Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Nut44x4]

[Nut44x4]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Beer?

[Blonde]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

[klaasend]

Even if the FBI continued their operation in Peru, Joran still killed Stephany ("The fact that I'm here, is my own fault")
and that's what the Peruvian judges should focus on.

Jo-An, my bet is that is a bunch of bull from Joran.  We only have his word on Elvis and we know he barely opens his mouth without lying.

Yes, Joran killed Stephany and he killed Natalee. 

[littletxlady]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Thanks Blonde
Probably is beer, of course I was thinking drugs.
In Session is talking about JVS

[klaasend]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Maybe soda

[littletxlady]

Van Der Sloot Is Mentally Ill, Says Mother!

The mother of Joran van der Sloot claims her son is mad as a hatter according to his mother's friend and apparent spokesperson, Pasel de la Schlep.

"Joran was always talking in a silly little wheezy voice and eating flies while he was growing up", the friend of the family quoted Mrs van der Sloot,

According to the friend, Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot had told her that she wanted to get the full story out.

Pasel then stated that Anita's son had become worse after watching "Sling Blade", that it had stopped the fly eating but began a ten year period of eating potted meat and biscuits with mustard.

Apparently little Joran changed his voice to that of Karl in the movie until his friends laughed him out of doing that. Still he often spent hours looking in the potted meat for peckers."

Anita van der Sloot also stated that Joran had always felt insecure about his name containing two small letters and believe that made him impotent on many occasions.

"The kids at school called him 'Little vd'. Kids can be so cruel," stated de la Schlep.

So why is his mother having someone speak up for her and her son after all this time?

"She wants the people in Lima, Peru to know that he's not responsible. That he needs to be sent to a mental institution. Maybe get him off the potted meat and biscuits with mustard."

Make Bureau's day - rate this story with the stars, they're just down there!

The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.

[littletxlady]

OOPS....forgot the link
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i77269#this

[klaasend]

IBE - 99.9% certain that Lourdes Flores and Stephanys mom are 2 different people.  You would think that if Lourdes Flores daughter was murdered it would be mentioned in the Peru papers and it's not. (not in respect to Lourdes)

[klaasend]

Van der Sloot 'emotionally immature,' psych report says
Joran van der Sloot has a low tolerance for frustration and "doesn't value the female role," according to excerpts from a psychological investigation report given to a judge by prosecutors Monday.

According to the document, van der Sloot, suspected of killing a Peruvian woman late last month, "does not tolerate when someone tries to contradict him. It generates in him a challenging attitude."

The report calls him "emotionally immature," which elicits strong changes in behavior that can send him out of control.

"He reflects a certain dominance over the opposite sex. He doesn't value the female role," the document states.

Its adds, "he presents traits of an anti-social personality" and is "indifferent towards others' well being."

Despite this, the report says, "he doesn't show any psychopathological trauma that impedes him from perceiving and evaluating reality."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1

[Bearlyhere]

Well, that took a while to catch up!

Night to all monkeys! This naughty one has an early morning ahead......... in 3 hours!!!

What a jerk, Joran is! In the wise words of Robots........... He's going DOWN!!!

That Robots sure is a wiseguy!  ;-p

[seemeatthebeach]

John Ludwick Now Joran can truly see who his real friends are. And you can count them on one finger. Stay strong my bro, i will never turn my back on you...
7 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273

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Note to moron John Ludwick: your 15 minutes of fame have expired

[Anna]

I got the paper version of De Telegraaf right here and what they say about Elton Garcia is this:

-when the police questioned him, he had on him all the papers (I think what they mean by papers is identification etc.) of an FBI-agent, suggesting that he in fact is an FBI-agent
-they suggest that they wanted to continue the sting operation that started in Aruba, in Peru, so Joran could be extradited to the US at some point
-Elton Garcia invited Joran to Peru, paying for everything
-Elton and Joran didn't know each other very well, but Elton was the one who called the hotel on Tuesday asking for Joran
-Joran now feels/knows he was being set up by this Garcia guy - in order to continue the sting operation in Peru

So, Stephany was probably the factor that they didn't take into account... poor girl...


Got to get to work now, will try to translate the whole interview later.
But I scanned the last few pages here and I think most of it is already posted here.

I believe it has already been reported that Joran paid a week in advance himself when he checked into the hotel.

I think most of that about Garcia is from Joran. 

But it was also well established that Aruba was fully cooperating with the FBI and prepared to extradite Joran and for extortion.  Otherwise, wouldn't have been much of a sting.

That said, it chenges nothing and only enforced what a cold blooded killer Joran is in that he couldn't even be videoed one weekend without his killing somebody.

What are the odds that the only time he is on video is the only time he killed?  Pretty bad, I'd say.  If you can't record Joran for a weekend without a murder, he is in fact a serial killer.

But any FBI sting has no bearing on Joran and his multiple murders, whether that sting is in Aruba or Peru.

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[msmarple]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Beer?

I don't know what the brown bottle is ...

