Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[crazybabyborg]

ARUBA sucks

Anita sucks

Greta sucks

Paulus sucks

K1  sucks

K2  sucks

 

AND I hate them all!  <wink>

[Tylergal]

Joran signature comparison

On top - the Peru confession, next, the expired Dutch passport issued on Aruba, last Thailand exit visa.



Mr thinks that he was trying some kinda hocus pocus with the confession signature.

If the bottom two are his usual signature of his name-they are very disturbing indeed & clearly demonstrate what he's capable of, IMO.

I think his signature looks disturbing, probably much like the frame of mind he was in recalling the incident and the rage he is capable of.

[klaasend]

Posted by Resigned at RU when asked if Anita was in Peru yet:  lol

resigned wrote:


Supposedly Wednesday with a Dutch camera crew - but it won't be like those American camera crews that came to Aruba for Beth. This is different - they are Dutch - they will only cover her visit with the dignity and class that befits the mother of the most despised man in Peru at the moment.

Love Bowls will be set up at the airport only they will be in the shape of windmills to give them a special air of superiority over the standard hat passing.

[Northern Rose]

Mother of Joran Van der Sloot is worried about her son

Singular friendship. Fate brought together in the same wing of the Miguel Castro Castro Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, and Alejandro Trujillo Ospina Colombian hit man, alleged murderer of businesswoman Myriam Fefer. Both are also neighbors of the mayor of Coronel Portillo, Luis Valdez, charged with drug trafficking.

Trujillo and Van der Sloot talking and at times playing cards, the specialty of the Dutchman. Even joke. Trujillo tells you I'm a thug and a psychotic, "a criminal informant.

The same source also said that Van der Sloot refused to be visited by a fellow on Sunday. On the other hand has already agreed to be fed.

http://www.tvo-peru.com/2010/06/madre-de-joran-van-der-sloot-esta-preocupada-por-su-hijo/

[Lifesong]

Posted by Resigned at RU when asked if Anita was in Peru yet:  lol

resigned wrote:


Supposedly Wednesday with a Dutch camera crew - but it won't be like those American camera crews that came to Aruba for Beth. This is different - they are Dutch - they will only cover her visit with the dignity and class that befits the mother of the most despised man in Peru at the moment.

Love Bowls will be set up at the airport only they will be in the shape of windmills to give them a special air of superiority over the standard hat passing.

OMG.  That's the craziest thing I've read lately!  Dignity and class?  Befitting the mother of a double-murderer?  Windmills for begging funds from the public with an air of superiority?

Do these people even read what they write?? 

My word, resigned - you are not doing Anita any favors here.  Just sayin'.

[Northern Rose]

I wonder who the visitor was on Sunday that he would not see?

[klaasend]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/one-not-so-happy-island/


ONE “NOT SO” HAPPY ISLAND

    * June 15, 2010 – 5:57 am

As we all await the confession from Joran Van Der Sloot as to what he did with Natalee’s body, the focus of the Natalee Holloway case has shifted the eyes of the world back onto the island of Aruba. Much to the dismay of the islanders, in particular Aruban authorities.

As I write this, Dave Holloway is meeting with officials, I can’t be specific as to who. But, before he left this morning, he asked me if we could go to the place on the map that Joran drew, indicating where he now claims he put Natalee’s body. This hand drawn map I received from Joran’s friend Jaap, right before his house was raided in the Netherlands, is the last and the latest tale from JVS at to where he put Natalee’s body. How serious are authorities taking this map??? Or do they believe this is just another one of Van Der Sloot’s lies. A wild goose chase???. Whatever the case, Dave Holloway feels it has to be looked at — and wanted to do it himself.

So off we went to the location early this a.m. Dave really just wanted to get a feel for the place, perhaps a sense of whether or not his daughter’s body was there, and to see if this location could fit into his timeline of events. He wasn’t expecting to find an answer today — and we weren’t expecting to be followed.

