Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[jen3560]

Jen - did you ever speak to anyone in Palm Beach County, Florida, about Jose Pesquera?

Oh wow....................I believe that we did.  I believe we sent an email (can't remember to whom) quoting his admission to Beth that yes, there was a coverup that occurred.

[Tamikosmom]

Joran van der Sloot led a high-stakes life in South America
Posted on Thursday, 06.03.10

When reached at her home -- a one-story cinder block house painted mustard yellow -- Anita van der Sloot sounded composed and attempted to politely dismiss any inquiries about her son.

She has two other sons, Valentijn and Sebastian. She is now a widow. Her husband died suddenly last February while playing tennis.

``I don't know anything,'' Anita told The Herald. ``I haven't been in contact with Joran for a long time ...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/03/1662456_p2/joran-van-der-sloot-led-a-high.html

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

May 14, 2010 – Anita and Renfro post to Joran

On Joran's FB

Anita Hugen
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends.
May 14 at 10:26am

Julia Renfro
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come.
Sunday at 5:05pm

Deadly Connections?
June 11, 2010

CHRIS HANSEN: --what does he say first?

JOHN KELLY: "How you doing?"  He's covered with sweat.  He apparently walked from his house to get there.  And, you know, I just told him to have a seat.  Gave him a Diet Coke.  We actually split a Three Musketeers. The one thing I did at the very beginning was show him the $10,000 cash.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/5/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/page/6/

[msmarple]

Jen - did you ever speak to anyone in Palm Beach County, Florida, about Jose Pesquera?

Oh wow....................I believe that we did.  I believe we sent an email (can't remember to whom) quoting his admission to Beth that yes, there was a coverup that occurred.

Maybe to a newspaper?

[Tamikosmom]

Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot's Mom: 'He Is Not a Murderer'
Anita van der Sloot Speaks For The First Time Since Her Son's Arrest
June 18, 2010

Joran van der Sloot's mother still believes her son is innocent, insisting in an email obtained exclusively by ABC News that "he is not a murderer."

Anita van der Sloot hasn't spoken publicly since her son's arrest in Peru, until now.

In an exclusive email sent to ABC News, Anita van der Sloot wrote:

"I am not giving interviews to any American media station because I don't trust them. Stay safe and pray for Joran. He is not the monster they like the world to see. he is traumatized, depressed an has an addiction. He is not a murderer. It stinks and feels like a big trap set up for him."

Anita van der Sloot's email, apparently typed out quickly, was sent to close confidant and ex-girlfriend of Joran's, Melody Granadillo.

ABC News' Chris Cuomo sat down exclusively to talk to Granadillo about the man she knew in an interview that airs tonight on 20/20.

Granadillo, 23, met van der Sloot when she was 16 and their teenage love affair blossomed.

"It was real," Granadillo told Cuomo. "We liked looking into each other's eyes."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/article/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-speaks-time/story?id=10935217

[Jo-An]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

[canoworms]

hahhaah....the mami, I can't type out the other word, it seems to be flagged but it isn't at all obscene.
Selena

Mother?

Thanks for the fix. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the bifocals. rightio...that word.

[Tamikosmom]

Joran Van der Sloot's Ex-Girlfriend Shares Diary They Kept Together
An intimate look inside their relationship and details about van der Sloot.

Diary: Joran Van der Sloot's Ex Girlfriend:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/slideshow/diary-joran-van-der-sloots-girlfriend-10935858

[seemeatthebeach]

Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot's Mom: 'He Is Not a Murderer'
Anita van der Sloot Speaks For The First Time Since Her Son's Arrest
June 18, 2010

Joran van der Sloot's mother still believes her son is innocent, insisting in an email obtained exclusively by ABC News that "he is not a murderer."

Anita van der Sloot hasn't spoken publicly since her son's arrest in Peru, until now.

