Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[akmom]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

[klaasend]

Good news is the NG transcripts are up pretty quickly

[texasmom]

I know what you mean Blue Moon...my BP is up too!  UGGGHHHH

The confession wasn't the whole truth as usual anyway.  How many times did he say he hit her?  Once with the elbow?  What did the autopsy say?  10 strong punches to the face iirc, a broken neck, bruises all over her!  That animal always minimizes his crime and tries to blame the victim for his uncontrollable rage!

I hope they do throw the confession out, charge him with the evidence they have and throw that POS into General Population where he belongs!  Like someone else mentioned earlier it makes my blood boil to know he's sitting in there reading the daily newspaper, watching the world cup with another assassin, and picking and choosing which media he'll speak to!  Give me a freaking break! 

Psychological findings...per jinkasaurus

(not exact)

Low tolerance to frustration
if you contradict him,  he exhibits challenging attitude
emotionally inmature
small criticism makes him out of control, and he is likely to harm others
domination over the opposite sex
does not value the female role

[San]

FROM NANCY GRACE

A few results from the psychological examination given to Joran:

It is from psychological testing done to Joran. "Low tolerance towards frustration.  Does not tolerate when someone tries to contradict him.  It generates in him a challenging attitude.  Emotionally immature which creates in him strong changes in his behavior which goes from a simple criticism to becoming out of control.  Which can move him to commit acts against the life of another.  He reflects certain domination over the opposite sex.  He doesn't value the female role."

That is just some conclusions from Joran Van der Sloot's psychological evaluation.

[texasmom]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

[Gypsy DD]

My personal take on today is..all the I didn't mean to confess.etc, etc, doesn't hold water in a PERU COURT.   

It may make him feel better and his counsel..but at the end of the day..they have a confession, they have her DNA ..in the form of blood on his shirt, they have video of his trying to produce an alabi..good luck with that..joran we also see you entering the room again.   We do not see anyone else entering or exiting..we do not find anyone else's DNA but yours and Stephany's.

Her car is missing her money..which her father said she kept in the glove box..it is missing her WI, it is missing other items you sold or batered.  She is missing her necklace, bracelet, earrings and bank and credit cards.

You were running from US authoritys with $25,000 ...where is that..we haven't heard but it either went to casino debts in the days prior to Stephany's murder..which wouldn't be hard to trace..or to drug dealers and past debts you owed.  Either way..you are screwed dude..your days are numbered. 

Peru has the upper hand now..and I believe in their system totally.  If our jails were more like theirs..we would have far less crime. 

[Magnolia]

June 21, 2010

Official report from events of Judge Morales with defendant, Joran van der Sloot
   
Van der Sloot refused to give a preliminary statement
Defendant requests that, previously, habeas corpus is resolved

•Decision does not effect the criminal proceedings will continue with other scheduled proceedings

•The statement is a means of proof which will be evaluated by the judge to determine the responsibility of the accused or not.
Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot refused this morning to make a preliminary statement before the magistrate of the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, Dr. Carlos Morales Cordova, who processes it as an alleged perpetrator of the crime of simple murder and theft to the detriment of Stephany Flores Ramírez.

The Dutchman claimed that citizens will not declare it is pending the writ of habeas corpus filed in order to be declared invalid statements surrendered to the police because, he says, he breached their rights of defense.

 As director of instruction and with the favorable opinion of the Deputy Prosecutor Jesus Ascencio Solis, Dr. Córdova Morales suspended the diligence to which this is carried out at the time, according to the development of the judicial investigation and decision of the accused to testify .

THE PROCESS CONTINUES

 The judge explained that the preliminary hearing in the combination of evidence to gather during the judicial investigation in due course, will be evaluated to determine the innocence or degree of responsibility of the accused.

 Meanwhile, others reported that the notes provided by his trial continue according to schedule to meet the target of the investigation stage: establishment of the facts and accountability.

To this end, the instructive to the other defendants, brothers John Oswald and John Williams Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Alberto Uribe parapet, will be held on 23, 24 and 25 June respectively. En todos los casos, a las 14:30 horas. In all cases, at 14:30.

