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« Reply #1180 on: June 20, 2010, 05:56:10 PM »

Peruvian and Dutch media are reporting that a group of attorneys (including Tacopina)  is on its way to Peru because Maximo Altez is (again) stepping down from the case.
Anybody hear anything about this in the American press?

Nothing so far about him stepping down again, nor from the Netherlands Radio Network

Joe Tacopina is not qualified to practice Napoleonic Law.   It is a whole different set of rules.
You are presumed guilty until proven innocent.  There is no case law citing.  The rules are
the rules.  There is no remaining silent.  If you remain silent, the judge assumes you are guilty.
Taco said he is not on good terms with the family and that he does not want to spend the next
two years in Peru, but we all know Taco lies.

I agree Magnolia.  If this is true I believe Joe Tacopina is only going to get Joran on the same page as everyone else.  Joe Tacopina will say I represent Joran in the extortion case.  There is a plan.

Believe it or not I think Joran respects Tacopina because he is as big of a liar as him and he makes a lot of money protecting criminals.

And they both have lackopenis...Smile)

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« Reply #1181 on: June 20, 2010, 06:00:42 PM »

If Joran remains silent tomorrow, I hope the judge sends him to gen. pop.
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« Reply #1182 on: June 20, 2010, 06:01:41 PM »

John Ludwick I had to reschedule my appearance on Fox News Channel "geraldo at large" til next saturday @ 10pm. Sorry it keeps changing, but I am a busy man and with that comes complications!
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« Reply #1183 on: June 20, 2010, 06:07:29 PM »

If Joran remains silent tomorrow, I hope the judge sends him to gen. pop.

Wouldn't that be the best.
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« Reply #1184 on: June 20, 2010, 06:07:57 PM »

I wonder if Joran will have his fingers in his ears.
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« Reply #1185 on: June 20, 2010, 06:10:29 PM »

No wonder this schmuck was a buddy of the monster.......now he claims he was aware of Joran having some type of psychological tests.......wonder who's lining his pockets now

FOXNews.com - Mother of Murder Suspect Van Der Sloot Says He Is 'Sick in His Head'


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The only comment i can make on that topic is when we were together in Aruba i was aware he recently did undergo some psychologial tests.
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« Reply #1186 on: June 20, 2010, 06:10:52 PM »

John Ludwick I had to reschedule my appearance on Fox News Channel "geraldo at large" til next saturday @ 10pm. Sorry it keeps changing, but I am a busy man and with that comes complications!
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Just in time for the Saturday night comedy special.

Word of advice for you John wait until Kimberly Guilfoyle gets her hands on you.
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« Reply #1187 on: June 20, 2010, 06:18:24 PM »

John Ludwick I had to reschedule my appearance on Fox News Channel "geraldo at large" til next saturday @ 10pm. Sorry it keeps changing, but I am a busy man and with that comes complications!
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Just in time for the Saturday night comedy special.

Word of advice for you John wait until Kimberly Guilfoyle gets her hands on you.

I might even pay to see that go-round!
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« Reply #1188 on: June 20, 2010, 06:31:30 PM »

I wonder if Joran will have his fingers in his ears.


Oh, I wish he would just try!  As in this country, I am sure the judge is capable and authorized to physically require a position of respect to the court.  Even Hannibal Lecter did, lol.

I am pretty sure Joran would be restrained in such a manner to bring him into full compliance with showing respect for the court.  Maybe for the first time in his miserable life.

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« Reply #1189 on: June 20, 2010, 06:31:59 PM »

Joran van der Sloot to open in jail
Published on : 20 June 2010 - 12:08pm | By Pablo Gámez (RNW)

The case against Dutch murder suspect Joran van der Sloot gets underway on Monday, he will hear the charges against him during a formal opening in the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Peru where he is being held.

The charges will be read out against the Dutchman by Judge Carlos Morales.

The arraignment will take place behind closed doors. In legal terms, what follows is the pre-trial investigation. Van der Sloot's detention can be extended up to twelve months.

