Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Curly]

If he's not going to talk, they should rip out his tongue. He doesn't need it if he won't speak, then throw him into gen. pop.

[cece]

Cece, that's what I understood as well.  That the defendant cannot be charged with perjury for misleading the court.  They don't expect them to tell the truth, apparently. 

But I think they would be more likely to if they could be charged additionally for lying to the judge, JMO, and don't think they are going to change that because we don't like it.

But I did hear the same as you.

Thanks Anna

Does anyone have any insight into what will be the outcome of the "habeas corpus" ?

[Anna]

Cece, I understood that this judge will rule on the habeas corpus by this Wednesday but Joran's attorney will appeal that if it is not favorable  to his client.

So this appears to be a stalling tactic by the sloot attorney but I don't think it is a serious one and expect he would then lose the appeal.

JMO but don't most attorneys file and ask first that the case be dismissed like this?  I think it's pretty routine.

And just about always rejected.

[klaasend]

however the peruvian lawyer they had on, said his refusing to answer could be taken as obstruction of justice...having said that, given that they've filed this writ, that may not kick in until there is a ruling.

it's on the video on this site --
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/

Thanks Mojo

[Tamikosmom]

however the peruvian lawyer they had on, said his refusing to answer could be taken as obstruction of justice...having said that, given that they've filed this writ, that may not kick in until there is a ruling.

it's on the video on this site --
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/

Thank you mojo.

Janet

[Jo-An]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

[Blonde]

Cece, that's what I understood as well.  That the defendant cannot be charged with perjury for misleading the court.  They don't expect them to tell the truth, apparently. 

But I think they would be more likely to if they could be charged additionally for lying to the judge, JMO, and don't think they are going to change that because we don't like it.

But I did hear the same as you.

Thanks Anna

Does anyone have any insight into what will be the outcome of the "habeas corpus" ?

Appeals and the Writ of Habeas Corpus FAQ Peru IN - Peru IN, legal ...
Appeals and the Writ of Habeas Corpus FAQ Peru IN. Defendants who think they've been wrongfully convicted of a crime have a number of options: appeals,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&hs=x8m&rls=en&q=habeas+corpus+in+Peru&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

[ozziesmom]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.thepulse.cl/2010/06/21/extortion-murder-and-the-disappearing-dutchman/

Extortion, murder and the disappearing Dutchman


EXCLUSIVE: Listen to an interview with Bo Dietl on the Joren van der Sloot case. Recorded this morning by Ruthie DiTucci at our sister radio station in the United States www. Syndicatednews.net.

In this interview, detective Bo Dietl talks in detail about van der Sloot’s alleged extortion of Natalee Holloway’s family, and the role of the FBI and Arubian authorities.  Dietl says he became involved with Joren van der Sloot in 2007 when he was hired by the family of missing Natalee Holloway to work on a wrongful death suit.  He talks about his perception of van der Sloots’ pattern of activities, meeting women at casinos and using date rape drugs.

With regards to Holloway’s death: “In this case something horrific happened and he disposed of her body,” says Dietl.

“Kelly, the lawyer for the Holloway family was contacted by van der Sloot in April.  He said that his father passed away last February, he wanted to come clean, give the family closure and tell them where she was buried.”

In return, says Dietl, van der Sloot wanted $250,000.  He says they talked to Natalee’s family who were happy to put up 10% and then talked to the FBI to arrange legal wiretapping of the Marriot in Aruba to catch the alleged extortion attempt.

In the interview, Dietl goes into more detail about what happened with the FBI, the $10,000 in cash that was handed to van der Sloot, and the $15,000 wire transfer. He talks about his problem with the system in Aruba.

“This guy should never have been able to leave Aruba,” he says.

With regards to reports today that van der Sloot wanted to retract his statement to the Peruvian police, following his extradition from Chile, Dietl is unequivocal.  “Tough bananas to this murderer, he wants to go back to Aruba,” says Dietl.  “The Peruvian government has a great premeditated murder case against him, they finally have this guy.”

“I would like to find out, through the FBI and Interpol, for the last five years… he has been travelling the world. I would like to find out how many other young ladies are missing if not dead,”

His statement was made in front to a lawyer, he had a translater when he speaks and understands spanish pretty good.
This monster has been leaving between lawyers almost his entire life and now he was pressured to sign his statement? LIER!!!!!!!

Peru police give Joran van der Sloot case to prosecutors
Updated 6/10/2010 6:00 PM

The case against the young Dutchman, who also remains the lone suspect in the Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, goes to prosecutors Thursday so they can file formal charges, said the official, Gen. Cesar Guardia.

