Natalee Case Discussion #839 6/14/10 - 6/17/10

[Spock]

Clearly sleep deprivation, possibly 48 hours. Not permitted in US penal code but common in military prisons.

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Jo-Ann for filling in the missing piece of that time line.

Thanks again Klaas for posting the video clips.

Janet

[Edward]

Looks like he has a cigarette in his fingers where he walks out past the clerk too.
So that does line up as correct from images.

[Jo-An]

Timeline hotel, with pictures

05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room


08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee


08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee


08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups


8.36.27 Joran "knocks" on the door in front of the camera


08.39.46 Hotel employee opens his door


08.56.45 Joran leaves with his luggage

[Jo-An]

Oops, messed up my post!

This is the 8.35.50 picture!

[EURobert]

Yesterday's SBS6 JvdS-special. (Don't know if this was posted yet.)

http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=916193/langid=43/media=188405/

Have to watch it myself, so... Bye!

Thanks EURobert!

Not much news in this show; mostly a montage of all the video's that we've already seen in the different news media and sites (SM for instance).
The only two things that struck me were Stephany's father saying something like: When you get older you get prepared or used to the idea that your parents one day will die; but you are not in the least prepared to the death of one of your children. (And somewhat later he says that it is very, very difficult to bear this pain.)
The second thing was PRdVries saying that Beth was very upset when she heard this bad news - of the murder of Stephany. She was close to a nervous break down according to Peter de Vries.


Sorry that the show was in Dutch btw.

[Jo-An]

Oops, messed up my post!

This is the 8.35.50 picture!

[Edward]

No cigs

What is in the box ?

Nice watch

What no condoms ?? Again ?
Same thing that happened with Joran with Natalee.. No sex with Natalee because he had no condoms..
So I guess when he forgets the condoms he just murders the girl for fun.

I suppose Melody always carried her own.

[wingnut]

We haven't seen THIS one before, have we?

Thanks Jo-Ann

I think you just posted the missing link.

Could this image be the first first time that Joran left the room ... left the room to get coffee and pastrys?

The security video segment that has been shown doesn't make sense.  It reveals Joran leaving the room with two coffee cups ... closing the door and ... then immediately attempting to re-enter prior to getting assistance.

Klaas ... could you please repost the security video that reveals Joran with the coffee cups.

Thanks

Janet

+++++

At this point, Stephany would have already been murdered since his shirt has been changed.  Very plausible that he was leaving to get the coffee, though I personally think the empty coffee cups were days old and just a prop to support his alibi. He didn't know the cameras were there until he was already committed to the alibi/fake lockout/fake coffee run.

[EURobert]

Yesterday's SBS6 JvdS-special. (Don't know if this was posted yet.)

http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=916193/langid=43/media=188405/

Have to watch it myself, so... Bye!

Thanks EURobert!

Not much news in this show; mostly a montage of all the video's that we've already seen in the different news media and sites (SM for instance).
The only two things that struck me were Stephany's father saying something like: When you get older you get prepared or used to the idea that your parents one day will die; but you are not in the least prepared to the death of one of your children. (And somewhat later he says that it is very, very difficult to bear this pain.)
The second thing was PRdVries saying that Beth was very upset when she heard this bad news - of the murder of Stephany. She was close to a nervous break down according to Peter de Vries.


Sorry that the show was in Dutch btw.

And one other striking thing that was said by a journalist who had visited - dressed as a priest - Castro Castro: there is hardly any medical provision in Castro Castro. And that went as far as him seeing a guy walking around with his guts in his hands after being slit open with a knife in a fight or something.

[wingnut]

So now we have the whole timeline of the camera that's next to his door:

05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee
08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee
08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups
08.39.46 Hotel employee opens his door
08.56.45 Joran leaves with his luggage

05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
Sometime between here Joran murders Stephany
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee

08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee

I missed this entirely.  So, we did see video of him returning with the coffee?

[canoworms]

No cigs

What is in the box ?

Nice watch

What no condoms ?? Again ?
Same thing that happened with Joran with Natalee.. No sex with Natalee because he had no condoms..
So I guess when he forgets the condoms he just murders the girl for fun.

I suppose Melody always carried her own.

Those look like Ben Wa balls, used in " the Orient" to enhance sexual pleasure for women. Me thinks...
Selena

[canoworms]

http://www.google.com/search?q=ben+wa+balls&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
tons of links

[Edward]

Yes they are..
http://www.ehow.com/how_5114964_use-benwa-balls.html

[canoworms]

Edward how in the world do we know these things?
lol
I feel like I have lost my innocence in following the pursuits of Mr Van der Sloot...

[Edward]

ODD, that Joran would have these items in his possession. No ?

[Edward]

LOL..  I know what you mean.

[MisGivings]

Since one of the areas Dave was going to search again was the Monserat pond area, this headline caught my eye:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3726&offId=0

VARIOS POLIS A BAY MONSERAT PA UN BULULU FORMAL UNDA HASTA TIRO A CAY Y HASTA A HERIDA UN HOBEN NA SU PIA










Through translator:

several police owing to bay monserat before one bululu serious where even tiro owing to cay y even owing to injury one young at her leg

More pictures here.  Looks like maybe some kind of gang activity?

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18778-caso-serio-di-bringamento-di-gang-a-caba-cu-tiro.html

Looks like they found some marijuana plants there too.  Look through the photos at the 24ora link above.  Does this look like Renfro?

Yup, that would be Renho, wearing what looks to be her favorite island dress. One would think if you lived on a supposed island paradise, black would not be your color choice.
Maybe it was her house? Are those her kids? If so, LMFAO

[Tamikosmom]

So now we have the whole timeline of the camera that's next to his door:

05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee
08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee
08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups
08.39.46 Hotel employee opens his door
08.56.45 Joran leaves with his luggage

05.33.55 Joran and Stephany enter the room
Sometime between here Joran murders Stephany
08.13.34 Joran exits to get coffee

08.24.44 Joran returns with coffee


Joran van der Sloot's Graphic Murder Confession
June 15, 2010

Following the murder, van der Sloot left his hotel room and purchased two cups of coffee and some cake. He returned the room and ate breakfast over Flores' body.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Broadcast/caused-death-van-der-sloots-gory-peru-murder/story?id=10923141

 
08.35.50 Joran exits second time with (empty?) coffee cups

[canoworms]

ODD, that Joran would have these items in his possession. No ?

not if he spent time in Thailand...I read that some of them have mercury in one ball and a magnet in the other producing an electronic " charge" for the wearer....oh Lordy. Maybe it was his "contribution" to the pleasure part of the encounter with the woman.
Or to make up for the fact that he has no balls.
S