Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Blonde]

So as of June 4th 2005, the word was they took Natalee up to the LIGHTHOUSE (right near the rocks) and had sex with her. 

I still say that is what they did.  They raped Natalee or tried to and she ran.  Joran flew into a rage and killed her near the rocks.  What he/they did with her body after I don't know but I believe that rock area was a crime scene.

Some of Kalpoe testimony seems to lead to that conclusion as well and was it not around June 10 that the wild goose chase to the Light house after a confession soon withdrawn by a madman and his parents took place

IIRC -- one of the kalpoes (Deepak, I think) made the comment 'I never should have left him alone with the girl'

Anyone remember that (or have that quote saved?)

Happy Father's Day to all the daddy monkeys.

We are so much closer to Justice for Natalee, Justice for Stephany is on it's way.

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE & STEPHANY

But Aruban police did not detain Joran or his friends; instead, on June 5, they arrested Mickey John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, two former hotel security guards described to them by the three young men. John and Jones were held for eight days before being released. "I was trying to clear my name, but they wouldn't listen because of what those boys said about us," says John, who was still in jail when Joran and his friends were arrested June 9. Deepak Kalpoe was given the cell next to him, but since they could not see each other, "he didn't know I was one of the guards he had lied about," says John. John claims Kalpoe told him he made up the story about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn where she was staying. Instead, he and his brother dropped Joran and Natalee off near a different hotel, the Marriott, before going home. Around 3 a.m. that night, Kalpoe got a text message from Joran "saying that they needed to talk," says John. Joran never called him, but still Kalpoe "was very upset," claims John. "He said he should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20148066,00.html

[MisGivings]

Sorry, I had to look up a soccer score. Deperate ppl are out of range.
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The article that I posted somewhere in the many tags says that Joran is being charged with simple theft also. Mr. Flores says that they do not have the complete story as they have not opened the laptop and they have not talked to a new friend that Joran made in the casino the night that he met Stephany. Another poker player, named Erik. The family wants him charged high. Just from all that I have read, I think he was interested in Stephany because she had money and won big in the casino on May 28. If he knew she came from a family that had money, I think it could have been a robbery motive to begin with. We only have his word for the FB threat and if they were playing on line, whose money was used for credit ??   

Hopefully, the Judge will order that the laptop be analyzed tomorrow.
The first day of Spring, and another day of Hell for Joran.

[Jo-An]

Google translation.

Joran van der Sloot will not speak
Dutchman's lawyer says that will keep silent in the hearing tomorrow. The inmate's mother said that her son "is traumatized."

Netherlands seek to prolong the judicial process. (USI)
In silence. This will keep the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot in the interrogation that the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima held tomorrow for the murder of Flores Stephany Ramirez (21).

The foreign lawyer, Max Navarro Highness, said his client will not say a word until accepted for habeas corpus presented to the judiciary to override the police investigation. With this measure, HH Van der Sloot seeks to return to testify to the police with the presence of a prosecutor, a translator and self-defense.

Standby counsel argued before the judicial authorities that the Dutchman killed Stephany Flores pushed by a "violent emotion" and not theft. In this way, the alien may receive a lesser sentence to 15 years in prison.

The judicial examination has been scheduled for 10:00 am at the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where the Dutchman has been detained since 11 June.

LAWYERS COME. On the other hand, HH reported that within 15 days, arrive in the country foreign lawyers of Van der Sloot.

It was learned that among them would be Joseph Tacopina, who also defended the singer Michael Jackson when he was accused of sexual assault against minors. Tacopina defended Van der Sloot when he was tried for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway American girl in 2005.

"Not a monster." Meanwhile, Dutchman's mother, Anita van der Sloot, defended the innocence of his son in a letter written to the news network ABC. In the letter, the mother said that Joran "is not the monster that you would like (the media). " In addition, said his son is "traumatized, depressed and has an addiction."

