Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[nychic]

That Pig is being allowed to watch World Cup IN JAIL ? WTF Is Going On ?
I realize that there is probably a very good reason for all of this royal treatment in that the Peruvians are being extra careful not to allow the Netherlands to say that his human rights are being violated or some other bullshit - but this sickens me
PULL THE PLUG ON THAT TV - That would be great payback since everyone knows he loves World Cup Soccer

Next thing I'm expecting is that a casino will be set up inside Castro Castro and The Pig will be teaching Texas Hold Em to other prisoners as part of their work rehab program !

[Edward]

Joran is not mentally ill. He is a cunning liar, able to manipulate the majority of the people he encounters, some to the point of no return.

He was even able to manipulate Greta S. last time around.
He is a professional. He really gets to females.

I hope PERU is able to break him down into the little man he really is.

 

[seemeatthebeach]

That Pig is being allowed to watch World Cup IN JAIL ? WTF Is Going On ?
I realize that there is probably a very good reason for all of this royal treatment in that the Peruvians are being extra careful not to allow the Netherlands to say that his human rights are being violated or some other bullshit - but this sickens me
PULL THE PLUG ON THAT TV - That would be great payback since everyone knows he loves World Cup Soccer

Next thing I'm expecting is that a casino will be set up inside Castro Castro and The Pig will be teaching Texas Hold Em to other prisoners as part of their work rehab program !

Maybe the prize would be a new set of Ben Wa balls for Joran. He must be missing his by now. LOL

[littletxlady]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

Yeah, it's unbelievable the stuff this guy comes up with!!!

Anita has her nasty little fingerprints all over this!

[muisje]

Joran to torture a confession

http://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&sourceid=ie8-activity&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1005%2FDigitaal%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F492270%2F2010%2F06%2F21%2FMartel-Joran-tot-een-bekentenis.dhtml

[carpe noctem]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

Yeah, it's unbelievable the stuff this guy comes up with!!!

Joran's email to John Ludwick:

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

May 26:
Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 10:
"I am going to Peru to live their (sic) until I need to go back to Thailand & take care of my shop.  I am done with Aruba.  Take care."


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Looks like he wanted to call Peru home! Well, he got his wish.

[littletxlady]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

Yeah, it's unbelievable the stuff this guy comes up with!!!

Anita has her nasty little fingerprints oops..pawprints all over this!

[Tamikosmom]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

At the very least Joran is conceding that he had prior knowledge of the impending extradition to the US to face extortion charges.

Was Joran afforded a heads up from Aruban authorities?

Janet

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Department of Justice Press Release
 
For Immediate Release
June 3, 2010 United States Attorney's Office
Northern District of Alabama
Contact: (205) 244-2001
 
Joran van der Sloot Charged with Fraud and Extortion in Birmingham

BIRMINGHAM—Federal prosecutors in Birmingham have filed a criminal complaint against JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, a citizen of the Netherlands, on wire fraud and extortion charges in connection with his soliciting money in May on promises he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains in Aruba and circumstances of her death, U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley announced today.

“We are committed to protecting citizens from unscrupulous individuals who attempt to financially exploit a person’s deepest fears and greatest loss,” Vance said.

The wire fraud and extortion charges are unrelated to the ongoing murder investigation in Peru, in which van der Sloot is an alleged person of interest.

Vance said her office filed the two-count criminal complaint today in U.S. District Court in Birmingham.

The complaint charges that van der Sloot, on May 10, extorted $15,000 from an individual as partial payment toward his promise to reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000. The maximum sentence on the extortion count is 20 years in prison.

The complaint also charges van der Sloot with wire fraud for causing the $15,000 to be transferred by wire from a Birmingham bank to a bank in the Netherlands in furtherance of his scheme to defraud. The maximum sentence for the wire fraud count is 30 years.

Vance thanked Aruban authorities for the assistance they provided in this investigation.
 
Members of the public are reminded that the criminal complaint contains only charges. A defendant is presumed not guilty.

Press Releases | Birmingham Home

http://birmingham.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/bh_060310.htm

[Scatty]

Joran is not mentally ill. He is a cunning liar, able to manipulate the majority of the people he encounters, some to the point of no return.

