Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[justinsmama]

Things were crazy busy at the home front this weekend and I haven't had time to check in until now.  I hope all monkeys are well as you and your tireless efforts are never far from my thoughts.  As always, thanks for all you do.

That said, here are a few thoughts I had as I was catching up:

I don't know that anyone could believe that JVDS was lured to Peru as much as they could believe that he ran.  He never seemed to run to anything as much as he seemed to run away - IMHO. 

Alabamanna: I have to agree with you.  Something would have to go terribly, cosmically &  egregiously wrong i order to allow JVDS to step foot no Aruban soil again.  I pray that never happens.  I hope the Peruvians hold him as long as possible.  I can see the ACLU taking issue with numerous “accidents” that could would might happen to him in Alabama

About A's claim that he was "sick in the head" - it’s almost as if he had DID.  (Not sure if anyone brought this up yet or not, but it seemed interesting enough to explore…)  There’s the Dumb One who tries to stage scenes, like exiting the room with empty coffee cups only to get “locked out.”  There is the Cruel One who taunts Natalee’s family.  The Young One who runs when it gets messy.  Romeo is the one who can charm his way into, and out of, numerous situations.  There are others I’m sure I’ve neglected to name but these come readily to mind.  Is it that he’s played another part so long that he got lost somewhere in the mix? 

Whether a psychopath,sociopath, schizophrenic or person afflicted with borderline personality disorder – is this still the best thing his mom could come up with while she was busy reaching?  To say he was possessed would have been more interesting.  Evil spirits and voices in your head telling you to do things are always a good fall back excuse.  Let’s not forget the shamans/spiritualists at the ready to excise the evil demons.  Now that could have been handy….

With kind rgds,
C

Self edit for clarity...

Every aspect of Joran results in only one diagnosis- Antisocial Personality Disorder. Not a defense. I called this within weeks of Natalee's disappearance, and time has only strengthened it.

[ozziesmom]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

[klaasend]

WooHoo - GO TJ!

[klaasend]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

[akmom]

GO TJ!!!  on JVM

[klaasend]

Finally someone with the balls to out Renfro for the two faced witch she is!

[ozziesmom]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

He should have read Anita's too! lol

I hope they're all going through his FB......

The truth about these people must come out!!!!

[Tylergal]

Joran told the Telegraaf reporter that he was lured to Peru by the FBI in order to be extradited to the USA so he could be arrested there. Because Peru has an extradition treaty with the US and Aruba doesn't, at least not when it comes to extortion.
Apparently this is written in tomorrow's paper.

he's BLAMING the FBI for being in PERU????? WTF??? I hate this kid! I guess they told him to kill Stefany too huh?

Yeah, it's unbelievable the stuff this guy comes up with!!!

Joran's email to John Ludwick:

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me.  Take care & enjoy your b-day."

May 26:
Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

May 10:
"I am going to Peru to live their (sic) until I need to go back to Thailand & take care of my shop.  I am done with Aruba.  Take care."


----

Looks like he wanted to call Peru home! Well, he got his wish.

The only thing that lured Joran to Peru was a poker table, and the opportunity to steal someones $$$$$.

Didn't he tell his demon mother he was "invited" to a tournament in Peru? Of course mother sloot could be lying about the "love note" Joran left for her. They both lie as naturally as we breath air.

It is always hard to know whether Anita is telling the truth or not.  Joran got his fable skills from that frizzy-haired pig woman.

[MisGivings]

Hi Monkeys...this is my first time posting in Natalee's thread and I wanted to share the thoughts I've been having for several days.

IMO, Stephany's family MUST believe their precious daughter did not die in vain.  It's the only thing that is getting them through their days.
To that end, IMO, Mr. Flores will make sure that nobody will besmirch her memory or her good name.  He will not allow Aruba, Anita, media and most of all Joran, to make a mockery of his daughter or his country.  IMO, he's on a mission to return Natalee to her parents as that's the only way he can justify his loss.  I thank God this man seems to have the influence and the wherewithal to make it happen.  I have great faith that Joran's and Anita's actions will only fuel that fire that surely burns within Mr. Flores.

Welcome.
I think Joran's attorney is a dead man walking.

[MisGivings]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

Which was...???