When we arrived, I watched as Dave just stared into the location for a few minutes, and in his deep voice he theorized what could have happened, based on the latest information from the map. Then a car pulled up, which was odd, an islander, in a silver jeep. Dave and I were getting ready to leave to grab some batteries and some breakfast. This man approached us but didn’t say a word. Without revealing too much about the location — it took him an effort to get to us — so it was no coincidence he was there. As we walked to the car, Dave said “he’s following us.” I thought at first Dave was being paranoid, a distraught father looking for his daughter’s remains, one could only imagine would make the strongest of us cross over the edge. As we got into the car, he starred long and hard at us. In retrospect, I should have asked him what he wanted, but I’ve learned to avoid confrontation, especially in a foreign country, and I sensed Ddave’s urgency in wanting to get going. We got in our car and drove off, minutes later I saw his car in the rear view mirror. I turned right, he turned right, I stopped and spun around…he did the same. Now I realized Dave was telling the truth — we were being followed. After a few crafty moves under the stern guidance of Dave Holloway, we managed to elude our island friend. I’ll go on the record and say that if I hadn’t seen it myself I would never believed him.

I have no idea who he was/who he worked for or why he was following us or what he wanted. Dave says it to intimidate him, and it’s happened before. I don’t understand this. Why be mad at the father of the girl who was murdered on your island. Why not be mad at the guy who murdered his daugther instead?? Dave is not here to trash Aruba, or hold a press conference asking for a boycott. He doesn’t care. He wants one thing — his daughter’s body to take her home.

[Tylergal]

Posted by Resigned at RU when asked if Anita was in Peru yet:  lol

resigned wrote:


Supposedly Wednesday with a Dutch camera crew - but it won't be like those American camera crews that came to Aruba for Beth. This is different - they are Dutch - they will only cover her visit with the dignity and class that befits the mother of the most despised man in Peru at the moment.

Love Bowls will be set up at the airport only they will be in the shape of windmills to give them a special air of superiority over the standard hat passing.

Sometimes I think the posters at RU should be writers for some "unreality" show.

[Northern Rose]

A new lawyer
A new playmate that play cards and watch TV together (aerobics classes may be soon)
A new appetite
A trial that will take two years
A meeting with the Judge on Friday
Ditch Witch is coming tomorrow
Ditch Witch has no money to come

I think that sums up this morning.....

[jen3560]

Posted by Resigned at RU when asked if Anita was in Peru yet:  lol

resigned wrote:


Supposedly Wednesday with a Dutch camera crew - but it won't be like those American camera crews that came to Aruba for Beth. This is different - they are Dutch - they will only cover her visit with the dignity and class that befits the mother of the most despised man in Peru at the moment.

Love Bowls will be set up at the airport only they will be in the shape of windmills to give them a special air of superiority over the standard hat passing.

I really do like Resigned, LOL.  Seems he's getting his digs at the really nasty RU members who over the years have taken every pot shot at Beth that their tiny little minds could come up with.

[Tylergal]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/one-not-so-happy-island/


ONE “NOT SO” HAPPY ISLAND

    * June 15, 2010 – 5:57 am

As we all await the confession from Joran Van Der Sloot as to what he did with Natalee’s body, the focus of the Natalee Holloway case has shifted the eyes of the world back onto the island of Aruba. Much to the dismay of the islanders, in particular Aruban authorities.

As I write this, Dave Holloway is meeting with officials, I can’t be specific as to who. But, before he left this morning, he asked me if we could go to the place on the map that Joran drew, indicating where he now claims he put Natalee’s body. This hand drawn map I received from Joran’s friend Jaap, right before his house was raided in the Netherlands, is the last and the latest tale from JVS at to where he put Natalee’s body. How serious are authorities taking this map??? Or do they believe this is just another one of Van Der Sloot’s lies. A wild goose chase???. Whatever the case, Dave Holloway feels it has to be looked at — and wanted to do it himself.

