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« Reply #1120 on: June 20, 2010, 02:30:00 PM »

Did I read reports that the Dutch media would be in Peru on Monday to interview Joran? 

How is that going to happen if the Judge will be conducting the interrogation on Monday.  I don't think the Dutch media will be allowed in.  Has anyone seen any more reports or updates on that?

Hi cece!
I posted yesterday that SBS is allowed to go inside the prison tomorrow (like ABC and CNN were earlier this week) and the reporter said that they are going to TRY and talk to Joran. So it´s not at all certain but they´re going to try.

This is the video (in Dutch) where they´re talking about it (from 1´15 on).

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/jacht-naar-joran-nog-in-volle-gang/

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« Reply #1121 on: June 20, 2010, 02:35:26 PM »



Maybe that is standard issue with the toiletries box the Dutch embassy gives new inmates.  They know what is coming! LOL
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LOL. I pray no one in Peru protects that monster from anything EVER. I just hope it's slow and painful..no quickies.. I have thought over the years what I would like to do to him, I might have even posted my thoughts but no amount of torture will ever be enough from where I sit.

Ya know, I step away, come back and feel the same anger, rage about Aruba, Paulus (hope that SOB rots in the hottest that hell can be for eternity), Anita, JR, the Kalpoes, etal. I do know they surely have brought out the worse in me. I never knew I could have such thoughts about another human, but I do.

I am thankful for SM and all those that have kept Natalee's story front and center. I admire you, justice is coming.

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« Reply #1122 on: June 20, 2010, 02:35:48 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy
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« Reply #1123 on: June 20, 2010, 02:38:35 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy

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« Reply #1124 on: June 20, 2010, 02:40:27 PM »

Did I read reports that the Dutch media would be in Peru on Monday to interview Joran? 

How is that going to happen if the Judge will be conducting the interrogation on Monday.  I don't think the Dutch media will be allowed in.  Has anyone seen any more reports or updates on that?

Hi cece!
I posted yesterday that SBS is allowed to go inside the prison tomorrow (like ABC and CNN were earlier this week) and the reporter said that they are going to TRY and talk to Joran. So it´s not at all certain but they´re going to try.

This is the video (in Dutch) where they´re talking about it (from 1´15 on).

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/jacht-naar-joran-nog-in-volle-gang/



Thank you Jo-An, much appreciated.  And thank you for your translations & input Smile
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« Reply #1125 on: June 20, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »

Just because his lawyer tells Joran to keep his mouth shut doesn't mean Joran will obey.  Joran may well think he can convince the judge and charm him with his version of reality.

Should be interesting.

Not sure how the Dutch media is going to interview Joran while he is before the judge.  That should also be interesting.

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« Reply #1126 on: June 20, 2010, 02:41:32 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy

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Yes, lol! Google translates 'rechter' (=judge) as 'right'.
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« Reply #1127 on: June 20, 2010, 02:46:21 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy

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Yes, lol! Google translates 'rechter' (=judge) as 'right'.

The header says: Joran houdt mond bij rechter. Literally that is: 'Joran keeps mouth shut at judge.'
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« Reply #1128 on: June 20, 2010, 02:46:29 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

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« Reply #1129 on: June 20, 2010, 02:46:47 PM »

Did I read reports that the Dutch media would be in Peru on Monday to interview Joran? 

How is that going to happen if the Judge will be conducting the interrogation on Monday.  I don't think the Dutch media will be allowed in.  Has anyone seen any more reports or updates on that?

Hi cece!
I posted yesterday that SBS is allowed to go inside the prison tomorrow (like ABC and CNN were earlier this week) and the reporter said that they are going to TRY and talk to Joran. So it´s not at all certain but they´re going to try.

This is the video (in Dutch) where they´re talking about it (from 1´15 on).