The foreign parent imprisoned in Peru insisted that Joran van der Sloot "is not a murderer" and that the situation in which it is involved "sucks" because it is "a big trap against him." The Dutchman's lawyer denied that the mother or relatives of his client are arriving in the capital in the coming days.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/497848/joran-van-der-sloot-no-hablara?utm_source=PeruNewsFeed.com&utm_medium=twitter

[littletxlady]

Joran Van der Sloot may have killed Stephany Flores, says his mom: report

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/20/2010-06-20_joran_van_der_sloot_may_have_killed_stephany_flores_says_his_mom_report.html#ixzz0rOq2iZ2k

[klaasend]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/20/report-murder-suspect-van-der-sloot-mental-problems-mother-says/

Mother of Murder Suspect Van Der Sloot Says He Is 'Sick in His Head'


AMSTERDAM (AP) — Joran van der Sloot, the main suspect in the killing of a young woman in Peru last month and in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, has mental problems, his mother has told a Dutch newspaper in an interview.

"My son is sick in his head," De Telegraaf quotes Anita van der Sloot as saying.

She says he traveled to Peru to avoid being committed to a mental institution in Aruba, where the family lives.

(snipped)


Joran's current laptop may not have much information regarding the murder of Natalee Holloway but it likely will tell us how much of a liar Anita is and likely show those involved in Joran's escape to Peru (Anita, Renfro, Guillen, Medleyrelay, etc).  I just thought about that after Anita's statements in the press.  I have a feeling Peru won't be as kind to people that lie to them as Aruba was.

[littletxlady]

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/joran-van-der-sloot-may-be-responsible-two-more-murders-062010.html

Two other women were mysteriously disappeared in Columbia while Joran van der Sloot was there for the Latin American Poker Tournament, reports revealed on Saturday. Both women disappeared prior to van der Sloot's arrival in Peru.

The Dutchman has confessed to murdering a young Peruvian student, Stephany Flores, after meeting her in a casino.

Van der Sloot is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005. 

What's more disturbing?  The same Columbian women were, indeed seen with van der Sloot the day before they both vanished.    ????[/b]

[AZSunny]

ANITA VAN DER SLOTH:

"If only he had listened to his mother. Then this never would have happened. If he hadn't been so persecuted, maybe not either. It's: 'if, if if…' But if he killed Stephany, then he will have to carry the burden of that," she said. "I will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him. But he should get a fair trial. He is psychologically disturbed. That has to count for something, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloots-mother-son-stephany-flores/story?id=10961460&page=2

If Anita wishes in one hand and spits in the other, I bet she will find which is filled more quickly.

What does she mean, "i will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him.."  does that mean she literally can't hug him, or she can not 'embrace'/accept what he has done, so she won't see him? 

Reading the original interview, Anita literally means that she can't embrace/hug him - because she has no feelings/love for him anymore.
I think she meant to say: I don't want to visit him in prison, because I don't want to hug/embrace him.

Thanks Jo-an.    I was just rereading this again, and I think she means it as she can not support him anymore. Almost as in she had done all she can do for him, and he is on his own now. 

In the Telegraaf interview Anita told the paper she does not believe Joran killed Holloway.

"But if he killed Stephany, he'll have to pay the price. I won't visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him," she was quoted saying.

She said Joran's mental health had deteriorated steadily from the time of the Holloway disappearance. She attributed his decline in part to intense media scrutiny.

She told the paper he had called her several days before Flores' death.

"He said he was being followed. He had been arrested together with a girl and robbed. He was not making sense," the paper quoted her as saying.

"I can't cry for Joran like I did for Paul. I hope that he gets psychological help."

[klaasend]

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/joran-van-der-sloot-may-be-responsible-two-more-murders-062010.html

Two other women were mysteriously disappeared in Columbia while Joran van der Sloot was there for the Latin American Poker Tournament, reports revealed on Saturday. Both women disappeared prior to van der Sloot's arrival in Peru.

The Dutchman has confessed to murdering a young Peruvian student, Stephany Flores, after meeting her in a casino.

Van der Sloot is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005. 

What's more disturbing?  The same Columbian women were, indeed seen with van der Sloot the day before they both vanished.    ????[/b]

The only problem with this story about the Colombian girls is that it's gone nowhere.  So either there's no way it could be true or it's on the back burner.

[littletxlady]

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/joran-van-der-sloot-may-be-responsible-two-more-murders-062010.html

Two other women were mysteriously disappeared in Columbia while Joran van der Sloot was there for the Latin American Poker Tournament, reports revealed on Saturday. Both women disappeared prior to van der Sloot's arrival in Peru.

The Dutchman has confessed to murdering a young Peruvian student, Stephany Flores, after meeting her in a casino.