In an exclusive email sent to ABC News, Anita van der Sloot wrote:

"I am not giving interviews to any American media station because I don't trust them. Stay safe and pray for Joran. He is not the monster they like the world to see. he is traumatized, depressed an has an addiction. He is not a murderer. It stinks and feels like a big trap set up for him."

Anita van der Sloot's email, apparently typed out quickly, was sent to close confidant and ex-girlfriend of Joran's, Melody Granadillo.

ABC News' Chris Cuomo sat down exclusively to talk to Granadillo about the man she knew in an interview that airs tonight on 20/20.

Granadillo, 23, met van der Sloot when she was 16 and their teenage love affair blossomed.

"It was real," Granadillo told Cuomo. "We liked looking into each other's eyes."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/article/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-speaks-time/story?id=10935217

there's that word "trap" leaking out of her mouth........subconscious??

[Miss Lacey]

                             

The only difference is that Roz ends up being one of the good guys.

[Tamikosmom]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Jo-An

Considering I am a believer in changed lives if there is a will ... I thought that maybe Anita's silence in past couple of week was an indication that she had come to place where she was no longer going to abet her son by protecting him from the consequences of his wrongdoing.

I was wrong big time.

Janet
               

[msmarple]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Denial. Her world is so full of denial that real life eludes her.

The extortion/fraud thing - yeah, a trap of his own making.

Look at the surveillance camera records, Anita. You think Joran was trapped into staging his exit/entrance? Maybe that spoon-bender hypnotized him into doing that ...

I for one am so grateful that Joran checked into Hotel Tac, where 24/7 surveillance is an amenity. That MADE the Peru case.

[littletxlady]

http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/06/18/natalee-holloways-brother-joran-van-der-sloot-will-never-give-new-evidence/

Natalee Holloway’s Brother: Joran Van Der Sloot Will Never Give New EvidencePosted by MaraLee on June 18th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Natalee Holloway’s brother is yet another victim in this sad case. In 10th grade when Natalee went missing, he is not holding on to hope of getting new evidence on Natalee’s location.

“He’s just trying to get a lighter sentence,” Matt tells People in his first interview. “Right now he just knows he’s pretty much screwed on murder.”

That’s consistent with other news we’ve heard-That Joran fears for his life in Peruvian jail. He is under isolation, but inmates are still able to get to him and do not look kindly on those who murder young women. He wants to use one murder as a bargaining chip against another.

Joran has spoken about Natalee’s whereabouts before, even recently attempting to extort money from Natalee’s mom Beth Twitty. The feds got involved and paid him off, but the information that Natalee was buried under a house ended up being false and Joran used the money to travle to Peru where he killed his second (known) victim Stephany Flores.

Matt thinks that Joran did give truthful information once.

In 2008 an undercover Dutch journalist spoke with Joran who told him that Natalee had suffered a seizure on the beach, and that he panicked and called a friend who dumped her body at sea.

“I feel like that was the truth,” Matt says. “It’s hard to talk about it, but I think he put her in the ocean. That would make the most sense to me. All that stuff where he says she’s buried in a swamp or under a house being built, that’s not true.”

“I wish [the authorities] were able to act sooner,” says Matt of the extortion case. “But I understand that they had to build the [extortion] case up so he couldn’t get away for the tenth time, so to say. It’s terrible Stephany had to meet Joran like that.”

Matt can still find a slight amount of solace that Joran is now behind bars. “The main thing is [that] I’m glad that he’s finally going to be seeing bars for the rest of his life. We’ve already come to terms that she is gone, that I’ll never see her again. I just hope nobody ever has to deal with that again, and go through that whole tragedy of missing a loved one.”

[Tamikosmom]

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”

[Tamikosmom]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Denial. Her world is so full of denial that real life eludes her.

The extortion/fraud thing - yeah, a trap of his own making.

Look at the surveillance camera records, Anita. You think Joran was trapped into staging his exit/entrance? Maybe that spoon-bender hypnotized him into doing that ...

I for one am so grateful that Joran checked into Hotel Tac, where 24/7 surveillance is an amenity. That MADE the Peru case.

msmarple

Security cameras have been Joran's downfall.  The revealed images have exposed the truth ... the truth that he lies.

