Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Northern Rose]

Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was silent and answered questions from Judge

Lima (Peru.com) .- The Netherlands citizen Joran van der Sloot, who is accused of murdering Stephany Flores, refused to testify and did not answer questions from the judge of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, Carlos Morales.
 
Morales reached the maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, where Van der Sloot is being held for questioning to the subject that killed Flores, whom he met in a poker game in Atlantic City.
 
The prisoner was silent during the proceedings that lasted an hour. Morales Judge and Public Prosecutor's representative raised a record in this respect.
 
It should be noted that Van der Sloot told a newspaper revealed that police in Peru promised extradition to Holland, where he confessed that he killed Stephany Flores.
 
"If not resolved this question we will not declare anything," said his lawyer, Max Highness, stressing that this appeal was filed a week ago.
 
 In this document "we are saying that the process is suspended pending resolution of habeas corpus that we have raised," added the lawyer.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100621/103618/Holandes-Joran-van-der-Sloot-guardo-silencio-y-no-respondio-preguntas-de-juez-?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WwwperucomRssHomeActualidad+%28www.peru.com%3A+RSS+Home+Actualidad%29

[Anna]

Another reason I am very interested in Stephany's car is that her brother said this morning on TruTv that he thinks she kept her winnings from poker in the car.  He has checked and she did not deposit it in the bank.

I am not sure how much he is talking about because he did mention different rates of exchange but I got the impression it was a considerable amount but couldn't understand what currency he was saying it was in.

Anyway, the Flores family thinks this is where her money was and Joran got the car and moved it.  You know he went throught it and took anything of value he could find.

.

[Anna]

Report coming up after commercial on TruTv on Joran's proceedings today.

[Northern Rose]

Van der Sloot refused to testify at first hearing before a judge

Counsel for the Dutchman Van der Sloot advance that does not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation in this case.

It frustrated the first interrogation to clarify the crime of Stephany Flores, occurred on 30 May. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect and prosecuted for this case, refused to talk.

Van der Sloot was silent, and did not respond to any questions asked by both the presiding judge, Carlos Morales Cordova, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, and the prosecutor assigned to highly publicized case.

Everything that happened during the proceeding that lasted for over an hour in a compound of the Miguel Castro Castro, where the Netherlands is being held from June 11, was recorded in a report.

RPP reported, the foreign lawyer, Max Navarro Highness, concluded the interrogation proceeded to leave the prison without making statements to the press.

It should be noted that counsel had anticipated that his client would not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation that followed Van der Sloot in the case.

On the other hand, learned that frustrated after judicial proceedings, the alleged killer entered the atmosphere of the Castro Castro prison to see the match between national teams of Chile and Switzerland for the 2010 World Cup, which would have been accompanied by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina and the suspended mayor of Coronel Portillo (Pucallpa), Luis Valdez, their neighbors in prison.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-21-van-der-sloot-se-nego-a-declarar-en-primer-interrogatorio-ante-juez-noticia_274081.html

[Tamikosmom]

Interview with Anita on RTL television - RTL Boulevard:

Anita: "Joran was a normal child. Especially the first years of his life he was a great child, no other than other children. He talked a lot with Paul, made a lot of promises that he broke. After his death Joran became depressed."

She says: "I'm angry, but that is really an huge understatement. I want to say: go to hell. I'm not doing anything for you anymore."

So this was sort of a preview for the entire interview that will be on tv tomorrow here at 8.30pm (that's 2.30pm ET, 1.30 CST).

Thanks Jo-An

While my Dutch American DIL was conversing with her Grandfather in the Netherlands yesterday (Father's Day) ... she had an opportunity to speak to her cousin for a few minutes regarding the latest regarding Joran van der Sloot.  His take was that there was no sympathy for Joran but ... indicated that the majority of Dutch do not believe there was a corrupt Aruban investigation ... just a lack of evidence to charge.  Is the perspective of DIL's cousin regarding the Dutch correct?

Janet

Hi Janet,

to be honest, there have been hardly any reports on the Aruban investigation here in the NL. The only important things that people saw were Peter R de Vries' shows.
And it wasn't until I found this site a couple of years ago that I learned about the messed up Aruban investigation.
If you'd ask 1,000 people in the street here, 999 will not who Jan van Straaten is for instance.
I think the general assumption is that Paul helped Joran and took advantage of his position on the island. But people do not know all the ins and out, let alone the names of the people involved.
But listening to my own family and friends; everybody knows in their heart that Joran is guilty, but he's not in jail because his dad helped him. That's basically it.

What's also important I think: Aruba is so far away from the Netherlands, geographically speaking and it's so close to the US. Natalee was an American citizen. There was way, way more coverage on American tv-networks.
For a lot of Dutch people it's just literally too far away; although Aruba is still part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands

Thanks Jo-An for your response.

Janet

[Anna]

According to Jinkasaurus, Joran made a statement to the judge that his "due process" rights have been violated. 