Van der Sloot is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005. 

What's more disturbing?  The same Columbian women were, indeed seen with van der Sloot the day before they both vanished.    ????[/b]

The only problem with this story about the Colombian girls is that it's gone nowhere.  So either there's no way it could be true or it's on the back burner.

I was wondering about that. I hadn't heard that he was seen with them. I had heard he was only at the airport or something.

[AZSunny]

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/joran-van-der-sloot-may-be-responsible-two-more-murders-062010.html

Two other women were mysteriously disappeared in Columbia while Joran van der Sloot was there for the Latin American Poker Tournament, reports revealed on Saturday. Both women disappeared prior to van der Sloot's arrival in Peru.

The Dutchman has confessed to murdering a young Peruvian student, Stephany Flores, after meeting her in a casino.

Van der Sloot is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005. 

What's more disturbing?  The same Columbian women were, indeed seen with van der Sloot the day before they both vanished.    ????[/b]

The only problem with this story about the Colombian girls is that it's gone nowhere.  So either there's no way it could be true or it's on the back burner.

Didn't the police chief in Columbia say that there were no missing women from that time frame? He had a news conference and announced that, I believe. 

[Tylergal]

ANITA VAN DER SLOTH:

"If only he had listened to his mother. Then this never would have happened. If he hadn't been so persecuted, maybe not either. It's: 'if, if if…' But if he killed Stephany, then he will have to carry the burden of that," she said. "I will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him. But he should get a fair trial. He is psychologically disturbed. That has to count for something, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloots-mother-son-stephany-flores/story?id=10961460&page=2

If Anita wishes in one hand and spits in the other, I bet she will find which is filled more quickly.

What does she mean, "i will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him.."  does that mean she literally can't hug him, or she can not 'embrace'/accept what he has done, so she won't see him? 

Reading the original interview, Anita literally means that she can't embrace/hug him - because she has no feelings/love for him anymore.
I think she meant to say: I don't want to visit him in prison, because I don't want to hug/embrace him.

Thanks Jo-an.    I was just rereading this again, and I think she means it as she can not support him anymore. Almost as in she had done all she can do for him, and he is on his own now. 

In the Telegraaf interview Anita told the paper she does not believe Joran killed Holloway.

"But if he killed Stephany, he'll have to pay the price. I won't visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him," she was quoted saying.

She said Joran's mental health had deteriorated steadily from the time of the Holloway disappearance. She attributed his decline in part to intense media scrutiny.

She told the paper he had called her several days before Flores' death.

"He said he was being followed. He had been arrested together with a girl and robbed. He was not making sense," the paper quoted her as saying.

"I can't cry for Joran like I did for Paul. I hope that he gets psychological help."

It's easy to see where Joran gets his propensity to tell lies rather than the truth:  Anita, who said she had not spoken with nor seen Joran since Paulus' death, then she says she spoke with him a few days before Stephany's death and still later, says she spoke with him leading up to and during his flee.  Then she tells everyone that Joran is innocent, that he is mentally ill, that she is going to Peru and does not go and then she says she is borrowing money to go and then we see she has Tacopino's crew already hired.

What's a person to believe from this bunch of lying bags from Aruba?  Do they expect us to believe something is wrong with us, or there is something in their water that makes them the most pathetic and gross liars in the universe?  Do they not know that we can see through their lies?  What about the fact that Tacopino is finished with Anita and Joran and yet his foot boy, Les Levine, has involved himself not only in the case in the background but a public television appearance.  Is there no end to the lies they tell?

[littletxlady]

http://www.gambling911.com/poker/joran-van-der-sloot-may-be-responsible-two-more-murders-062010.html

Two other women were mysteriously disappeared in Columbia while Joran van der Sloot was there for the Latin American Poker Tournament, reports revealed on Saturday. Both women disappeared prior to van der Sloot's arrival in Peru.

The Dutchman has confessed to murdering a young Peruvian student, Stephany Flores, after meeting her in a casino.

Van der Sloot is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from Aruba in 2005. 

What's more disturbing?  The same Columbian women were, indeed seen with van der Sloot the day before they both vanished.    ????[/b]

The only problem with this story about the Colombian girls is that it's gone nowhere.  So either there's no way it could be true or it's on the back burner.

