! Come on over!

You can come here, too, to Florida. It's hot and humid but will be cool and crisp in January or so. Of course we have these hurricane thingies. This year the winds may pick up grease balls from the gulf and lob them at our little pastel oceanfront houses. Talk about a mess.

[pinkbanana]

I have to share a quick story....this morning when I got to work I signed on to SM, posted and then I went to the back office to say good morning to my agents...when I walked in on them (10) they were having a discussion about Natalee and Stephany and saying what a POS Joran is. I just stood there with a SMILE on my face and told them, Now this is how I like to start my mornings at work and lol.
We had a 10 minute discussion about Stephany's case and a 8 minutes discussion about Natalee's because we were interrupted by clients.

Now there understand why I walk around with my, Where is Natalee?, bag.

pb

Thank you for sharing a very charming story about your day and your love for Natalee.  You are very special!

Thank you!

You are a VERY SPECIAL person monkey too. (hugs)

pb

[IBE]

Boy, maybe with all the misspellings and grammar mistakes maybe I am shook up. You two are closer though.

[billb's daughter]

Monday, July 24, 2006
"You're own father, unbelievable."
Could Karin Janssen be so wrong that arresting 9 people with charges from rape to murder to premeditated murder to kidnapping be just completely made up?

Things seem to get awfully quiet when the picture of Paulus at the casino talking with Natalee came out. It knocked Joe Tacopina (who when asked about it, did not deny it, he said "Paulus has admitted to being in the casino") off the air and Steve Cohen vanished after saying he'd look into it. No more Arlene "she just vanished" Schippers, relative of Guido "heavy battery" Wever.

Of all the types of people sitting next to Natalee, it's not a woman, it's not a black person or a fat person or someone in typical tourist clothes. It's someone who not only is wearing the white dress shirt so many of the Dutch elite wear in Aruba but someone who you can't say is not Paulus Van der sloot. A coincidence?

Deepak to Joran, "you're own father, unbelievable."

And Anita van der sloot was quoted as saying that Joran said to her, "if you were home, this wouldn't have happened."

What wouldn't have happened?

The charges against Paul Van der sloot were: Suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

What does that mean to you? What words jump out?

Premeditated and containment with the dead as consequence.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

When the van der sloots made their publicity tour they used the word "consensual" over and over again, as if to admit there was some type of sex but it was consensual. And from what we've seen in Aruba, even if Natalee was found, it could have been argued that there was no proof that it wasn't consensual, even with Joran and the Kalpoes.

But how to explain evidence of Paulus Van der sloot? That would be much more difficult and seems to necessitate that she wasn't found. That no amount of revenue loss to your precious kitty could be worse.

So what's more damaging, a blog that calls Paulus Van der sloot a rapist or a prosecutor that brings Paulus in twice on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence?

"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened."
"you're own father, unbelievable."

And Paul van der sloot advises the Kalpoe's and Joran, "no body, no case" while he's a paid employee of Aruba working in the prosecutors office? They must have some powerful Union. Hey, they do. And it ain't the people washing towels in the hotels. It's the Police Union.

"These officers are all my friends." Paul Van der sloot.

The pre-meditation charge was immediate, even against the security guards. Makes you wonder how they knew so quickly, without evidence, that premeditation is involved? And of course it's absurd to consider the racist element since 2 black guys faces were flashed on the screen in the early days followed by a beautiful picture of Natalee. You guys in Aruba were actually much better at this spin than you've been when it didn't catch on. Yeah, preying on those deep seeded feelings. Very good, subliminal. But nobody bought it.

Just when did the premeditation start?

Why is it so hard to even utter the words that this is a sex crime, a hate crime against Natalee. Her parents cannnot bring themselves to even utter the details regarding Joran's early statement about Natalee's anatomy.

To incapacitate a woman by drugging her for the purposes of sex is without accurate words in it's violence. But in Aruba, it seems common knowledge. What kind of sick mind can rationalize this behavior, what kind of savage person can even commit a sex act with a woman they've drugged? Ah, hey Dad, is it normal that I get a hard-on while watching Bangbus? Ever have one of the talks Paulus with your son? But then, who would be asking the question you or him?