[Gypsy DD]

Should Joran's attorney succeed in getting the confession throw out (or more li8kely the judge decide there is more evidence than needed without it) it does not mean Joran goes free.

It means he will not be detained any longer on the basis of his confession.  So Peru will then detain him based on something else like forensic evidence.

It's really no big deal and certainly not any game cchanger.

CNN June 11, 2010


In an interview with CNN, Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession that he killed Flores was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law," he said.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has told CNN that he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla said Peruvian investigators were still waiting for judicial permission in order to investigate the contents of van der Sloot's computer.

"There has to be authorization from the judge to open the laptop," he said.

But already authorities have gathered significant evidence, Canlla said.

Blood stains found on van der Sloot's clothes match Flores' blood type, he said.

"We found blood stains on the victim's clothes, and we found blood stains on his clothes, which, according to biological testing, they correspond to the victim," he said.

Police said in a statement Thursday that van der Sloot presumably attacked Flores to rob her of the money she had won gambling at a casino. The two met playing poker on May 27 and had several encounters before driving together to the hotel where van der Sloot was staying on May 30.

After killing her, the police statement said, van der Sloot cleaned the room in an attempt to hide evidence of the crime, changed clothes and fled with Flores' money, bank cards and black Jeep.

Police said evidence against van der Sloot includes his confession, forensic data, surveillance videos and fingerprints lifted from the crime scene and Flores' Jeep.

Altez, van der Sloot's lawyer, claims he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

But Canlla said there were no irregularities in the investigation.

Van der Sloot, 22, was arrested in Chile on June 4 and returned to Peru the next day.

Canlla said police will likely accuse van der Sloot of committing homicide, robbery and obstructing justice. The two drivers who took him across the border to Chile will also be accused of obstructing justice, he said.

While van der Sloot was never charged in connection with Holloway's disappearance in 2005, U.S. authorities filed extortion and wire fraud charges against the Dutch man this week.

An Interpol document says van der Sloot faces criminal charges in Alabama because he allegedly tried to extort money from Holloway's mother.

A federal law enforcement agent told CNN that a representative for Natalee Holloway's mother who paid $25,000 for information on the whereabouts of her daughter's remains last month was an undercover FBI agent.

Van der Sloot said he would reveal the location of the body and the circumstances surrounding Holloway's death for $25,000 in cash and asked for $250,000 in total, the document states.

The FBI and U.S. Attorney's office in Birmingham arranged for a meeting where van der Sloot was paid $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 in a wire transfer, a source familiar with the case said.

The meeting took place last month, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham.

Interpol documents show that the $15,000 was transferred to a personal bank account in the Netherlands.

It's unclear whether that money paid for van der Sloot's trip to Colombia and to Peru.

In exchange for the money, van der Sloot showed the representative a house where supposedly Holloway's remains were, according to the document. When records showed that the house had not yet been built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted that he lied, Interpol said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

Blonde..thank you..this is the voice of reason...Joran's DNA was found..and her blood matched by DNA was found on Joran's clothes.  Case closed..no one else entered or exited that room but Joran.  Rather he confessed or not..the evidence is there.  End of story.

Rather or not he wants to discuss it makes no difference at this point..they have the evidence..it is DNA. 

And wow..what happened to the new lawyer he was suppoed to get.saw the evidence and said no thank you?

[klaasend]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

Which was...???

From Joran's facebook:

May 14, 2010 – Anita and Renfro post to Joran.

On Joran's FB
Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm

[MisGivings]

Should Joran's attorney succeed in getting the confession throw out (or more li8kely the judge decide there is more evidence than needed without it) it does not mean Joran goes free.

It means he will not be detained any longer on the basis of his confession.  So Peru will then detain him based on something else like forensic evidence.

It's really no big deal and certainly not any game cchanger.

CNN June 11, 2010


In an interview with CNN, Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession that he killed Flores was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law," he said.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has told CNN that he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla said Peruvian investigators were still waiting for judicial permission in order to investigate the contents of van der Sloot's computer.

"There has to be authorization from the judge to open the laptop," he said.

But already authorities have gathered significant evidence, Canlla said.

Blood stains found on van der Sloot's clothes match Flores' blood type, he said.

"We found blood stains on the victim's clothes, and we found blood stains on his clothes, which, according to biological testing, they correspond to the victim," he said.