He was even able to manipulate Greta S. last time around.
He is a professional. He really gets to females.

I hope PERU is able to break him down into the little man he really is.

 

Ditto, Edward. I also think he is able to get to men as well as females, making them think he is their best bud in the world. There are always going to be people susceptible to sociopaths. Our only defense against these predators, is knowledge of what a sociopath is and their common traits.

[Kat_Gram]

Well, if he says he was tricked, they should just let him go. I mean they have to, don't they ? And they also didn't say please and thank you sir, either. That's got to count for something doesn't it ?
...
Make a public announcement on Peruvian TV as to when and just let him go from the prison gates. Give him some fast running shoes and let him GO man, just end it that way.

 

[robots]

the liar and his stupid idiotic defense lawyers....
hahahahahahaahahaha  doing what they do


good luck with that stuff joran,

aint gonna fly this time

i heard his new name is  jorana  from all the other prisoners

nawwwwwwwwww. not this time PUNK

<---------------not worried at all that he gets out

[Edward]

Joran is not mentally ill. He is a cunning liar, able to manipulate the majority of the people he encounters, some to the point of no return.

He was even able to manipulate Greta S. last time around.
He is a professional. He really gets to females.

I hope PERU is able to break him down into the little man he really is.

 

I am quoting  michelled at BFN ..
Joran is not mentally ill. He is a cunning liar, able to manipulate the majority of the people he encounters, some to the point of no return

I have said it before but I just liked the way SHE said it today.. BUT I must give her credit for it because it is right to do so.
 and as johanna 555 "little girl" at BFN demands it.. I guess he/she lurks here these days.

[AZSunny]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

Oh, my gosh, give me a break!!

[Jo-An]

John van den Heuvel on tv right now (RTL Boulevard).
He's the crime reporter who interviewed both Anita and Joran last week.
He said he already contacted Anita a couple of weeks ago and she agreed to do an interview last week.
Then he asked her if she could arrange an interview with Joran.
I didn't hear the whole thing, because I was on the phone but...

Just watched the re-run online and John van den Heuvel had this to say about his visit to Joran:

Joran seemed calm, all the stress of the past few weeks seems to have disappeared.
He's come to terms with the fact that he is now locked up.
There were reports that he felt unsafe and threatenend, but that's not true.
John asked him if he was innocent and Joran didn't say that he was innocent but he doesn't want to go in to that.
John also talked to Joran's lawyer, he said that there were countless procedural errors and he's convinced that Joran will be a free man soon.
He talked to Joran for about 20 mins.
Joran is willing to undergo psychological and psychiatric tests.
His lawyer said that if those test say that Joran is mentally ill, he might be transferred from the prison to a mental hospital.
And earlier I said that it was Joran who said the FBI lured him to Peru, but John says he and his team investigated the whole extortion case and they now think that it was indeed the FBI that lured Joran to Peru.

I find that extremely hard to believe tbh...
And even if it is true, Joran still killed an innocent girl and should be sentenced to xx years for that!

[robots]

Well, if he says he was tricked, they should just let him go. I mean they have to, don't they ? And they also didn't say please and thank you sir, either. That's got to count for something doesn't it ?
...
Make a public announcement on Peruvian TV as to when and just let him go from the prison gates. Give him some fast running shoes and let him GO man, just end it that way.

 

LOL

[carpe noctem]

John van den Heuvel on tv right now (RTL Boulevard).
He's the crime reporter who interviewed both Anita and Joran last week.
He said he already contacted Anita a couple of weeks ago and she agreed to do an interview last week.
Then he asked her if she could arrange an interview with Joran.
I didn't hear the whole thing, because I was on the phone but...

