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« Reply #1860 on: June 22, 2010, 07:12:24 AM »

DPJ, are you going to watch Anita's interview too tonight??
8.30pm isn't it? I'm going to try and see it.
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« Reply #1861 on: June 22, 2010, 07:13:07 AM »

Jo-An - YOUR translations are always wonderful and clear. When I said "murky translations" I mean the online-translated versions. And thank you for doing them for us.

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Reminds me - as klaas mentioned, I check el comecerio every day and sometimes post there. I was made very welcome, but picked up that some didn't appreciate English language posts. So I started doing Google translations to Spanish.

klaas posted a link to an article I had commented on. The entire article was Google translated from Spanish to English. My Google-translated-English-to-Spanish, back-to-English comments came out really strange; I barely recognized them ...

Hi msmarple and thank you!
I notice that too, about the online translations.
Worst thing is that sometimes those translations leave out the word "no" or "not" and that can put things in a whole new and wrong perspective!
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« Reply #1862 on: June 22, 2010, 07:15:14 AM »

DPJ, are you going to watch Anita's interview too tonight??
8.30pm isn't it? I'm going to try and see it.

Yes, 8.30pm. Smile
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« Reply #1863 on: June 22, 2010, 07:19:11 AM »

Snipped from my above (lengthy) post --

And OMG, please don’t tell me that the hotel actually has cameras IN the ROOMS? (I infer that the camera IN Room 309 is “suspiciously missing.)”

DI I read this wrong? Bad translation?

They're trying to make it sound "suspicious" that the hotel employees are under something like a gag order and ergo can't talk about the cameras. Seems entirely appropriate and SOP to me.

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Now that I've read Jo-An's translation - are they saying that it's suspicious that there was a camera right outside his room?

SO WHAT.

Good thing it was there. A hulk of a man killed a woman with his bare hands. Just too, too bad for Joran that he was doing two bad things simultaneously - extorting money and killing somebody.

"Something bad" finally happened to Joran.

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Why did they have to disappear her body?

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« Reply #1864 on: June 22, 2010, 07:27:47 AM »

Msmarple,
What a great job of condensing all the facts and rumors in a no-nonsense manner. Great job.
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« Reply #1865 on: June 22, 2010, 07:29:29 AM »

What they said about the camera(s) outside room 309 was that they went to the hotel themselves and they could tell that the camera(s) isn't/aren't normally there. And that now the cameras are no longer there.

How they could tell that there usually are no cameras there is maybe there was no discoloration on the wall where the camera was? Or maybe they didn't see any cameras on other floors as well? Just guessing...
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« Reply #1866 on: June 22, 2010, 07:29:50 AM »

Jo-An,
Thank you for all of your timely translations. They are quick, concise and no googledegook.
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« Reply #1867 on: June 22, 2010, 07:35:13 AM »

What they said about the camera(s) outside room 309 was that they went to the hotel themselves and they could tell that the camera(s) isn't/aren't normally there. And that now the cameras are no longer there.

How they could tell that there usually are no cameras there is maybe there was no discoloration on the wall where the camera was? Or maybe they didn't see any cameras on other floors as well? Just guessing...

From the camera shots of the lobby, I got the impression that there are multiple monitors. My *impression* was probably a camera at every stair well on each floor, with a corresponding monitor in the lobby. (The hotel does claim 24/7 surveillance as an amenity ... )

And it looked like Joran's room was right at the stairs, when he was doing his coffee cup routine.

Are my lying eyes at it again?
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« Reply #1868 on: June 22, 2010, 07:42:19 AM »

IBE - I meant to respond to this earlier.

Mr. Flores is a retired race car driver and champion at that sport ... and also a "minor party candidate" in several national elections. It is the racing championship that made him well-known (and a source of pride) in Peru.

There is a Lourdes Flores who also has been a candidate, but I believe we concluded (here) that she is not Stephany's mother. We have seen pictures of both; they don't look at all alike.

These are common names in Latin America.
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« Reply #1869 on: June 22, 2010, 07:48:30 AM »

What they said about the camera(s) outside room 309 was that they went to the hotel themselves and they could tell that the camera(s) isn't/aren't normally there. And that now the cameras are no longer there.

How they could tell that there usually are no cameras there is maybe there was no discoloration on the wall where the camera was? Or maybe they didn't see any cameras on other floors as well? Just guessing...

From the camera shots of the lobby, I got the impression that there are multiple monitors. My *impression* was probably a camera at every stair well on each floor, with a corresponding monitor in the lobby. (The hotel does claim 24/7 surveillance as an amenity ... )

And it looked like Joran's room was right at the stairs, when he was doing his coffee cup routine.

Are my lying eyes at it again?

What I can remember from the pictures that Greta van Susteren (I think?) had, is that the hallway was a T-shape and that Joran's room was right on top of the T-junction. And the camera films the upper right side of the T and you could also go left, there were rooms there too.
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« Reply #1870 on: June 22, 2010, 07:49:19 AM »

Jo-An,
Thank you for all of your timely translations. They are quick, concise and no googledegook.

Thank you, Maggie!
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« Reply #1871 on: June 22, 2010, 07:55:03 AM »

Maybe someone can post the lobby pictures again (as Joran arrives, leaves) that show the desk area. I had the impression that there were several screens/monitors there.