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/jacht-naar-joran-nog-in-volle-gang/



Thank you Jo-An, much appreciated.  And thank you for your translations & input Smile

You´re welcome!
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« Reply #1130 on: June 20, 2010, 02:48:37 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy


According to dugo, at RU, there is no right to remain silent, in the Peru consitution. (He also said lying carries an obstruction charge):

     
      

charlierat wrote:

I repeat Paprikash's question. Where did you see this? I mean the part about Joran cannot remain silent. I did not know that Peru did not recognize the right against self-incrimination.

dugo PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:29 pm

It is not about where do you see it, it is about: you do not see it in their constitution.

http://www.parliament.go.th/parcy/sapa_db/cons_doc/constitutions/data/Peru/peru.pdf
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« Reply #1131 on: June 20, 2010, 02:49:18 PM »

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/curacao/5/2010/WEEKLY_News_061910.pdf

News Items and Public Crime Summary for Week Ending
June 19, 2010


Aruba – U.S. Media Returns to Cover Van Der Sloot Case

Aruba‟s chief prosecutor Blanken told the media last week that he is not aware of Joran van der Sloot‟s alleged statement in Peru in which he said he was willing to tell Aruban authorities where the body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is.

NBC News - citing police sources - reported that Van der Sloot is now willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find Holloway‟s remains. The network did not provide further details. “It could be interesting if it is true,” Blanken said, while adding a note of caution about Van der Sloot‟s history of false statements. He said his office was trying to get into contact with Peruvian police to get more information, but said they had been unsuccessful as of Friday morning. CNN and NBC correspondents have reportedly arrived on Aruba. The U.S. media seem to be interested in an interview with Joran‟s mother, Anita van der Sloot. (Various media)

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Aruba – Minister Winklaar: Visit to the U.S. Successful

Aruban Minister of Economical Affairs, Social Affairs, and Culture Michelle Hooyboer-Winklaar met in Washington, DC with Walter P. Bastian, Deputy Assistant Secretary for
the Western Hemisphere U.S. Department of Commerce International Trade Administration. Mr. Bastian is responsible for developing programs, policies and strategies designed to strengthen the United States' commercial position in the Western Hemisphere. They discussed Aruban commercial and investment opportunities. Also, Minister Winklaar met at U.S. State Department with EEB/FO Bureau PDAS Anna Borg to discuss WTO issues and to improve the great bilateral relationship between the U.S. and Aruba. (La Prensa)

Curacao/Aruba – Venezuelan Coast Guard Participates in Exercise

The Venezuelan Coast Guard is here to participate in the joint Coast Guard exercise “Open Eyes”. The objective of the exercise is to improve the mutual relations. (Various media)

Aruba – Minister Oduber Denies Permission For 200 Venezuelan
Workers


Aruban Labor Minister Otmar Oduber categorically denies that the Aruban government gave permission to 200 Venezuelans to work for the US-owned Valero-refinery. Valero does plan to hire employees and contractors for the refinery restart, but the Aruban government policy is to hire local employees, the Minister said. (La Prensa)

Aruba – Peruvian and Aruban Authorities Agree to Cooperate

Aruban and Peruvian authorities have agreed to "help each other" in the murder investigation of Stephany Flores -- in which Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect, an Aruban government spokesman said Tuesday.

Investigators hope the cooperation will lead to new information about the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba. Van der Sloot is also a suspect in that case.

Following a phone meeting with Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales on Tuesday morning, Aruban government spokesman Taco Stein said Peruvian authorities have agreed to allow Aruban investigators into Peru to interview van der Sloot once a formal request has been made.

Stein did not indicate when the request would take place or when Aruban investigators are expected to arrive in Peru, but described the meeting as a "positive start" to information sharing that many Arubans hope will shed more light on the Holloway case. (Various media)

Aruba – Natalee Holloway’s Father Back in Aruba

Natalee Holloway's father was back in Aruba on Monday, hoping the suspect in his daughter's disappearance has provided local authorities with new clues since being arrested for the death of a 21-year-old woman in Peru.

Dave Holloway planned to discuss the latest developments with prosecutors and investigators at a meeting Tuesday, said Tim Miller, a friend and the founder of Texas EquuSearch, a group that has repeatedly searched for the missing Alabama woman since her disappearance in 2005. He had previously said they would discuss the case Monday but the meeting was postponed for unknown reasons.