Police said in a statement Thursday that van der Sloot presumably attacked Flores to rob her of the money she had won gambling at a casino. The two met playing poker on May 27 and had several encounters before driving together to the hotel where van der Sloot was staying on May 30.

After killing her, the police statement said, van der Sloot cleaned the room in an attempt to hide evidence of the crime, changed clothes and fled with Flores' money, bank cards and black Jeep.

Police said evidence against van der Sloot includes his confession, forensic data, surveillance videos and fingerprints lifted from the crime scene and Flores' Jeep.

Altez, van der Sloot's lawyer, claims he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

But Canlla said there were no irregularities in the investigation.

Van der Sloot, 22, was arrested in Chile on June 4 and returned to Peru the next day.

Canlla said police will likely accuse van der Sloot of committing homicide, robbery and obstructing justice. The two drivers who took him across the border to Chile will also be accused of obstructing justice, he said.

While van der Sloot was never charged in connection with Holloway's disappearance in 2005, U.S. authorities filed extortion and wire fraud charges against the Dutch man this week.

An Interpol document says van der Sloot faces criminal charges in Alabama because he allegedly tried to extort money from Holloway's mother.

A federal law enforcement agent told CNN that a representative for Natalee Holloway's mother who paid $25,000 for information on the whereabouts of her daughter's remains last month was an undercover FBI agent.

Van der Sloot said he would reveal the location of the body and the circumstances surrounding Holloway's death for $25,000 in cash and asked for $250,000 in total, the document states.

The FBI and U.S. Attorney's office in Birmingham arranged for a meeting where van der Sloot was paid $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 in a wire transfer, a source familiar with the case said.

The meeting took place last month, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham.

Interpol documents show that the $15,000 was transferred to a personal bank account in the Netherlands.

It's unclear whether that money paid for van der Sloot's trip to Colombia and to Peru.

In exchange for the money, van der Sloot showed the representative a house where supposedly Holloway's remains were, according to the document. When records showed that the house had not yet been built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted that he lied, Interpol said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

Blonde..thank you..this is the voice of reason...Joran's DNA was found..and her blood matched by DNA was found on Joran's clothes.  Case closed..no one else entered or exited that room but Joran.  Rather he confessed or not..the evidence is there.  End of story.

Rather or not he wants to discuss it makes no difference at this point..they have the evidence..it is DNA. 

And wow..what happened to the new lawyer he was suppoed to get.saw the evidence and said no thank you?

Interesting point from RU;
Didn't Joran say in his confession, when they asked him if he wanted to add or change anything, "I want to read everything." ...so how did they rush him to sign it

[MisGivings]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

Which was...???

From Joran's facebook:

May 14, 2010 – Anita and Renfro post to Joran.

On Joran's FB
Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm

Aw, that hokey statement. Thanks, I thought she was posting more BS there.

[jjayinthemorning]

Did we really expect Joran to do anything by deny, lie and retract his statements? It's a constant cycle with him.

When will the judges make a decision?

[ozziesmom]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

Which was...???

From Joran's facebook:

May 14, 2010 – Anita and Renfro post to Joran.

On Joran's FB
Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm

did she delete her profile?

[MisGivings]

Should Joran's attorney succeed in getting the confession throw out (or more li8kely the judge decide there is more evidence than needed without it) it does not mean Joran goes free.

It means he will not be detained any longer on the basis of his confession.  So Peru will then detain him based on something else like forensic evidence.

It's really no big deal and certainly not any game cchanger.

CNN June 11, 2010


In an interview with CNN, Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession that he killed Flores was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law," he said.

But van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has told CNN that he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession, because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla said Peruvian investigators were still waiting for judicial permission in order to investigate the contents of van der Sloot's computer.

"There has to be authorization from the judge to open the laptop," he said.

But already authorities have gathered significant evidence, Canlla said.

Blood stains found on van der Sloot's clothes match Flores' blood type, he said.

"We found blood stains on the victim's clothes, and we found blood stains on his clothes, which, according to biological testing, they correspond to the victim," he said.

Police said in a statement Thursday that van der Sloot presumably attacked Flores to rob her of the money she had won gambling at a casino. The two met playing poker on May 27 and had several encounters before driving together to the hotel where van der Sloot was staying on May 30.