Alvarez has filed a motion claiming that Joran's detention is illegal and is waiting for a ruling on that.  That Joran was detained illegally because his detention was based on the false confession.

Apparently a ruling on that is expected in about a week.

Next the judge goes into the statements of the other defendants--the taxi drivers.

For those who are not watching, that's paraphrasing what she said.

[Ono]

au revoir, friends, I had another root canal this morning and my propoxy is kicking in as my novocaine kicks out.  Off to bed.

Rest well..

[Ono]

Thanks for all the updates-and so the van der Sloot 'catch me if you can ' legal games officailly begin ...  I'm thinking he will soon find out Peruvian jurists won't be so easy to buffalo.

[Ono]

**officially**

[klaasend]

Van der Sloot refused to testify at first hearing before a judge

Counsel for the Dutchman Van der Sloot advance that does not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation in this case.

It frustrated the first interrogation to clarify the crime of Stephany Flores, occurred on 30 May. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect and prosecuted for this case, refused to talk.

Van der Sloot was silent, and did not respond to any questions asked by both the presiding judge, Carlos Morales Cordova, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, and the prosecutor assigned to highly publicized case.

Everything that happened during the proceeding that lasted for over an hour in a compound of the Miguel Castro Castro, where the Netherlands is being held from June 11, was recorded in a report.

RPP reported, the foreign lawyer, Max Navarro Highness, concluded the interrogation proceeded to leave the prison without making statements to the press.

It should be noted that counsel had anticipated that his client would not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation that followed Van der Sloot in the case.

On the other hand, learned that frustrated after judicial proceedings, the alleged killer entered the atmosphere of the Castro Castro prison to see the match between national teams of Chile and Switzerland for the 2010 World Cup, which would have been accompanied by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina and the suspended mayor of Coronel Portillo (Pucallpa), Luis Valdez, their neighbors in prison.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-21-van-der-sloot-se-nego-a-declarar-en-primer-interrogatorio-ante-juez-noticia_274081.html

[Anna]

There is an official press release according to Jean Casarez.  I wonder if we can get a copy? 

Also stated that there should be a decision on the habeus corpus by Wednesday.

[cece]

There is an official press release according to Jean Casarez.  I wonder if we can get a copy? 

Also stated that there should be a decision on the habeus corpus by Wednesday.

Thanks Anna.  That's what I hear as well, Wednesday.

Also, earlier, it was said there is no penalty for perjury in Peru.  (Did I hear that right?)

[Edward]

Joran says his rights have been violated.. Du Process

What Rights ?????????????

I remember this from the movie Butch Casady and the Sundance Kid.. When they were discussing rules of fighting.
There was a kick in the Nuts that followwed.

Game point Joran

The people of Peru  have met their match.
He is back spending time with the HitMan and learning new tricks to use in the future.


This really pissis me off..

I better go back to work.. Sorry for irritating everyone this morning..
The game playing little bastard and all of his supporters really piss me off and ABC is now on my list too.

[klaasend]

http://www.thepulse.cl/2010/06/21/extortion-murder-and-the-disappearing-dutchman/

Extortion, murder and the disappearing Dutchman


EXCLUSIVE: Listen to an interview with Bo Dietl on the Joren van der Sloot case. Recorded this morning by Ruthie DiTucci at our sister radio station in the United States www. Syndicatednews.net.

In this interview, detective Bo Dietl talks in detail about van der Sloot’s alleged extortion of Natalee Holloway’s family, and the role of the FBI and Arubian authorities.  Dietl says he became involved with Joren van der Sloot in 2007 when he was hired by the family of missing Natalee Holloway to work on a wrongful death suit.  He talks about his perception of van der Sloots’ pattern of activities, meeting women at casinos and using date rape drugs.

With regards to Holloway’s death: “In this case something horrific happened and he disposed of her body,” says Dietl.

“Kelly, the lawyer for the Holloway family was contacted by van der Sloot in April.  He said that his father passed away last February, he wanted to come clean, give the family closure and tell them where she was buried.”

In return, says Dietl, van der Sloot wanted $250,000.  He says they talked to Natalee’s family who were happy to put up 10% and then talked to the FBI to arrange legal wiretapping of the Marriot in Aruba to catch the alleged extortion attempt.

In the interview, Dietl goes into more detail about what happened with the FBI, the $10,000 in cash that was handed to van der Sloot, and the $15,000 wire transfer. He talks about his problem with the system in Aruba.

“This guy should never have been able to leave Aruba,” he says.

With regards to reports today that van der Sloot wanted to retract his statement to the Peruvian police, following his extradition from Chile, Dietl is unequivocal.  “Tough bananas to this murderer, he wants to go back to Aruba,” says Dietl.  “The Peruvian government has a great premeditated murder case against him, they finally have this guy.”