But these seem to be actual crime scene photos, 21 of them, but I can't seem to advance through the different photos. Don't know if it's a problem with the site or with where I am ...

[klaasend]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Beer?

I don't know what the brown bottle is ...

But these seem to be actual crime scene photos, 21 of them, but I can't seem to advance through the different photos. Don't know if it's a problem with the site or with where I am ...

I was able to go through them and YES, they are actual photos even showing Stephanys body and bruises. 

[littletxlady]

Good Morning Monkeys   I can't get this pic in this post so here is the link

 http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003848-5.html?tag=page

does anyone know what the brown bottle is?

Beer?

I don't know what the brown bottle is ...

But these seem to be actual crime scene photos, 21 of them, but I can't seem to advance through the different photos. Don't know if it's a problem with the site or with where I am ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008352-504083.html?tag=cbsnewsCrimesiderArea.1

[msmarple]

Jo-An - thank you for posting the pictures. We've discussed the times before; it isn't unusual for camera times to be out of sync, anywhere.

Here's a list of Hotel Tac "amenities" (snipped from web site) --

Telephone: 001 4478877
Fax: 001 4478877
Getting There: Av.Republica of PaNAMAN.6160 Miraflores In the crossing of BenavideZ.
Rooms: 80
Floors: 7
Meeting Space: 1 room. 140 sq. ft. total.

Check In Time: 7:00 am
Check Out Time: 12:00 pm

Rate Range (USD): From $30 to $50 per night *

Nearest Airport: Jorge Chavez International (LIM)

In Rooms: Cable TV. Safe. 

Services: 24-Hour Security. Airport Transportation. Car Rental. City Transportation. Concierge. 24-Hour Room Service. Valet Parking. Wake Up Service. 

Special Amenities: Bar/Lounge. Complimentary Breakfast. Parking Garage. 
Other Info: Exterior Room Entrance. Interior Room Entrance. Multi-lingual Staff. Non-Smoking Rooms. Smoking Rooms. Alternative Lifestyle Friendly. Self Parking.

* * *
I bolded a few items that might be interesting/useful. (We have seen this previously.)

[MisGivings]

Marriage proposals for Joran van der Sloot

(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot has since he is in prison for several marriage proposals of Peruvian women had.  To sue his a letter to his attorney, he Tuesday in an interview in The Telegraph.

 He has much to offer them time being. He suggested would with a watery tea and dry bread. In the afternoon he gets rice and beans. In addition, extra food they buy.

Van der Sloot, the newspaper realizes that many Peruvians have his blood to drink. In prison, he remains therefore preferred in the current cell where he sits in prison because he was not very popular.

His neighbor, an assassin, would occasionally "jokes" that make him best for $ 75,000 to murder.  "But I can do to find him."

Earlier, De Telegraaf already known that Van der Sloot claims he only signed a confession statement, because he was promised that he would be entitled to the Netherlands. Now he says that they were threatened during interrogations, his head in a bucket of water to stop if he was not cooperating. He would not be abused.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rssonline.nl%2Frel_5389724_joran-bekende-alleen-om-uitlevering.aspx&sl=nl&tl=en

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Crazy stuff coming out of the netherlands

Report: Joran Van der Sloot boasts of marriage offers
AMSTERDAM — Murder suspect Joran van der Sloot is talking plenty — just not to the judge investigating his case.

The 22-year-old Dutchman is quoted in an interview published Tuesday as boasting that he has received several marriage offers from women while in his jail cell in Lima, Peru, where he is awaiting trial for allegedly killing 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores.

"One of them even wants me to get her pregnant," De Telegraaf newspaper quoted Van der Sloot as saying.


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/international/americas/view/20100622report_joran_van_der_sloot_boasts_of_marriage_offers/srvc=home&position=recent

[MisGivings]

In the last thread or so, I asked if Lourdes Flores was related to Stephany's dad. It was said it was not his wife. In exploring for L. Flores on uTube I found a blurb about her and Peruvian Airlines in it. It was also showing pictures of a race car driver before and after her data. The driver looked like Stephany's dad.

There is a reason, of which I am sorry to say I cannot tell now that I need to know if they are relatives. Lourdes Flores ran for President. I am not sure if she won or not. Stephany's dad ran for vice pres and President.

Would one of our Monkey family summarize what is going on from the beginning of this clip to about the 8:00 mark especially any data, relationships between the race car driver, Lourdes and Peruvian Airlines? I read somewhere that Lourdes is on their board, but wondered why they are referencing a race car drive in the blurb and who he is, and what race he was in. TIA

IBE    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1PiX90eC38&feature=related

The first news reports of Stephany's murder said she was stabbed to death. In the one interview with her father, he puts his finger to his neck like a cutting motion, but says he cannot talk about it because of her mother. I am beginning to think Joran managed to cut Stephany's throat to disable her.

[msmarple]

klaas - I get a hung-up hourglass, then "Internet Explorer cannot display ..." message, when I click the link to the CBS site with crime scene photos.

(But something tells me you're working on this ... :smiley: )