Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[klaasend]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7010893/__Joran_praat__maar_niet_met_rechter__.html?view=print

Through translator:

"I wish I had listened to my mother '
Joran talk, but not right
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA (Peru) - Joran van der Sloot has refused to answer every question from the investigating judge Peruvian Carlos Morales.

He was yesterday brought before the court in the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison in Lima. This took place in presence of his lawyer Máximo Altez.

Joran's interview, which appears today in this newspaper, resulted yesterday in the U.S. media to a flood of publications. Most major news channels opened with the declaration that Joran claims to have been deceived and withdraw his statements.

He would have made a confession, with the promise that he would soon be extradited. Meanwhile, raises questions about the role of the FBI. There is a growing number of indications that the federal police surrounding the death of Stephany Flores an undercover operation against Joran performed. In the hotel where the girl was found, for example, show the total lack of security cameras that were designed to hang in room 309.

The cameras are not standard and are hung in every case removed, it revealed yesterday during a visit to the Hotel in Lima Tac.

The Chinese family, who run the hotel, has a gag order. Stayed in the hotel along with Joran a poker player, possibly an American agent, who persuaded him to come to Lima. He was also the hotel it indirectly reminded that Joran was gone and the room had to be initiated. The presumption is that the Peruvian police, the FBI also received the observation images. Joran told The Associated Press that this man, Elton Garcia everything for him "was arranged and paid for".

Lots of BS in this article

[canoworms]

Tue June 22, 2010, 5:30


"I wish I had listened to my mother '
Joran talk, but not right

by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses



LIMA (Peru) - Joran van der Sloot has refused to answer every question from the investigating judge Peruvian Carlos Morales.




http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7010893/__Joran_praat__maar_niet_met_rechter__.html



He was yesterday brought before the court in the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison in Lima. This took place in presence of his lawyer Máximo Altez.

Joran's interview, which appears today in this newspaper, resulted yesterday in the U.S. media to a flood of publications. Most major news channels opened with the declaration that Joran claims to have been deceived and withdraw his statements.

He would have made a confession, with the promise that he would soon be extradited. Meanwhile, raises questions about the role of the FBI. There is a growing number of indications that the federal police surrounding the death of Stephany Flores an undercover operation against Joran performed. In the hotel where the girl was found, for example, show the total lack of security cameras that were designed to hang in room 309.

The cameras are not standard and are hung in every case removed, it revealed yesterday during a visit to the Hotel in Lima Tac.

The Chinese family, who run the hotel, has a gag order. Stayed in the hotel along with Joran a poker player, possibly an American agent, who persuaded him to come to Lima. He was also the hotel it indirectly reminded that Joran was gone and the room had to be initiated. The presumption is that the Peruvian police, the FBI also received the observation images. Joran told The Associated Press that this man, Elton Garcia everything for him "was arranged and paid for"

I knew that Elton Garcia was a hink meter. Albanians are heavies in the Toronto "group" of Aruban related "businessmen".
I wonder where he is now since it was reported that he couldn't leave the country.
was he babysitting Joran?

[carpe noctem]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/7010893/__Joran_praat__maar_niet_met_rechter__.html?view=print

Through translator:

"I wish I had listened to my mother '
Joran talk, but not right
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses
LIMA (Peru) - Joran van der Sloot has refused to answer every question from the investigating judge Peruvian Carlos Morales.

He was yesterday brought before the court in the heavily guarded Castro Castro prison in Lima. This took place in presence of his lawyer Máximo Altez.

Joran's interview, which appears today in this newspaper, resulted yesterday in the U.S. media to a flood of publications. Most major news channels opened with the declaration that Joran claims to have been deceived and withdraw his statements.

He would have made a confession, with the promise that he would soon be extradited. Meanwhile, raises questions about the role of the FBI. There is a growing number of indications that the federal police surrounding the death of Stephany Flores an undercover operation against Joran performed. In the hotel where the girl was found, for example, show the total lack of security cameras that were designed to hang in room 309.

The cameras are not standard and are hung in every case removed, it revealed yesterday during a visit to the Hotel in Lima Tac.