Miller, who is staying with Holloway in Aruba but not attending the meetings, said volunteers were ready to immediately resume the search if there is any new information from Joran van der Sloot, who was jailed Friday on charges of killing business student Stephany Flores on May 30 in a Lima hotel.

Miller said the death of Flores, on the fifth anniversary of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba, opened up old wounds for the distraught father, who has been frustrated with the lack of progress by Aruban authorities.

"He's very saddened," Miller told The Associated Press. "He feels that if the Arubans had done their job, Joran would be in jail and Stephany would be alive."

Holloway and Miller have made many previous trips to Aruba in search of clues about the teen from Mountain Brook, Alabama, who was last seen leaving a bar with Van der Sloot on the final night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. (Various media)

Aruba - Excerpts From Van Der Sloot Confession

Dutch media released excerpts from the signed June 6 confession of Joran van der Sloot, who was subsequently charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the killing of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian business student whom he met while playing poker in a Lima casino. In the confession, a transcript of which was obtained by The Associated Press, Van der Sloot is questioned by a prosecutor in the presence of a state-appointed defense attorney.

Van der Sloot spoke in Dutch, with a translator approved by the Dutch Embassy translating his comments into Spanish. The Spanish has been translated into English by the AP.

Asked if he has anything to add to the confession:

"I wish to talk about the Natelle Holoway (sic) case from five years ago and the possibility that if this trial goes quickly and fluidly it could be possible for me to be extradited to Aruba. I wish to discuss the case but not at the moment. It's a case that is years old and I would prefer to speak with the Aruban police and if there is the possibility of closing the case I would be ready to clarify the case ..." (Various media)

Aruba – Prosecutor Wants To Talk To Van Der Sloot About Holloway

Prosecutors in Aruba said Wednesday they want to take Joran van der Sloot up on his offer to discuss the unsolved disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Judicial authorities in Peru are willing to arrange a conversation between Aruban police and Van der Sloot, Attorney General Robert Pietersz said. Van Der Sloot is awaiting trial in Peru in the slaying of a 21-year-old woman in Lima.

Van der Sloot told his jailers he is ready to clarify the Holloway case, but only to Aruba authorities. He is the only remaining suspect in the 2005 disappearance.

An Aruba policeman and a prosecutor could travel to Peru as early as August, said Peter Blanken, the island's chief prosecutor.

Van der Sloot has said he fears for his life in the Peruvian prison. But regardless of what information the suspect might provide in the Holloway case, it is unlikely he would be brought to Aruba before completing any sentence if convicted in the South American country, Blanken said.

"I think it's out of question because the case in Peru is a very severe case and the Peruvian authorities have said they do not want to do that," Blanken said.

Dave Holloway, the missing teen's father, met with Aruba police Tuesday, Blanken said. He said authorities did not have any new information in the case to discuss. (Various media)

Curacao\Aruba - U.S. FOL Welcomes New Commander

Lt Col Michael J. Price, Commander of the U S Forward Operating Locations in Curacao and Aruba, relinquished his leadership to Lt Col Brian Bell yesterday.

Governor Frits Goedgedrag, Antilles PM Emily de Jongh-Elhage, Aruban PM Mike Eman, and other government officials were present at the ceremony.

During 2009, surveillance flights from the U.S. FOL assisted in the seizure of narcotics with a street value of over 20 million USD. Lt Col Price said cooperation with Antilles, Aruban, and Dutch law enforcement agencies was outstanding. Also, U.S. FOL military and civilian personnel often volunteer their services in support of community projects and are pleased to have established partnership with various local agencies which benefits the people of Curaçao. (Various media)

Aruba - Peruvian Judge to Ask Van Der Sloot About Death

A Peruvian judge expects to interrogate Joran van der Sloot next week about the death of 21-year-old Peruvian woman Stephany Flores in his hotel room on May 30th.