Again, the hotel DOES claim 24/7 surveillance.

But if a camera was put there *just for Joran* I don't give a flying fig. Boo hoo. He's not sorry he did it, just that he got caught.
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« Reply #1872 on: June 22, 2010, 08:13:02 AM »

Maybe someone can post the lobby pictures again (as Joran arrives, leaves) that show the desk area. I had the impression that there were several screens/monitors there.

Again, the hotel DOES claim 24/7 surveillance.

But if a camera was put there *just for Joran* I don't give a flying fig. Boo hoo. He's not sorry he did it, just that he got caught.

If you watch this video you can see the lobby camera saying: C11 and then the date and time.
If you freeze the video at '54/'55 you can see multiple monitors for just a second and none of them is showing images of upstairs hallways.
But you can see one of the other monitors saying: C15 and then date and time.
Then, if you watch the hallway camera, the monitor doesn't say C.. anymore and the numbers are no longer in white but in yellow, stating the time on top of the date. So at least it seems like a different type of camera. Plus the times do not match of the upstairs and down stairs cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALT-qm6qufg
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« Reply #1873 on: June 22, 2010, 08:26:11 AM »

From the above article:
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During the conversation the Colombian neighbor of Van der Sloot behind bars, looks interested. "He is suspected of six contract killings," says Van der Sloot. "Sometimes he jokes that he'll kill me too for $75,000. But we get along fine and sometimes we play cards together.

You aren't worth $75,000 Joran.  I'm sure he would kill you for $75.00.

LOL, I was thinking the same thing San!
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« Reply #1874 on: June 22, 2010, 08:28:46 AM »

Jo-An,
Thank you for all of your timely translations. They are quick, concise and no googledegook.

DITTO!!
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« Reply #1875 on: June 22, 2010, 08:33:14 AM »

Maybe someone can post the lobby pictures again (as Joran arrives, leaves) that show the desk area. I had the impression that there were several screens/monitors there.

Again, the hotel DOES claim 24/7 surveillance.

But if a camera was put there *just for Joran* I don't give a flying fig. Boo hoo. He's not sorry he did it, just that he got caught.

If you watch this video you can see the lobby camera saying: C11 and then the date and time.
If you freeze the video at '54/'55 you can see multiple monitors for just a second and none of them is showing images of upstairs hallways.
But you can see one of the other monitors saying: C15 and then date and time.
Then, if you watch the hallway camera, the monitor doesn't say C.. anymore and the numbers are no longer in white but in yellow, stating the time on top of the date. So at least it seems like a different type of camera. Plus the times do not match of the upstairs and down stairs cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALT-qm6qufg

This is what I mean, the cameras look like different types of cameras:

Lobby


Camera at room 309


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« Reply #1876 on: June 22, 2010, 08:54:15 AM »

As I recall, Anita was trying to explain it away as simple sibling rivalry; a fight among brothers;
nothing unusual.

It may have been when Greta and Beth were at the VanderSloots that Anita told that.

That is why I have always thought that he kicked and stomped Stephany.

I agree Magnolia, and I don't believe Natalee died with a single accidental injury either.  JMO

I think Natalee died with some kind of violent blow to the head administered by Joran.
I don't know if he hit her with a bat or bashed her head on a rock or stomped her. They
were all trying to explain a head injury from the beginning. 

Then there is the seizure issue that kept popping up.  The seizure was caused by a head injury. 
All just my opinion.

In the back of my brain somewhere, I want to think a baseball bat.  There is a reason for it, but I cannot recall why.  Does anyone else recall reason I am inclined to think baseball bat.


viet vet wrote:

Speaking of off the record comments, we were told were to find Joran at the International School on a Friday , June 2 or 3, have it in my notes. Was also told Joran hit Natalee with an aluminum baseball bat…in the head. The same man told me both stories and guess what, Joran was at the International School that day, hiding. He was sleeping over there rather than home,,, scared he was. The fine Aruba Police followed us to the school that day or maybe we would already have solved this case. Yeah Karin, a bounch of cowboys…

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« Reply #1877 on: June 22, 2010, 08:57:54 AM »

Joran will be cold, damp, not seeing sunlight, and amongst rats......... karma!


LivinginPeru.com
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Winter in Peru will be colder this year, compared to 2009, warns Senamhi, the national meterologic service.

The lowest temperature in Lima is expected to drop to 11°C (51.8°F), and the maximum will be only 19°C (66.2°F), which means that both figures will be 2°C lower than last year's records, according to the Senamhi expert Elizabeth Silvestre.

She said that the Limenian districts that will feel more cold are Cieneguilla, Chosica and La Molina, all of them located to the East, getting closer to the first Andean foothills.

Silvestre also wared that there might be some sunshine between noon and 2pm, but that mist will be a constant presence during the mornings.

Humidity will reach 80% as average and drizzles will have normal levels.


Yep, Joran will now have a killer and a rat to keep him warm.

He might get lucky and one will go up his ass ,he will enjoy this I'm sure.
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« Reply #1878 on: June 22, 2010, 08:59:10 AM »

Can you say 'BEN" ? Cool
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« Reply #1879 on: June 22, 2010, 09:02:42 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys Smile  I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?
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