The above defendants are processed with a subpoena restricted by failure to report crime. They are accused of having facilitated the transportation of Van der Sloot Nazca to Tacna despite allegedly knew about the crime that he would have incurred.

 Dr. Córdova Morales also ordered the implementation of psychological and psychiatric expertise to the principal defendant, and the necropsy ratificaciónde and all expert reports made in the preliminary stage (fingerprint, forensic psychology, criminal roadworthiness, toxicological, etc.), the specialists to explain the reasons for their opinions.

 It was reported that the reconstruction of the events will be scheduled in due course, depending on progress of the criminal proceedings.

. Dr. Morales Cordova finally called on the press to report responsibly and truthfully, in order not to affect the development process.

 Lima, June 21, 2010
 OFFICE OF MEDIA AND IMAGE ISNTITUCIONAL

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[Scatty]

What a POS Anita and Joran both are.  He hung over the coffin of his father and swore it was his fault.  Now, that is really a way to show respect and redeem himself by going out and killing a young woman who he has robbed.  Man, I bet old Paulus is turning over in the frying pan.

Typical narcissist. He had to make his father's funeral all about him.
On NG they are talking about how his attorney should have played it in court today. But when an attorney has Joran as a client, Van der Sloot's ego is in charge. No one can tell that arrogant jerk what he should do. Thank goodness.

[texasmom]

Anita van der Sloot is sick in the head too!

JMO

[texasmom]

Anita van der Sloot is sick in the head too!

JMO

And SHOULD NOT BE A SCHOOL TEACHER!

[klaasend]

Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET!

Starts in 10 minutes.  Click on the link below:

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[akmom]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

Hmmm, so I wonder if she fought back hard because of the effect of those and that helps to account for her horrific wounds.  They did mention on NG that it may be she took the uppers to stay up all night for poker

[San]

Anita van der Sloot is sick in the head too!

JMO

I agree.

[nychic]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

Amphetamines would likely be a diet pill like phentermine - the wrappers found in the car were reported as GHB the date rape drug - 2 very different drugs as the first will speed up the heart rate (and she probably took them to stay up all night) and the other will make a person very tired and has an effect on your memory of what happened while under the influence (what I believe was given to Natalee but Natalee had a reaction to it - imo she vomited but it went unnoticed by the 3 pigs while they raped her and that is "the bad thing that happened")

[seemeatthebeach]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

Hmmm, so I wonder if she fought back hard because of the effect of those and that helps to account for her horrific wounds.  They did mention on NG that it may be she took the uppers to stay up all night for poker

Amphetamines are also used as performance enhancers which probably allowed her to defend and fight off Joran with more force.....but unfortunately she was no match for the monster considering his size and strength.

[carpe noctem]

Anita van der Sloot is sick in the head too!

JMO

I agree.

We have all been saying that vicious old lying slop bag should have been locked away in a mental hospital for years. although, some use different lingo... the song remains the same.

[blah]

Who or what is Jinkosaurus?

[texasmom]

She said Stephany DID have amphetamines in her system.  I do not know a lot about drugs, would that be the same type of drug that they thought the wrappers were in her car??

IMO, no

Amphetamines could be prescription diet pills, in other words an "upper".  She may have been taking them to stay awake, or alert to be up all night.

I think roofies are considered a "downer".

But with the time it took to find her body, I don't know if the roofie would still show up!

IMO, because she had amphetamine in her system, the roofie may not have had the full effect since I think they have basically the opposite effect on the system.  In other words they would work against each other if I understand what each does correctly.

Hmmm, so I wonder if she fought back hard because of the effect of those and that helps to account for her horrific wounds.  They did mention on NG that it may be she took the uppers to stay up all night for poker

I think her father did say in the beginning that she fought for her life (evidence under her fingernails), that would have probably just made his rage worse.

[klaasend]

Who or what is Jinkosaurus?

Jean Casarez, a reporter for HLN (In Sessions).  But the way NG says it it comes out Jinkosaurus, LOL

[texasmom]

Who or what is Jinkosaurus?

Jean Casarez...reporting on Nancy Grace from Peru.

I couldn't remember how to spell her name!  LOL