During the investigation, the authorities will try to clarify the facts and determine any guilt. Police sources earlier reported that van der Sloot had confessed to the murder of 21-yearold Stephany Flores.

Student Flores was seen on CCTV entering van der Sloot's hotel room after the two had been at a poker tournament - the next day she was found dead and in the meantime van der Sloot had fled to Chile. He was handed back over to the Peruvian authorities after giving himself up to police.

Lawyers for van der Sloot have remained silent but question marks are said to have been raised about the confession.

If declared guilty, Van der Sloot faces a minimum of 15 years imprisonment.

In an exclusive interview with Radio Netherlands Worldwide, Edward Álvarez, lawyer of the Flores family, insists that despite concerns that Joran van der Sloot will get a fair trial in Peru:

"Peru is a democracy and therefore it has an unconditional respect for fundamental rights, among which the judiciary, and the institutions of the penal system guarantee that Joran van der Sloot's will get a fair trial. The principle of the assumption of innocence cannot be questioned until there is a solid and definite judgement."

The way in which Joran van der Sloot was put on display for the national and international press after his arrest provoked criticism in The Netherlands, suggesting that Van der Sloot "had already been condemned by the media."

Álvarez recognises that "there has been mass media attention. This happens frequently in the Peruvian legal system but we cannot, in any case, doubt the assumption of Joran van der Sloot's innocence. Neither can it be presented in a situation that affects his human dignity."

The organisation Prison Law, which supports prisoners worldwide, is one of the bodies that has raised concerns. Spokeswoman Rachel Imamkhan says he has little trust in the Peruvian justice system.

"My experience is that there is little chance of a fair trial in that country. Peru is a party to international treaties but in practice you see little of that."

What may help, according to Imamkhan is the international attention for the case

Evidence
Judge Morales Córdova will have at his disposal the results of psychological and psychiatric tests of Joran van der Sloot, as well as the autopsy report and expert reports in the preliminary investigation.

But Álvarez says there are still gaps:

"There are still many things to finish in the pre-trial investigation. One of the primary things is the reading of the contents of Joran van der Sloot's laptop. We do not know yet what information it contains. We also need to investigate the record of telephone calls that Stephany Flores received. We know that she received calls from Joran during the days before her death. There are people at the casino that were aware of Joran van der Sloot's presence: whether he won money and whether it is true if he entered the place with so much money."

The hard disc of Van der Sloot's computer could also contain information about the murder of US citizen Nathalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. Van der Sloot remains a suspect in that unresolved case.

Aruba and the US have already asked Peru about the kind of information that the laptop contains.


Extradition
Lawyer Álvarez insists that Joran van der Sloot "will definitely not be extradited. Peru does not have an agreement with the Netherlands, which makes this scenario impossible. Van der Sloot will have to serve his sentence in Peru."

RNW sources who wish to remain anonymous say that Joran van der Sloot's mother is trying to manage her son's extradition to the Netherlands.

http://www.rnw.nl/international-justice/article/joran-van-der-sloot-open-jail
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« Reply #1190 on: June 20, 2010, 06:34:00 PM »

FYI
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To listen live in Canada by radio tune into your local Corus or Rawlco radio network nation wide.
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« Reply #1191 on: June 20, 2010, 06:34:47 PM »

Had to laugh when the translator came back with attorney Pina Taco.  (Tacopina)


That makes him a pineapple taco!  Yum Yum
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« Reply #1192 on: June 20, 2010, 06:35:55 PM »

I guess the blood test Joran took recently was to see if he was on drugs or just naturallly that sleazy and warped in the head.

Maybe even to rule out organic reasons he is just a monster and loser.  Apparnetly it's in his DNA.  Hope they checked Anita as well as the problem seems to be hereditary.

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« Reply #1193 on: June 20, 2010, 06:41:56 PM »

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Hosted by a regular guest on my program Mike McIntryre
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« Reply #1194 on: June 20, 2010, 06:57:38 PM »

If Joran was really scheduled to go into a psychiatric unit in the Netherlands, I am sure it was more to be "stored away" someplace so they couldn't arrest him for the extortion plot.