“I would like to find out, through the FBI and Interpol, for the last five years… he has been travelling the world. I would like to find out how many other young ladies are missing if not dead,”

[Angiex911dsptchr]

This is a driveby real quick.. Thanks to everyone AGAIN who has posted links and news articles.. I been VERY busy and will be all week.. first I got to ctach up in the last few days. I have my baby grandaughter whos probably going to wake up any minute from her nap and need to get going. AGain.. Thanks for the articles.. I hardly even have time to watch tv either.
  IF Anyone sees NONESUCHE.. tell her she has mail 

 I can't get over Joran is retracting his statement.. Go figure.. but then again.. why should anyone be shocked about it. Pfftttttttttttttt.

 Read Melody got a nice sum of $ for her diary.. Geesh.. I kept one on my EX.. wonder if anyone would be interested in that thing from 16 yrs.. LOL


Hope all is doing well.. MERE nice seeing you and OS  and others.. off to finish cooking before baby wakes up !

HUGS !

[Edward]

Van der Sloot refused to testify at first hearing before a judge

Counsel for the Dutchman Van der Sloot advance that does not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation in this case.

It frustrated the first interrogation to clarify the crime of Stephany Flores, occurred on 30 May. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the prime suspect and prosecuted for this case, refused to talk.

Van der Sloot was silent, and did not respond to any questions asked by both the presiding judge, Carlos Morales Cordova, head of the Fourth Court for Prison Inmates in Lima, and the prosecutor assigned to highly publicized case.

Everything that happened during the proceeding that lasted for over an hour in a compound of the Miguel Castro Castro, where the Netherlands is being held from June 11, was recorded in a report.

RPP reported, the foreign lawyer, Max Navarro Highness, concluded the interrogation proceeded to leave the prison without making statements to the press.

It should be noted that counsel had anticipated that his client would not answer any questions until accepted habeas corpus to overturn the police investigation that followed Van der Sloot in the case.

On the other hand, learned that frustrated after judicial proceedings, the alleged killer entered the atmosphere of the Castro Castro prison to see the match between national teams of Chile and Switzerland for the 2010 World Cup, which would have been accompanied by the hit man Trujillo Alejandro Ospina and the suspended mayor of Coronel Portillo (Pucallpa), Luis Valdez, their neighbors in prison.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-21-van-der-sloot-se-nego-a-declarar-en-primer-interrogatorio-ante-juez-noticia_274081.html

You were so right Klaasend

[Anna]

Cece, that's what I understood as well.  That the defendant cannot be charged with perjury for misleading the court.  They don't expect them to tell the truth, apparently. 

But I think they would be more likely to if they could be charged additionally for lying to the judge, JMO, and don't think they are going to change that because we don't like it.

But I did hear the same as you.

[cecilita]

http://www.thepulse.cl/2010/06/21/extortion-murder-and-the-disappearing-dutchman/

Extortion, murder and the disappearing Dutchman


EXCLUSIVE: Listen to an interview with Bo Dietl on the Joren van der Sloot case. Recorded this morning by Ruthie DiTucci at our sister radio station in the United States www. Syndicatednews.net.

In this interview, detective Bo Dietl talks in detail about van der Sloot’s alleged extortion of Natalee Holloway’s family, and the role of the FBI and Arubian authorities.  Dietl says he became involved with Joren van der Sloot in 2007 when he was hired by the family of missing Natalee Holloway to work on a wrongful death suit.  He talks about his perception of van der Sloots’ pattern of activities, meeting women at casinos and using date rape drugs.

With regards to Holloway’s death: “In this case something horrific happened and he disposed of her body,” says Dietl.

“Kelly, the lawyer for the Holloway family was contacted by van der Sloot in April.  He said that his father passed away last February, he wanted to come clean, give the family closure and tell them where she was buried.”

In return, says Dietl, van der Sloot wanted $250,000.  He says they talked to Natalee’s family who were happy to put up 10% and then talked to the FBI to arrange legal wiretapping of the Marriot in Aruba to catch the alleged extortion attempt.

In the interview, Dietl goes into more detail about what happened with the FBI, the $10,000 in cash that was handed to van der Sloot, and the $15,000 wire transfer. He talks about his problem with the system in Aruba.

“This guy should never have been able to leave Aruba,” he says.

With regards to reports today that van der Sloot wanted to retract his statement to the Peruvian police, following his extradition from Chile, Dietl is unequivocal.  “Tough bananas to this murderer, he wants to go back to Aruba,” says Dietl.  “The Peruvian government has a great premeditated murder case against him, they finally have this guy.”

“I would like to find out, through the FBI and Interpol, for the last five years… he has been travelling the world. I would like to find out how many other young ladies are missing if not dead,”

His statement was made in front to a lawyer, he had a translater when he speaks and understands spanish pretty good.
This monster has been leaving between lawyers almost his entire life and now he was pressured to sign his statement? LIER!!!!!!!

[mojo]

however the peruvian lawyer they had on, said his refusing to answer could be taken as obstruction of justice...having said that, given that they've filed this writ, that may not kick in until there is a ruling.

[mojo]

however the peruvian lawyer they had on, said his refusing to answer could be taken as obstruction of justice...having said that, given that they've filed this writ, that may not kick in until there is a ruling.

it's on the video on this site --
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/