These are dangerous people, and yet the same suspects are out partying again, Aruba once again looking the other way, the same lack of concern that took Natalee's life and nothing has changed.

The adults in Aruba play politics while the boys raised on porn roam free full of the misogny these adults spawned. The adults made the money on porn, at the expense of the kids, nothing but actors, bubblegum porn stars. Interesting the Kalpoe's and Van der sloots have no sisters, the only female role models being the mother's and tourists coming to have some fun, as if that's all women are? It's a warped perspective and add to that the fact that these guys had access to the internet and fed their minds with Bangbus and faux gangsta and pimp images. For as many hours as kids of my generation watch TV. I was watching baseball and Carvel commercials while these guys are watching girls get fucked and dropped on the beach.

"you're own father, unbelievable." "If you were home, this wouldn't have happend." "I dropped her at the hotel, I dropped her at the beach, Deepak picked me up, Satish picked me up" and on and on.

"That will not give Natalee back" Anita Van der sloot
"No body, no case" Paul van der sloot
"If you were home, this wouldn't have happened" Joran Van der sloot

Quite the gracious family aren't they, the Van der sloots?

Murder, premeditated murder, kidnapping, rape, heavy battery and complicity to kidnapping and intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

And the media still calls it the disappearance of Natalee Holloway? Was all that necessary to make her disappear? At least tell us she didn't suffer.

Those same people who complain about slander are themselves guilty of the same thing. Slander is a legal term, decided in a court of law, and to threaten someone because they engage in slander, is hypocrisy from the "innocent until proven guilty robots."

The raping and murdering Van der sloots, the Dutch Van der sloots. Oh wait, you can't call Dutch people Dutch, it offends them. You thought Germans suffered, unnecessarily, from an insecure guilty consciounce?

And all the sensitive bloggers and the phony caring. What it really is is after the fact masochism to absorb some pain in your own life and live with it because you want to feel it has purpose, but it's really just inactive.

Look at the charges and think for just one moment about a picture of Natalee, ponder how you feel.

Then look at the Van der sloots. If you don't understand what I mean than you're lost in a decorum that weakens the group, you're like weeds.

How has it affected your own life? Can you just handle the pain of tragedy more, do you use Natalee to bash others, other countries, anything unrelated to this particular savagery?

The soulless say there are millions of cases like this, so we should ignore all of them?

This case should open your eyes to seeing the misogny and predatory behaviour everywhere all around you. How far removed are we from when girls were precious? There was even the basic human decency.

We now have people roaming free who drug, rape and kill a girl with so much promise and they see it as a "problem" or "situation" or "incident?"

And you can meet the price for Joe Tacopina's own brand of cheerleading, a paid actor. Like being confused that a group of people would pay Cameron Diaz $20 million to do a movie? Is that good or bad?

And we should follow some decorum or politcally correct speech? If you heard about the word karma, but maybe never really felt it, this is it.

Imagine Natalee in your mind and then see the words, premeditated murder, rape, premeditated kidnapping, heavy battery and intention containment of the dead as consequence and you need a f***ing judge in Curacao to tell you what to do?

Get the f*** out of the way.

Do you think someone who absorbs that image and it's consequences, it's kharma is afraid of anyone? Someone who's given their life to raise decent kids, do you think they give a shit about offending someone?

Nobody enjoys this, nobody doesn't want this to end, but it must be dealt with and not left like the millions of half finished things in your life.

Only the truth will bring people together, not flowery platitudes and "proper" speech.

Theres more risk in willing to do anything, to bring balance, justice.

karma:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/freenet/rootdir/menus/sigs/religion/buddhism/introduction/truths/karma2.html

posted by Deetch at 5:57 PM
Arubadirtypolice

Frank.....I've always believed from the beginning what MN DAD pegged from the start:
PAULASS IS THE PERP!!!