If Anita insists that Joran did not kill Natalee than I am wondering if Paulus finished her off.  Joran may have called Papa Sloot after Natalee became injured, after being drugged, sexually assaulted, and possibly beat up.  Joran didn't know what to do because she wasn't dead but severely injured.  Paulus may have assessed the siutation and felt Natalee could recover with medical care. . . but would then be alive to tell what happened OR  she was so injured that Paulus felt she wasn't going to make it, so he took care of it for Joran.  If they had called medical personnel then Paulus knew Joran would go down for assault/drugging or whatever.

At first I believe Anita didn't know what happened to Natalee, but I really think she knows now.  I wonder how much the brothers know.
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« Reply #1195 on: June 20, 2010, 07:07:23 PM »

Should someone so out of touch with reality as Anita claims to be really be in charge of the care for the remaining minor child?  I know that Joran has yet to be convicted of anything legally but her assessment that he is only mentally ill leaves a great deal to be desired in the way of judgement and maturity and accepting responsibility.

I suspect Poppin is already a lost cause but he will be for sure if he stays in that house and is taught that his brother killing people is an equal loss with the victims and things like that.
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« Reply #1196 on: June 20, 2010, 07:13:18 PM »

If Joran was really scheduled to go into a psychiatric unit in the Netherlands, I am sure it was more to be "stored away" someplace so they couldn't arrest him for the extortion plot.

If Anita insists that Joran did not kill Natalee than I am wondering if Paulus finished her off.  Joran may have called Papa Sloot after Natalee became injured, after being drugged, sexually assaulted, and possibly beat up.  Joran didn't know what to do because she wasn't dead but severely injured.  Paulus may have assessed the siutation and felt Natalee could recover with medical care. . . but would then be alive to tell what happened OR  she was so injured that Paulus felt she wasn't going to make it, so he took care of it for Joran.  If they had called medical personnel then Paulus knew Joran would go down for assault/drugging or whatever.

At first I believe Anita didn't know what happened to Natalee, but I really think she knows now.  I wonder how much the brothers know.


Anita and Paul had 5 years to work on a plan to put their little `rocket scientist` away in a safe place.

They had no intentions of doing it... or it would already be done.

The price of inaction is steep. She doesn`t have a prayer of saving him now.

For that, I am very thankful.

* I don`t want to know what eats.
*I don`t want to know what he sleeps on.
* I don`t want to know all the titles of the books HE IS NOT CURRENTLY READING.

I WANT HIM D-O-N-E. I don`t ever want another Nat or Steph to suffer again.

Let`s make this happen!

por favor, mis amigos peruanos matar al pequeño hijo de puta, hazlo ahora.
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« Reply #1197 on: June 20, 2010, 07:16:01 PM »

Peruvian and Dutch media are reporting that a group of attorneys (including Tacopina)  is on its way to Peru because Maximo Altez is (again) stepping down from the case.
Anybody hear anything about this in the American press?

Nothing so far about him stepping down again, nor from the Netherlands Radio Network

Thanks!
I can´t find an actual source for this, so I won´t believe it until I see some sort of official confirmation.


What would be the purpose of JoeT in Peru? He can't practice law in Peru, Aruba, NL or anywhere other than the USA.  Joran isn't an American citizen and Stephany wasn't an American citizen.  Joran needs a Peruvian attorney not some greaseball talking head from the US.

Brazen showmanship-hoping for a chance to whitewash Joran's part in Natalee's case to anyone who will listen, imo.  Maybe he's not really going.
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« Reply #1198 on: June 20, 2010, 07:18:43 PM »

I wonder if Joran will have his fingers in his ears.

hee, hee, hee ...
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« Reply #1199 on: June 20, 2010, 07:21:33 PM »

Peruvian and Dutch media are reporting that a group of attorneys (including Tacopina)  is on its way to Peru because Maximo Altez is (again) stepping down from the case.
Anybody hear anything about this in the American press?

Maximo is in a state of ver klemptness ... er-flux! lol
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