Janet

++++++

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 51:  As we stand there in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, May 31, 2005, waiting to get a search warrant that is never obtained, the two who were last seen with Natalee offer to us where they dropped her off early yesterday morning.  For the last time we drive back to the Holiday Inn, where Joran and Deepak demonstrate with great detail where they took Natalee, and how she stumbled and bumped her head getting out of the car, describing her over and over as “so drunk.”
 
Joran and Deepak then show me exactly where they dropped Natalee off in front of the hotel entrance, speading their arms in illustration of the area, which is right outside the front entrance of the Holiday Inn lobby.

Page 97:  The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me.


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  It’s about three o’clock in the morning.  It’s a school night.  They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.

[Tamikosmom]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”

Thanks Klaas.

I have not been commenting on the FP for the last week.  It seems that most of my posts goes "poof".  I realize that you are behind the scenes doing lots of stuff to keep the site running  ... I did not want to keep bothering you to retrieve my comments from the "spam" file.

Janet

[nonesuche]

Just read that Lourdes Flores  who ran for President of Peru is the mother of Stephany.

OMG.. does the 6 degrees really hold water, if so it is a very small world.

I found video and I am unsure if this is the same person IBE

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/477907/lourdes-flores-promete-dar-prioridad-seguridad-ciudadana

I addressed this yesterday. IMO NOT her mother

This Lourdes Flores' doesn't look like Stephany's mom ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Flores

This is her full name:
Lourdes Celmira Rosario Flores Nano

That is why I posted the video Nut, it was apparent there was a mix-up.

[nonesuche]

Exclusive: Joran van der Sloot's Mom: 'He Is Not a Murderer'
Anita van der Sloot Speaks For The First Time Since Her Son's Arrest
June 18, 2010

Joran van der Sloot's mother still believes her son is innocent, insisting in an email obtained exclusively by ABC News that "he is not a murderer."

Anita van der Sloot hasn't spoken publicly since her son's arrest in Peru, until now.

In an exclusive email sent to ABC News, Anita van der Sloot wrote:

"I am not giving interviews to any American media station because I don't trust them. Stay safe and pray for Joran. He is not the monster they like the world to see. he is traumatized, depressed an has an addiction. He is not a murderer. It stinks and feels like a big trap set up for him."

Anita van der Sloot's email, apparently typed out quickly, was sent to close confidant and ex-girlfriend of Joran's, Melody Granadillo.

ABC News' Chris Cuomo sat down exclusively to talk to Granadillo about the man she knew in an interview that airs tonight on 20/20.

Granadillo, 23, met van der Sloot when she was 16 and their teenage love affair blossomed.

"It was real," Granadillo told Cuomo. "We liked looking into each other's eyes."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/article/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloots-mother-speaks-time/story?id=10935217

there's that word "trap" leaking out of her mouth........subconscious??

In Anita's mind it's always someone else's fault and we wonder how he turned out like he has?

She needs some serious professional help.

[MisGivings]

For what it is worth, I just saw this over at RU; (worth zero, IMO)

Bubbles:

I don't think so.

I just spoke with Anita. She received call from someone of Queen Beatrix staff. I couldn't quite understand the name or who person was. She was invited to have a weekend with Queen b/c apparently Queen Beatrix has followed case and is concerned about Anita as a mother and as one of her subjects. I asked her if she will go, but she said it will depend on some factors but would like to. I offered to go in her place if she needs a stand-in .

So it seems there are more peeps not willing to take media garbage as fact.

It is also good to see Anita have peeps in high places offer assistance after all the poor woman has been through.
There's much more at

EDIT:  Bubble is delusional, have you read the rest of Bubble's posts?

[klaasend]

Janet - lot's of people have been having problems lately with that.  I try and keep up and pull good posts out of spam but if the spam folder gets too many 200+ it takes too long to go through them all.  I do apologize and will do my best to catch them.