So off we went to the location early this a.m. Dave really just wanted to get a feel for the place, perhaps a sense of whether or not his daughter’s body was there, and to see if this location could fit into his timeline of events. He wasn’t expecting to find an answer today — and we weren’t expecting to be followed.

When we arrived, I watched as Dave just stared into the location for a few minutes, and in his deep voice he theorized what could have happened, based on the latest information from the map. Then a car pulled up, which was odd, an islander, in a silver jeep. Dave and I were getting ready to leave to grab some batteries and some breakfast. This man approached us but didn’t say a word. Without revealing too much about the location — it took him an effort to get to us — so it was no coincidence he was there. As we walked to the car, Dave said “he’s following us.” I thought at first Dave was being paranoid, a distraught father looking for his daughter’s remains, one could only imagine would make the strongest of us cross over the edge. As we got into the car, he starred long and hard at us. In retrospect, I should have asked him what he wanted, but I’ve learned to avoid confrontation, especially in a foreign country, and I sensed Ddave’s urgency in wanting to get going. We got in our car and drove off, minutes later I saw his car in the rear view mirror. I turned right, he turned right, I stopped and spun around…he did the same. Now I realized Dave was telling the truth — we were being followed. After a few crafty moves under the stern guidance of Dave Holloway, we managed to elude our island friend. I’ll go on the record and say that if I hadn’t seen it myself I would never believed him.

I have no idea who he was/who he worked for or why he was following us or what he wanted. Dave says it to intimidate him, and it’s happened before. I don’t understand this. Why be mad at the father of the girl who was murdered on your island. Why not be mad at the guy who murdered his daugther instead?? Dave is not here to trash Aruba, or hold a press conference asking for a boycott. He doesn’t care. He wants one thing — his daughter’s body to take her home.

Fortunately for this author, Dave is a wise man who has seen the seedy side of Aruba.  Lest, they may have met with some unfortunate occurrence.

[jen3560]

Posted by Resigned at RU when asked if Anita was in Peru yet:  lol

resigned wrote:


Supposedly Wednesday with a Dutch camera crew - but it won't be like those American camera crews that came to Aruba for Beth. This is different - they are Dutch - they will only cover her visit with the dignity and class that befits the mother of the most despised man in Peru at the moment.

Love Bowls will be set up at the airport only they will be in the shape of windmills to give them a special air of superiority over the standard hat passing.

OMG.  That's the craziest thing I've read lately!  Dignity and class?  Befitting the mother of a double-murderer?  Windmills for begging funds from the public with an air of superiority?

Do these people even read what they write?? 

My word, resigned - you are not doing Anita any favors here.  Just sayin'.

Lifesong - I believe resigned is saying those things in jest, while calling out all the a$$e$ at RU who over the years have posted those exact things, in all seriousness, against Beth, the American media, etc.

[Lifesong]

Lifesong - I believe resigned is saying those things in jest, while calling out all the a$$e$ at RU who over the years have posted those exact things, in all seriousness, against Beth, the American media, etc.

Ha!  Thanks, Jen!  I don't know the personalities over there, I'm relieved to hear that was not serious.

(Still shaking my head at the thought though.)

[jen3560]

Wake up, Steph!!!!!!!!!!!  Aruban authorities are NOT going to "help" you or Dave.  They are not going to do anything to inevstigate Joran's latest claim - the Aruban authorities know where Natalee's remains are.  Ask Dolph Richardson about what he did with certain items recovered from the ocean floor.

Next time you see your friendly shadow in the silver jeep - put a sign in the back window of your car that says "Hello AHATA, how many of you are left from your Strategic Communciations Task Force from 2005?"

Then show him the universal single digit hand wave, and tell him that's from America.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/one-not-so-happy-island/


ONE “NOT SO” HAPPY ISLAND

    * June 15, 2010 – 5:57 am

As we all await the confession from Joran Van Der Sloot as to what he did with Natalee’s body, the focus of the Natalee Holloway case has shifted the eyes of the world back onto the island of Aruba. Much to the dismay of the islanders, in particular Aruban authorities.