Didn't the police chief in Columbia say that there were no missing women from that time frame? He had a news conference and announced that, I believe. 

Yes, I saw that but when I read this article I wasn't sure if something new had happened.
As usual I'm always a day late and a dollar short!

[Ono]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/20/report-murder-suspect-van-der-sloot-mental-problems-mother-says/

Mother of Murder Suspect Van Der Sloot Says He Is 'Sick in His Head'


AMSTERDAM (AP) — Joran van der Sloot, the main suspect in the killing of a young woman in Peru last month and in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, has mental problems, his mother has told a Dutch newspaper in an interview.

"My son is sick in his head," De Telegraaf quotes Anita van der Sloot as saying.

She says he traveled to Peru to avoid being committed to a mental institution in Aruba, where the family lives.

(snipped)


Joran's current laptop may not have much information regarding the murder of Natalee Holloway but it likely will tell us how much of a liar Anita is and likely show those involved in Joran's escape to Peru (Anita, Renfro, Guillen, Medleyrelay, etc).  I just thought about that after Anita's statements in the press.  I have a feeling Peru won't be as kind to people that lie to them as Aruba was.

I'm thinking the same Klaas-perhaps that is the main reason Anita isn't traveling to Peru--just yet-or if ever.  Also, any communication while in or exiting Peru ... hmmm ...

[Nut44x4]

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/10170-das-rules-out-dutchmans-role-in-colombians-disappearance.html

comments are interesting

[Tylergal]

If Anita has no intention to go to Peru, perhaps she could send Julia Renfro.  I am sure the residents at Miguel Castro Castro would appreciate a female journalist of her character and caliber.

[Tamikosmom]

But Aruban police did not detain Joran or his friends; instead, on June 5, they arrested Mickey John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, two former hotel security guards described to them by the three young men. John and Jones were held for eight days before being released. "I was trying to clear my name, but they wouldn't listen because of what those boys said about us," says John, who was still in jail when Joran and his friends were arrested June 9. Deepak Kalpoe was given the cell next to him, but since they could not see each other, "he didn't know I was one of the guards he had lied about," says John. John claims Kalpoe told him he made up the story about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn where she was staying. Instead, he and his brother dropped Joran and Natalee off near a different hotel, the Marriott, before going home. Around 3 a.m. that night, Kalpoe got a text message from Joran "saying that they needed to talk," says John. Joran never called him, but still Kalpoe "was very upset," claims John. "He said he should have never left the girl alone with the Dutch boy."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20148066,00.html

Deepak Kalpoe related to one of the security guards while they were both detained in the same period of time in June, 2005 that he was a participant along with Paulus van der Sloot and others in the collaboration of the Holiday Inn fabrication.

Considering the Holiday Inn fabrication was conveyed to Jug and Beth in the early hours of May 31, 2005, the meeting Deepak had with Paulus and others must taken place prior to the Twitty groups arrival at the VDS' residence.

Deepak had to have been aware that Natalee Holloway was deceased on May 30, 2005 or he would not have been a participant in a lie ... a lie that would be exposed if a live Natalee had turned up. 
__________

MICKEY JOHN

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
Wednesday, June 29, 2005

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

[littletxlady]

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/10170-das-rules-out-dutchmans-role-in-colombians-disappearance.html

comments are interesting

yes they certianly are! Thank you Nut

[Tylergal]

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/10170-das-rules-out-dutchmans-role-in-colombians-disappearance.html

comments are interesting

Thank you for posting this.  The comments are interesting, to say the last.  However, I suspected that there was a whitewash of this story early on, as girls from Venezuela and Colombia hold no value for their respective countries unless they are the children of some very important person, just like the girls from Thailand, and it makes me wonder how many he murdered are deported for his monetary gain while in Thailand.  Surely, the coffee house was not something he loved, but a catalyst for something else that paid bigger dividends than a cuppa Joe.

[Ono]

If Anita has no intention to go to Peru, perhaps she could send Julia Renfro.  I am sure the residents at Miguel Castro Castro would appreciate a female journalist of her character and caliber.

Lol-I don't any of them have any inention of putting one toe in Peru!

[Tylergal]

Deepak's comment about not leaving "him alone with the girl" coupled with Satish's questioning "how's the girl?" lead me to believe that Joran and his father are the perpetrators based on, "your own father..unbelievable."