After killing her, the police statement said, van der Sloot cleaned the room in an attempt to hide evidence of the crime, changed clothes and fled with Flores' money, bank cards and black Jeep.

Police said evidence against van der Sloot includes his confession, forensic data, surveillance videos and fingerprints lifted from the crime scene and Flores' Jeep.

Altez, van der Sloot's lawyer, claims he has found indications that the handling of the evidence was tainted, especially the way the body was handled during the crime scene investigation.

But Canlla said there were no irregularities in the investigation.

Van der Sloot, 22, was arrested in Chile on June 4 and returned to Peru the next day.

Canlla said police will likely accuse van der Sloot of committing homicide, robbery and obstructing justice. The two drivers who took him across the border to Chile will also be accused of obstructing justice, he said.

While van der Sloot was never charged in connection with Holloway's disappearance in 2005, U.S. authorities filed extortion and wire fraud charges against the Dutch man this week.

An Interpol document says van der Sloot faces criminal charges in Alabama because he allegedly tried to extort money from Holloway's mother.

A federal law enforcement agent told CNN that a representative for Natalee Holloway's mother who paid $25,000 for information on the whereabouts of her daughter's remains last month was an undercover FBI agent.

Van der Sloot said he would reveal the location of the body and the circumstances surrounding Holloway's death for $25,000 in cash and asked for $250,000 in total, the document states.

The FBI and U.S. Attorney's office in Birmingham arranged for a meeting where van der Sloot was paid $10,000 in cash and another $15,000 in a wire transfer, a source familiar with the case said.

The meeting took place last month, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham.

Interpol documents show that the $15,000 was transferred to a personal bank account in the Netherlands.

It's unclear whether that money paid for van der Sloot's trip to Colombia and to Peru.

In exchange for the money, van der Sloot showed the representative a house where supposedly Holloway's remains were, according to the document. When records showed that the house had not yet been built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted that he lied, Interpol said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3

Blonde..thank you..this is the voice of reason...Joran's DNA was found..and her blood matched by DNA was found on Joran's clothes.  Case closed..no one else entered or exited that room but Joran.  Rather he confessed or not..the evidence is there.  End of story.

Rather or not he wants to discuss it makes no difference at this point..they have the evidence..it is DNA. 

And wow..what happened to the new lawyer he was suppoed to get.saw the evidence and said no thank you?

"I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends."
I guess now that would be the rats.

[klaasend]

TJ just read Julia's FB message! lmao...BUSTED!

I LOVE IT!

Which was...???

From Joran's facebook:

May 14, 2010 – Anita and Renfro post to Joran.

On Joran's FB
Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm

did she delete her profile?

I don't think any of the profiles have been deleted but I believe they are all set to private.  Unfortunately for them Joran has many friends that are also enemies. 

[ozziesmom]

I can't find Renhoe

[Tamikosmom]

The evidence should stand alone in the quest by the Pervian prosecutor for a conviction in the Stephany Flores case.  Nevertheless ... when the status of this case is considered ... I can only assume that all the i's were dotted and t's were crossed when obtaining Joran's confession.

Janet

++++++

Van der Sloot charged with murder in PeruFrom Mayra Cuevas , CNN
June 17, 2010 9:28 p.m. EDT

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Maximo Alonso Altez Navarro, has said he plans to ask the judge in the case to strike down van der Sloot's confession because he was not properly represented when he was interrogated.

Canlla defended his department's interrogation and said van der Sloot's confession was acquired legally.

"The statement was done within all the requirements stipulated by Peruvian law," he said.

Canlla said investigators were still waiting for judicial permission in order to investigate the contents of van der Sloot's computer.

But authorities have gathered significant evidence, he said.

Bloodstains found on van der Sloot's clothes match Flores' blood type, he said.

"We found bloodstains on the victim's clothes, and we found bloodstains on his clothes, which, according to biological testing, they correspond to the victim," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T3


Peru police give Joran van der Sloot case to prosecutors
Updated 6/10/2010 6:00 PM

The case against the young Dutchman, who also remains the lone suspect in the Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, goes to prosecutors Thursday so they can file formal charges, said the official, Gen. Cesar Guardia.

"We've practically closed the case," he told the Associated Press. "He's confessed with a wealth of details that have been corroborated through criminal investigative rigor."

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-06-10-vandersloot-peru-case_N.htm