The Chinese family, who run the hotel, has a gag order. Stayed in the hotel along with Joran a poker player, possibly an American agent, who persuaded him to come to Lima. He was also the hotel it indirectly reminded that Joran was gone and the room had to be initiated. The presumption is that the Peruvian police, the FBI also received the observation images. Joran told The Associated Press that this man, Elton Garcia everything for him "was arranged and paid for".

Lot's of BS in this article

I hope they keep the spin wars up, though.

It enrages, enflames, and infuriates. This gives a tremendous battery charge!

It is going to get him slaughtered.

Which is precisely what I want.

[Port Valerie]

I am so angry that the Peruvian system allows Joran to profit while detained ... profit from the horrific murder of one of their own.  It is so wrong.

Janet

I'm not worried about that. Where can he spend it? They'll get it all back in the prison system, for delivering food and water.

I would imagine the lawyers are there cleaning the kitty as it is fed.

Okay with me as long as the money stays in Peru and doesn't go back to Aruba.

[martini]

The Chinese family , who run the hotel , has a gag order . stayed in the hotel along with Joran a poker player , possibly an American agent , who persuaded him to come to Lima . He was also the hotel it indirectly reminded that Joran was gone and the room had to be initiated . The presumption is that the Peruvian police , the FBI also received the observation images . Joran told The Associated Press that this man , Elton Garcia everything for him " was arranged and paid for " .

a gag order...

Elton Garcia???

[Anna]

Surely this article is not based on the fact that the cameras are not in the hotel right now.

DUH!  Did they ever think that the police have confiscated them as evidence???

Or have I misunderstood something?

[Magnolia]

Have we heard of Elton Garcia before?

[crazybabyborg]

Robots will be back in 5 minutes,  he just got down hurling his GUTS out for 20 minutes straight,  too many pictures of ANITA for him to handle

LOL! Aw, Robots, you've just had too many puffs of that celebration cigar!  <wink>

Hi All! I've been in State Inspectorship Hell all day, but I have to share something with you guys. I was at my desk when the State Inspectors "surprise visited" us (about as much fun as those monthly visits we ladies so look forward to). Anyway, I had an article about Joran up on my computer when they showed up, so I quickly hit minimize and went out to face them. Later, I offered my desk for them to review charts, and when I stuck my head in to ask for clarification from the list of documents they were requesting, one of the inspectors had pulled up the article. I held my breath for a minute, not knowing what to say, and she turned to me and said, "I'm so sorry, but I couldn't resist........... I hope they fry that guy! He killed Natalee Holloway as well as that girl from Peru!"  LOL!

I so wanted to say, "Yes, he did, and if you could just go somewhere else, I could keep up with what's going on!" They'll be back tomorrow, but hopefully get done then.

[canoworms]

Sounds like Elton Garcia had an appointment with Joran for "collections"? and maybe Joran couldn't win back all the money he lost[ wasn't he $6000 in debt from gambling BEFORE he left Aruba?)  ) or maybe he paid out partially on his loan) so he decided to rob Stephany as a last ditch effort and get out of dodge pronto because he was paranoid about more than being followed?
Just thinking aloud although the simplest theory is usually the one that fits. He's a maniac.

[canoworms]

Magnolia I brought him up but no one responded. I will look for the video of him.

[canoworms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY62MfkkmoY

[klaasend]

From June 7:

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-may-face-vigilante-justice-jail

Joran may face vigilante justice in jail
By Iain Macintyre
Created 7 June 2010 10:44
Joran van der Sloot is handed over to the Peruvian authorities

Once Joran van der Sloot is released from police custody after a week, the media in Peru say he will be transferred to the Miguel Castro Castro prison on the outskirts of Lima. This is a maximum security jail for serious offenders, including murderers and rapists. It holds 4,000 prisoners. Those who can pay rent a cell for themselves, those who can't sleep in the corridors. Often several men have to share a bed.

A couple of years ago the Peruvian newspaper Correo described how a number of inmates convicted of raping minors were killed by their fellow convicts. A psychologist told the paper: "There is a pecking order in the world of violent criminals. Crimes against helpless women and children are considered cowardly and are punished."