Just watched the re-run online and John van den Heuvel had this to say about his visit to Joran:

Joran seemed calm, all the stress of the past few weeks seems to have disappeared.
He's come to terms with the fact that he is now locked up.
There were reports that he felt unsafe and threatenend, but that's not true.
John asked him if he was innocent and Joran didn't say that he was innocent but he doesn't want to go in to that.
John also talked to Joran's lawyer, he said that there were countless procedural errors and he's convinced that Joran will be a free man soon.
He talked to Joran for about 20 mins.
Joran is willing to undergo psychological and psychiatric tests.
His lawyer said that if those test say that Joran is mentally ill, he might be transferred from the prison to a mental hospital.
And earlier I said that it was Joran who said the FBI lured him to Peru, but John says he and his team investigated the whole extortion case and they now think that it was indeed the FBI that lured Joran to Peru.

I find that extremely hard to believe tbh...
And even if it is true, Joran still killed an innocent girl and should be sentenced to xx years for that!

It is all crap. Joran will be a dead man soon.

...but I am glad you posted it... it blows my mind that they think he has even the slightest chance of getting out of this.

[Anna]

John van den Heuvel on tv right now (RTL Boulevard).
He's the crime reporter who interviewed both Anita and Joran last week.
He said he already contacted Anita a couple of weeks ago and she agreed to do an interview last week.
Then he asked her if she could arrange an interview with Joran.
I didn't hear the whole thing, because I was on the phone but...

Just watched the re-run online and John van den Heuvel had this to say about his visit to Joran:

Joran seemed calm, all the stress of the past few weeks seems to have disappeared.
He's come to terms with the fact that he is now locked up.
There were reports that he felt unsafe and threatenend, but that's not true.
John asked him if he was innocent and Joran didn't say that he was innocent but he doesn't want to go in to that.
John also talked to Joran's lawyer, he said that there were countless procedural errors and he's convinced that Joran will be a free man soon.
He talked to Joran for about 20 mins.
Joran is willing to undergo psychological and psychiatric tests.
His lawyer said that if those test say that Joran is mentally ill, he might be transferred from the prison to a mental hospital.
And earlier I said that it was Joran who said the FBI lured him to Peru, but John says he and his team investigated the whole extortion case and they now think that it was indeed the FBI that lured Joran to Peru.

I find that extremely hard to believe tbh...
And even if it is true, Joran still killed an innocent girl and should be sentenced to xx years for that!

It makes no sense at all that the FBI would "Lure" Joran anywhere when they already had everything authorized with Aruba to arrest and extradite Joran.

What is this John smoking that he would buy into Joran's delusion like this?

[the big hammer]

Contempt of Court, Obstruction of Justice

The goon and his legal help had better ensure that the claim of violated rights is reasonably made, that relevant facts can be found to support the contention, that a duly signed confession executed with competent legal advice as witness should be subject to review.

Otherwise...if found that he abuses accepted judicial process, that he wastes the court's time, resources and assets, he could well find himself prosecuted for capital murder PLUS the Peruvian equivalents of contempt of court and obstruction of justice.

.

[EURobert]

Don't know if this was posted yet.

Joran van der Sloot refused to testify before the judge for the crime of Stephany Flores

According to his lawyer, the Dutchman will not speak until they thrive filed habeas corpus to overturn police investigation

Monday June 21, 2010 - 1:07 pm

The confessed murderer of the student Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot , declined today to answer questions from Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, who came to the Castro Castro prison for a first diligently with the subject.

Radio Programs reported, the judge stayed for nearly an hour inside the prison, and finally had to put on record the refusal of the Dutchman in a joint report with the prosecutor.

In the abortive diligence also participated Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness, who retired without giving statements to the press. As reported by the radio, even before the lawyer had said his client did not declare before the judge until an unsuccessful habeas corpus filed for the annulment of all proceedings, ie his confession to the crime.

We also learned that just before the arrival of the judge, Van der Sloot watched the game Switzerland-Chile in the company of hitman Ospina Colombian Alejandro Trujillo.

With whom it wanted to talk Van der Sloot was with a journalist of "De Telegraaf"
who told Flores confessed to the crime in exchange for an alleged offer of extradition by the police. This interview was broadcast today.

http://tinyurl.com/3xpbfeg

[Spock]

Joran is not mentally ill. He is a cunning liar, able to manipulate the majority of the people he encounters, some to the point of no return.

He is mentally ill, it is not just a ploy.