Thursday's statement said Morales will pass along any information to pertinent authorities if Van der Sloot discusses the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway, a case in which he also is the prime suspect. Van der Sloot has said he is ready to talk about the case, but only to Aruban authorities. (Various media)

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ARUBA
Crime June 11 – June 17


On June 15 a home owner in Oranjestad was beaten and robbed by two men (Awe Mainta).

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“The Weekly Press Summary is a compilation of stories running in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruban press that is intended to alert readers about items of interest to them. There is no interpretation or verification of the facts contained therein."
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1132 on: June 20, 2010, 02:53:17 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.

Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.


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« Reply #1133 on: June 20, 2010, 02:56:18 PM »


Oopsie...beginning to have the sounds of a "cover-up"


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« Reply #1134 on: June 20, 2010, 02:59:00 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.

Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.




Does he need to be classed as a fulltime student to be covered by her insurance?  or is this his HMO  Aruban insurance  or is he still "addressed" in the Netherlands?
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« Reply #1135 on: June 20, 2010, 02:59:39 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.


Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.




I think she said it had already been approved for 2 years. I guess they made special provisions. Something about all this still bothers me tho...not sure.



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« Reply #1136 on: June 20, 2010, 03:03:33 PM »

Joran takes on right foot (=keeps his mouth shut)

LIMA - Joran van der Sloot Monday keeps his mouth at the first questioning by the court. Van der Sloot wants the court until his confession to the police invalid. That lawyer would have made the point to Máximo Altez Peruvian media.

Peruvian Judge Carlos Morales begins Monday with the interrogation of van der Sloot in his cell in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. According to Peruvian justice is the Final heard about the "facts and responsibilities" at the death of Stephany Flores.

There were lawyers on their way to Peru, including the American Joseph Pina Taco because Altez gives up.

http://tinyurl.com/37lrruy


According to dugo, at RU, there is no right to remain silent, in the Peru consitution. (He also said lying carries an obstruction charge):

charlierat wrote:

I repeat Paprikash's question. Where did you see this? I mean the part about Joran cannot remain silent. I did not know that Peru did not recognize the right against self-incrimination.

dugo PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:29 pm

It is not about where do you see it, it is about: you do not see it in their constitution.

http://www.parliament.go.th/parcy/sapa_db/cons_doc/constitutions/data/Peru/peru.pdf

Thanks Buckeye, I knew I remembered reading that somewhere.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1137 on: June 20, 2010, 03:03:39 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.


Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.




I think she said it had already been approved for 2 years. I guess they made special provisions. Something about all this still bothers me tho...not sure.





? Probably an agreement with the judge after the Peter/Patrick tape.  Just like the agreement, the first time to go to school.  Too bad Joran decided to go to Thailand, instead.  I am sure he would have been just as safe, from those Dutch crowds (led by the US media and the Holloway family) in a psych unit as a different country.
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« Reply #1138 on: June 20, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.

Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.




Does he need to be classed as a fulltime student to be covered by her insurance?  or is this his HMO  Aruban insurance  or is he still "addressed" in the Netherlands?

I noticed on the confession documents that it does appear that he is still "addressed" in the Netherlands.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1139 on: June 20, 2010, 03:05:33 PM »



I have been wondering how Anita knew Joran would only serve 2 years in this mental institution in the Netherlands...Did she have a prior agreement that had been concocted.? Or is that standard treatment in the NL for mental issues?? Anyone know...?

Tricia

The insurance company will pay for a stay of max. 365 days.

Google translation:

You are entitled to reimbursement of costs of:

admission and residence during the day in a psychiatric hospital or a psychiatric ward of a hospital for up to 365 days. A break of thirty days is considered as an interruption, but does not count towards the calculation of 365 days. Interruptions due to weekend and leave them to be counted in calculating the 365 days.




Does he need to be classed as a fulltime student to be covered by her insurance?  or is this his HMO  Aruban insurance  or is he still "addressed" in the Netherlands?

Her insurance won´t cover his costs because he´s over 18. He must have a health insurance policy of his own.
Anita mentioned the insurance company, Menzis, that´s a Dutch company. He still has a Dutch passport so he can use Dutch health insurance.
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