"We've practically closed the case," he told the Associated Press. "He's confessed with a wealth of details that have been corroborated through criminal investigative rigor."

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-06-10-vandersloot-peru-case_N.htm

[klaasend]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

AH, he's going to use Jenna's conspiracy theory.  The one where it was a set up and Stephany isn't really dead. 

[AnnieMW1]

It's hard not to go down the path of "Here we go again...".  I'm trying my best.  I guess the one consolation is that Joran will sit in jail while he plays his legal maneuvering games....but the thought of him getting away with this too is, well, unimaginable.

[muisje]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

See above link for the explanation "habeas corpus"

[Jo-An]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

Yeah, it's unbelievable the stuff this guy comes up with!!!

[seemeatthebeach]

Sunday, June 13, 2010
Cross Border Cooperation: FBI did not factor in Aruban investigative policies?
" The problem, according to Lindsay, begins with good intentions and ends with jurisdictional limitations, mainly that the FBI has no jurisdiction run investigative operations in foreign countries.
Lindsay says FBI investigators probably thought that if they could get van der Sloot in a room with the alleged extortion money and get him to tell them the location of Natalee Holloway's body, that knowledge would be the same as a confession, and then Aruban authorities would be able to swoop in and arrest van der Sloot for murder. That's because, Lindsay says, that's what they do in the US. "
"Lindsay says that the FBI formula for extortion stings is, "set 'em up, pay 'em off, get 'em to talk, never let them leave the room without handcuffs on." It's that last step that has the FBI in hot water; they let van der Sloot leave the room. But, according to Lindsay, the FBI didn't have the power to stop him.
Lindsay believes that, because the Aruban police were calling the shots and the FBI was forced into the passenger seat by jurisdictional limitations, and because the Aruban police had already been burned by van der Sloot's "confessions" in the Holloway case more than once, those same police went the "trust but verify" route. " FBI Not To Blame Says Ex-Agent Paul Lindsay - Crimesider - CBS News
Posted by Federal and Extradition Defense at 12:58 PM
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http://obtainingforeignevidence.blogspot.com/

[Northern Rose]

Joran keeps tight lipped
A Peruvian court has requested under Joran van der Sloot, but has said nothing. The interrogation of Joran was in jail in the Castro Castro prison in Lima.

By saying nothing to enforce that Joran's confession is repealed. Van der Sloot said earlier that he had slain Stephany Flores. He says now that he has signed confession in blind panic.

Scared
Joran was in Peru during the interrogation scared and confused have been. At the hearing he would always be told that if he signed the confession to the Netherlands could.

De Telegraaf said that Joran Peruvian police misled him. If he would confess he would be extradited to the Netherlands. In that interview was even more clear about the circumstances in which they reside. For example, at night the rats through the toilet in his cell crawling

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/06_juni/21/binnenland/joran-houdt-kaken-stijf-op-elkaar.xml

[Northern Rose]

"Judge is none the wiser questioning Joran"

Joran van der Sloot has, as his lawyer had already been announced, said nothing during his first hearing Monday that was conducted by a Peruvian court. His lawyer Maximo Navarro Altez requires the confession that Joran did to the police about the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores withdrawal.

Van der Sloot was during the interview, which lasted just over one hour, silent and answered no questions of Judge Carlos Córdova Morales, Peruvian media reported. The hearing was held in the Miguel Castro Castro high-security prison, where Van der Sloot stuck since June 11. Van der Sloot said earlier by The Associated Press that he "blind panic" and his confession that he was misled by the Peruvian police.

His lawyer was after hearing the press no longer speak. Van der Sloot went after the hearing in the company of a Colombian hit man, with whom he shares a cell block, the World Cup match Chile - Swiss watch.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/391692/1/1/50/rechter-wordt-niets-wijzer-van-verhoor-joran.html

[Tamikosmom]

Joran must think he is still in Aruba where his confessions were allowed to be retracted time and time again ... where authorities either released or failed to arrest because they did not know what to believe.

Janet

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Van der Sloot declines to give statement in court appearanceBy the CNN Wire Staff
June 21, 2010 3:25 p.m. EDT

Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Joran van der Sloot told a judge Monday that his rights and due process were violated after his arrest in connection with the killing of a Peruvian woman, his attorney told CNN.

The judge will decide on the legality of van der Sloot's incarceration by Wednesday, lawyer Maximo Altez said. If the ruling is unfavorable to van der Sloot, Altez said he is prepared to appeal to the highest court.

While in front of the judge, however, van der Sloot declined to give a formal statement on the facts of the case, according to the court. The reason he gave was the ongoing motion for habeas corpus, which he hopes will nullify the statements he gave to police that led to his imprisonment.

