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« Reply #320 on: June 18, 2010, 11:11:13 AM »

Turbo - I don't think there's a man with a shovel.  There are drugs, a weapon some "kids" and Julia Renfro

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=3729&offId=0

Great catch on spotting that story too Klaas!  Can't wait to find out what that was all about!  

I don't read Portuguese very well, but I can read some Haitian Creole Portuguese so I can pick up a few words here and there. If I read this correctly there was a car which slammed another car (couldn't tell if it was an accident or deliberate) the police were there and there were 5 men in one car who started shooting. There was some kind of gun fight. It appears it was some type of gang fight. They sent up a helicopter to find a car that got away. The victim was taken to Hopi hospital in Montserrat.

My impression of those photos was that perhaps Renfro's car was one of the ones involved.  Also, she surely looks taken off guard & not expecting to be photographed-I mean, she looks awful and not ready for prime time. lol
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« Reply #321 on: June 18, 2010, 11:12:43 AM »

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/exclusive-documents-official-police-file-joran-van-der-sloot-new-details-murder

Even before Joran van der Sloot's confession, Peruvian police were convinced he was guilty of the brutal murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, the official police case file reveals.

In a world exclusive, RadarOnline.com has obtained the official documents from the homicide detectives' investigation into the murder of Flores Ramirez, revealing strong evidence against van der Sloot.

In one document, detectives said Flores Ramirez - who was beaten and stabbed to death - was found with "traumatic lesions on the face, a bruise on the scalp, cranial fracture, traumatic lesions on the neck... (and) over different areas of the body."

It also reveals that van der Sloot - after slamming Flores Ramirez in the face with his right elbow, strangling her for a full minute, taking off his shirt and suffocating her with it - drank cups of coffee next to her lifeless body.

Under the heading 'Ways and circumstances how the murder was committed,' police cite the following determinations of the 22-year-old Dutchman's guilt, as translated into English:

    * Physical aggression
    * Preparation for escape
    * Escape itinerary

They also revealed the host of evidence stacked against Joran van der Sloot:

    * His confession
    * The dead victim
    * The death certificate
    * The parking ticket of the victim's vehicle at the Casino "Atlantic City"
    * Results of the criminality information -- biologic, fingerprinting and others
    * Testimony of the witnesses, including drivers
    * Recovery of Van Der Sloot's clothes in the victim's vehicle
    * Removal of money, bank account cards and the vehicle of the victim

The sensitive documents also include an illustration of the crime scene -- Room 309 at the Miraflores Hotel Tac in Lima -- showing where Flores Ramirez was bludgeoned to death.

The cause of death was cranial-encephalic and cervical traumatism, according to a forensic investigator, quoted in the police document.

Joran van der Sloot is still a suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, and there is speculation he may want to make a deal that includes leading Aruban officials to the body of the missing Alabama teen, who vanished while on vacation in Aruba in 2005.

Van der Sloot has been arrested twice, but never been charged in the Holloway disappearance.
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« Reply #322 on: June 18, 2010, 11:16:08 AM »

Just read that Lourdes Flores  who ran for President of Peru is the mother of Stephany.

OMG.. does the 6 degrees really hold water, if so it is a very small world.

I found video and I am unsure if this is the same person IBE

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/477907/lourdes-flores-promete-dar-prioridad-seguridad-ciudadana

I addressed this yesterday. IMO NOT her mother

This Lourdes Flores' doesn't look like Stephany's mom ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Flores

This is her full name:
Lourdes Celmira Rosario Flores Nano

That is why I posted the video Nut, it was apparent there was a mix-up.

Stephany's mother is Marielena Ramirez.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/02plg6CfLk6L3

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« Reply #323 on: June 18, 2010, 11:17:06 AM »

Janet - lot's of people have been having problems lately with that.  I try and keep up and pull good posts out of spam but if the spam folder gets too many 200+ it takes too long to go through them all.  I do apologize and will do my best to catch them.

Klaas

I am not complaining.  I know that you have been going crazy in the past couple of weeks attempting to keep this site up and running and ... I appreciate all that you do. 

Janet
 
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« Reply #324 on: June 18, 2010, 11:19:24 AM »

Can we count the ways Joran has taunted Natalee’s family about what finally happened that night?