As I write this, Dave Holloway is meeting with officials, I can’t be specific as to who. But, before he left this morning, he asked me if we could go to the place on the map that Joran drew, indicating where he now claims he put Natalee’s body. This hand drawn map I received from Joran’s friend Jaap, right before his house was raided in the Netherlands, is the last and the latest tale from JVS at to where he put Natalee’s body. How serious are authorities taking this map??? Or do they believe this is just another one of Van Der Sloot’s lies. A wild goose chase???. Whatever the case, Dave Holloway feels it has to be looked at — and wanted to do it himself.

So off we went to the location early this a.m. Dave really just wanted to get a feel for the place, perhaps a sense of whether or not his daughter’s body was there, and to see if this location could fit into his timeline of events. He wasn’t expecting to find an answer today — and we weren’t expecting to be followed.

When we arrived, I watched as Dave just stared into the location for a few minutes, and in his deep voice he theorized what could have happened, based on the latest information from the map. Then a car pulled up, which was odd, an islander, in a silver jeep. Dave and I were getting ready to leave to grab some batteries and some breakfast. This man approached us but didn’t say a word. Without revealing too much about the location — it took him an effort to get to us — so it was no coincidence he was there. As we walked to the car, Dave said “he’s following us.” I thought at first Dave was being paranoid, a distraught father looking for his daughter’s remains, one could only imagine would make the strongest of us cross over the edge. As we got into the car, he starred long and hard at us. In retrospect, I should have asked him what he wanted, but I’ve learned to avoid confrontation, especially in a foreign country, and I sensed Ddave’s urgency in wanting to get going. We got in our car and drove off, minutes later I saw his car in the rear view mirror. I turned right, he turned right, I stopped and spun around…he did the same. Now I realized Dave was telling the truth — we were being followed. After a few crafty moves under the stern guidance of Dave Holloway, we managed to elude our island friend. I’ll go on the record and say that if I hadn’t seen it myself I would never believed him.

I have no idea who he was/who he worked for or why he was following us or what he wanted. Dave says it to intimidate him, and it’s happened before. I don’t understand this. Why be mad at the father of the girl who was murdered on your island. Why not be mad at the guy who murdered his daugther instead?? Dave is not here to trash Aruba, or hold a press conference asking for a boycott. He doesn’t care. He wants one thing — his daughter’s body to take her home.

[jen3560]

Lifesong - I believe resigned is saying those things in jest, while calling out all the a$$e$ at RU who over the years have posted those exact things, in all seriousness, against Beth, the American media, etc.

Ha!  Thanks, Jen!  I don't know the personalities over there, I'm relieved to hear that was not serious.

(Still shaking my head at the thought though.)

YW!  I have kept up over there, it was a necessary evil at times for the Freebird blog.

[Tamikosmom]

I am very concerned about "Aruba" working with anyone. I don't trust anyone from Aruba and I sure how the Holloways are represented and someone is present when anyone from Aruba speaks with Joran.

I think it's insane for the contents of Joran's computer to be shared with "Aruban Authorities." I would hope John Kelly would have something to say about this.

Isn't it clear to everyone Aruba's MO is to find evidence and destroy it?

This so called "cooperation" makes me very uncomfortable. Aruba has no interest in prosecuting itself, or finding Natalee, there is nothing good in it for them.

It really is the Aruba Dirty Police and it still is that way.

Natalee Holloway uncles gets it.

Janet

++++++

THE PERSISTENCE ENDEAVOR

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372245;topicseen#msg372245


private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

Sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

[Gypsy DD]

A new lawyer
A new playmate that play cards and watch TV together (aerobics classes may be soon)
A new appetite
A trial that will take two years
A meeting with the Judge on Friday
Ditch Witch is coming tomorrow
Ditch Witch has no money to come

I think that sums up this morning.....

LOL..Yes it does!

My fav part..his new playmate tells Joran the the playmate is a thug and Joran is psycho!