Dutch daily De Telegraaf reports that Peruvian police think Stephany Flores may have been killed with a tennis racket. Apparently a great deal of blood was found both in the hotel bed and in the bathroom. Police are investigating skin found under the dead girl's fingernails and shoe prints found between the bed and the bathroom.

De Telegraaf also claims that the body of Stephany Flores was found as the result of a tip from 35-year-old poker player Elton Garcia. He was staying in the same hotel as Joran van der Sloot and played poker with him and Stephany Flores. According to Elton Garcia's police statement, when the Dutchman failed to appear for an appointment he began to worry and asked the hotel management if he could look in Joran's room.

I think the article from today that I just posted may have some translation issues

[Tylergal]

Robots will be back in 5 minutes,  he just got down hurling his GUTS out for 20 minutes straight,  too many pictures of ANITA for him to handle

She makes me want to hurl too Robots.  She's disgusting.  And some of the commentators I've heard tonight on the tube that "feel" for her since she seems to maybe finally be seeing the light make me want to hurl too.  She's known ALL ALONG the monster she created.  I feel nothing but disgust for her.  When I think of all the slander of Natalee and Beth that she's promoted and participated in for five years, I get too mad for my own good.  I don't think I'll ever be capable of an iota of sympathy for her!

I know better than to listen to Joy Behar for various reasons, but she had the sympathy crew.

[klaasend]

Surely this article is not based on the fact that the cameras are not in the hotel right now.

DUH!  Did they ever think that the police have confiscated them as evidence???

Or have I misunderstood something?

I think there are translation issues and I also believe most of that article is stuff that JORAN is claiming and not fact.

[Anna]

That link to all those Dutch articles is pretty bad.  They seem to take some sort of sick pride in the fact that Joran refused to speak to the judge.

Well, he can recant and add ten more years to his sentence.  It's his choice.

Not very smart, IMO.

[Tylergal]

That link to all those Dutch articles is pretty bad.  They seem to take some sort of sick pride in the fact that Joran refused to speak to the judge.

Well, he can recant and add ten more years to his sentence.  It's his choice.

Not very smart, IMO.

These were probably some of the attorneys/judges that wanted Saddam Hussein to be rewarded for killing his people.

[Anna]

Magnolia I brought him up but no one responded. I will look for the video of him.

Well, now he has gone from just some guy Joran met in the Casino to the latest version of the security guards?

[canoworms]

To my knowledge, Joran had EG's number in his cell, Elton stayed at the TAC. the lounge singer ( R blades) said he overheard Elton and Joran talking about women and moved away from their table at the casino...a few days before Stephany went missing. And that the singer alerted security about who Van der Sloot was but by the time security arrived Sloot had left. Then the next day the singer was informed ) by security but no one at the casino verified this) that Stephany was killed.
Garcia was registered to play in the Latin American Poker stars tournament. Joran said he met him May 14th. He is Albanian, Uruguayian naturalized citizen. He called the TAC the morning Jorans room was entered because Joran had an appointment with him, at 9 AM IIRC.

[KCJackie]

Hello Monkeys!  Can someone please provide a link or post any maps that pertain to the NH case - such as location of fisherman's hut, Holiday Inn, VDS residence, etc. 

I am sure I have just overlooked the thread and any help would be very much appreciated! 

[texasmom]

Robots will be back in 5 minutes,  he just got down hurling his GUTS out for 20 minutes straight,  too many pictures of ANITA for him to handle

She makes me want to hurl too Robots.  She's disgusting.  And some of the commentators I've heard tonight on the tube that "feel" for her since she seems to maybe finally be seeing the light make me want to hurl too.  She's known ALL ALONG the monster she created.  I feel nothing but disgust for her.  When I think of all the slander of Natalee and Beth that she's promoted and participated in for five years, I get too mad for my own good.  I don't think I'll ever be capable of an iota of sympathy for her!

I know better than to listen to Joy Behar for various reasons, but she had the sympathy crew.

Yep, that's the show I was talking about!  lol