Van der Sloot's decision will not hold up the legal proceedings against from advancing, the court said.

Meanwhile, in a Dutch newspaper article published Monday, van der Sloot says he was "tricked" into confessing to the murder of a Peruvian student, Stephany Flores Ramirez.

Peruvian police told him that if he signed the papers they gave him, he would be transferred to the Netherlands, he told De Telegraaf in a jail interview.

"In my blind panic I signed everything, but never knew what was written on them," he said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested over the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but never charged.

His mother said Saturday he was mentally unwell, De Telegraaf reported in what it called an exclusive interview with her.

Van der Sloot went to Peru to escape having to enter the high security section of a psychiatric hospital, Anita van der Sloot said.

She said he suffered severe psychological distress at the early death of his father, for which he blamed himself, she said, without giving further details.

She did not deny that he killed Flores.

She said she spoke to him shortly before Flores died and soon after and that he sounded paranoid, saying he was being "followed and watched," De Telegraaf reported.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Altez, has maintained that the judge in the case should strike down van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

But Peruvian police have defended the interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession was acquired legally.

According to transcripts of his confession, van der Sloot said he elbowed Flores in the face before strangling her and then suffocating her with his shirt.

The transcripts -- provided to CNN by a police source -- provide shocking details and give the public its first glimpse of why van der Sloot says the alleged murder took place. The source has not been named because he was not authorized to pass along the material.

"There was blood everywhere," van der Sloot said in the transcripts. "What am I going to do now. I had blood on my shirt. There was also blood on the bed, so, I took my shirt and put it on her face, pressing hard, until I killed Stephany."

Peruvian authorities have charged van der Sloot with murder.

Van der Sloot told authorities he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connected with the Holloway case.

In the transcript, van der Sloot said that after Flores read the e-mail, she punched him in the face.

"At that moment impulsively, with my right elbow I hit her in the face exactly on top of the nose," van der Sloot said. "I think she started to faint. It affected me so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a minute."

Van der Sloot said he had a quick thought to try and hide the body but instead fled.

He was arrested in Chile on June 3 and was returned the next day to Peru. Along with killing Flores, who had a broken neck, he took money and bank cards from her wallet, police said.

Van der Sloot told police in Chile a different story of how Flores died when he was arrested there, according to transcripts. He blamed the death on robbers who had waited for him at his hotel in Peru.

"There was a man coming from the access door with a knife in his hand," van der Sloot said. "The man with the knife hit her in the face, making her bleed through the nose."

But Peru authorities said they had overwhelming evidence pointing to van der Sloot, and when he was transferred to Peru, van der Sloot confessed to the crime, police said.

Van der Sloot said he was in Peru for a poker tournament and had met Flores while he was gambling.

Police have said they think van der Sloot killed Flores to steal money she won from gambling.

Van der Sloot offered a different motive.

"After I responded with hitting her, I feared that she would go to the police and they would detain me for what was an impulsive act," van der Sloot said. "I think I wanted to kill her because I wasn't thinking."

Van der Sloot is being held in a high-security area of the Miguel Castro Castro prison where only two of 10 cells are occupied, and he has no contact with inmates in the general prison population.

He is under guard 24 hours a day, authorities have said.

The only other inmate in the area is alleged Colombian hit man Hugo Trujillo Ospina. The two have spent some time together in a common area where there is a television set and weights made of broomsticks and soda bottles, authorities said.

There is the possibility that van der Sloot will be integrated with other segments of the prison population.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=C1

[seemeatthebeach]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

Total bullsh!t......he was transferred to Peru because that's where he committed a crime where he MURDERED Stephany Flores.

And according to the monster he turned himself in to Chilean authorities. Why would the idiot think they would try him in Chile when he committed a crime in Peru.

Peru will NOT put up with this stalling tactic..... he is only shooting his own foot. He will remain in prison while he plays his games. Not to mention, his continued lying will be to his detriment.
Let them throw out his confession, and this will go to trial......the evidence will speak for itself without his confession. Giving a confession in Peru is to the suspects best interest. No confession=longer sentence.

[tcumom]

Heck, I'm aggravated that he even has the opportunity to watch the World Cup.
 
I want him sitting in that stinky cell he shares with the rats, having nothing to do except sit.

[muisje]

RTL 4 television interview Tuesday with mom Joran van der Sloot

http://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&sourceid=ie8-activity&u=http%3A%2F%2Fzappen.blog.nl%2Frtl-nederland%2F2010%2F06%2F21%2Frtl-4-dinsdag-met-tv-interview-moeder-joran-van-der-sloot