[Ono]

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/one-not-so-happy-island/


ONE “NOT SO” HAPPY ISLAND

    * June 15, 2010 – 5:57 am

As we all await the confession from Joran Van Der Sloot as to what he did with Natalee’s body, the focus of the Natalee Holloway case has shifted the eyes of the world back onto the island of Aruba. Much to the dismay of the islanders, in particular Aruban authorities.

As I write this, Dave Holloway is meeting with officials, I can’t be specific as to who. But, before he left this morning, he asked me if we could go to the place on the map that Joran drew, indicating where he now claims he put Natalee’s body. This hand drawn map I received from Joran’s friend Jaap, right before his house was raided in the Netherlands, is the last and the latest tale from JVS at to where he put Natalee’s body. How serious are authorities taking this map??? Or do they believe this is just another one of Van Der Sloot’s lies. A wild goose chase???. Whatever the case, Dave Holloway feels it has to be looked at — and wanted to do it himself.

So off we went to the location early this a.m. Dave really just wanted to get a feel for the place, perhaps a sense of whether or not his daughter’s body was there, and to see if this location could fit into his timeline of events. He wasn’t expecting to find an answer today — and we weren’t expecting to be followed.

When we arrived, I watched as Dave just stared into the location for a few minutes, and in his deep voice he theorized what could have happened, based on the latest information from the map. Then a car pulled up, which was odd, an islander, in a silver jeep. Dave and I were getting ready to leave to grab some batteries and some breakfast. This man approached us but didn’t say a word. Without revealing too much about the location — it took him an effort to get to us — so it was no coincidence he was there. As we walked to the car, Dave said “he’s following us.” I thought at first Dave was being paranoid, a distraught father looking for his daughter’s remains, one could only imagine would make the strongest of us cross over the edge. As we got into the car, he starred long and hard at us. In retrospect, I should have asked him what he wanted, but I’ve learned to avoid confrontation, especially in a foreign country, and I sensed Ddave’s urgency in wanting to get going. We got in our car and drove off, minutes later I saw his car in the rear view mirror. I turned right, he turned right, I stopped and spun around…he did the same. Now I realized Dave was telling the truth — we were being followed. After a few crafty moves under the stern guidance of Dave Holloway, we managed to elude our island friend. I’ll go on the record and say that if I hadn’t seen it myself I would never believed him.

I have no idea who he was/who he worked for or why he was following us or what he wanted. Dave says it to intimidate him, and it’s happened before. I don’t understand this. Why be mad at the father of the girl who was murdered on your island. Why not be mad at the guy who murdered his daugther instead?? Dave is not here to trash Aruba, or hold a press conference asking for a boycott. He doesn’t care. He wants one thing — his daughter’s body to take her home.

Steph got a taste of what Natalee's family has had to endure from the beginning ...  Nothing has changed, has it?

[Anna]

Oh, my!  That Steph doesn't have a clue.  I thought he was up to speed on evrything but this reveals he isn't.  Poor Dave.

And as for things found on Joran's laptop, in his cxonfession, etc.  That will be the same deal as his video confession given in the deVries recordings.  Unless it can be verified with "real" (forensic?  who knows) evidence, Aruba will once again disregard it as they have everything Joran and done and said.


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[Shan1628]

I am very concerned about "Aruba" working with anyone. I don't trust anyone from Aruba and I sure how the Holloways are represented and someone is present when anyone from Aruba speaks with Joran.

I think it's insane for the contents of Joran's computer to be shared with "Aruban Authorities." I would hope John Kelly would have something to say about this.

Isn't it clear to everyone Aruba's MO is to find evidence and destroy it?

This so called "cooperation" makes me very uncomfortable. Aruba has no interest in prosecuting itself, or finding Natalee, there is nothing good in it for them.

It really is the Aruba Dirty Police and it still is that way.

I wouldn't even let Aruba LOOK at that laptop let alone TOUCH it.  I hope there is enough evidence against him without the laptop because it's about to go...."umm, oopsy...kinda broke your evidence, Peru.  Our bad."