I’m confused on a couple of these, but let’s start with --

Dropped off at Holiday Inn
Left on beach (many variations on this story)
In the ocean (Peter de Vries recording)
Sold (Greta interview, later retracted)
Off a balcony (Jaap? interview)
Left in swamp/pond (Jaap? map)
Buried at a pre-construction site (John Q Kelly)

--  and I’m sure some smart monkeys can make corrections and add to.
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Why did they have to disappear her body?

Murder & Crime on  Aruba Summary - http://tinyurl.com/2lhukn

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« Reply #325 on: June 18, 2010, 11:20:18 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Either that, or she has a total resistance to reason with regard to actual matters of fact-a paranoiac delusion.   No wonder Joran found it so easy to lie,etc. 
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« Reply #326 on: June 18, 2010, 11:23:23 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

This explains so much.  When you have parents who are unwilling to face reality, can't see the signs of bad behavior, and do nothing to set standards (and yes, a bit of fear about consequences...)...you get someone like Joran who is leading himself on a path to self-destruction, aided and abetted by his reality-ignoring mother.  Unbelievable.
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« Reply #327 on: June 18, 2010, 11:24:14 AM »

I think I stumbled onto something at el comecerio. Joran was wearing an orange shirt when he was escorted from his cell to accommodate CNN.

Orange is The Netherlands color for the World Cup.

I will also mention that some of the commentors are not at all happy with Jinkasaurous's (sp?) cell visit.
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« Reply #328 on: June 18, 2010, 11:30:22 AM »

I think I stumbled onto something at el comecerio. Joran was wearing an orange shirt when he was escorted from his cell to accommodate CNN.

Orange is The Netherlands color for the World Cup.

I will also mention that some of the commentors are not at all happy with Jinkasaurous's (sp?) cell visit.

The cell visit won't make some happy, that it was not bad enough!  Or, a set up, meaning cleaned up for the visit.  Peru has some legitimate concerns that their sub human incarceration of inmates is getting more focus than they may want.  Joran brings chaos wherever he goes, even if it behind bars!
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« Reply #329 on: June 18, 2010, 11:31:47 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

This explains so much.  When you have parents who are unwilling to face reality, can't see the signs of bad behavior, and do nothing to set standards (and yes, a bit of fear about consequences...)...you get someone like Joran who is leading himself on a path to self-destruction, aided and abetted by his reality-ignoring mother.  Unbelievable.

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
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« Reply #330 on: June 18, 2010, 11:33:59 AM »

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”


I disagree with you Klaas.  I think your FP is fabulous!!!
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« Reply #331 on: June 18, 2010, 11:34:02 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

This explains so much.  When you have parents who are unwilling to face reality, can't see the signs of bad behavior, and do nothing to set standards (and yes, a bit of fear about consequences...)...you get someone like Joran who is leading himself on a path to self-destruction, aided and abetted by his reality-ignoring mother.  Unbelievable.

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


I have to say that I used to feel sorry for Anita....and now she just aggravates me.
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« Reply #332 on: June 18, 2010, 11:34:05 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Denial. Her world is so full of denial that real life eludes her.

The extortion/fraud thing - yeah, a trap of his own making.

Look at the surveillance camera records, Anita. You think Joran was trapped into staging his exit/entrance? Maybe that spoon-bender hypnotized him into doing that ...

I for one am so grateful that Joran checked into Hotel Tac, where 24/7 surveillance is an amenity. That MADE the Peru case.

Sure, Anita, it was a big trap to finally get your delicious sporter behind bars. Stephany willingly volunteered to be brutally murdered so that Beth Holloway will finally get some form of justice for Natalee. The whole world really hates Aruba, so they sent in secret forces to train Joran to be the monster he turned out to be. He was stupid enough to fall for it. Trouble was, he was a natural.  Paulus dying was all part of the big plot to finally nail Joran. You have been the perfect mother all along. Everything that has happened since June 2nd was well scripted. All the videos of Joran and Stephany were staged. You can see how bad an actor Joran was, though, by that video of him trying to set up an alibi in the hotel hallway by pretending to be locked out of his room. They really do love him in Peru, and will make sure he gets the star treatment while he is pretending to be locked up.

I hope your next tea party with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, Jason, and Freddy will be enjoyable. Perhaps you should start a Mothers In Denial support group with Cindy Anthony. You seriously need help!
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« Reply #333 on: June 18, 2010, 11:35:06 AM »

And, when DNA evidence comes back and she's still denying Joran's involvement...well, she's just certifiable.
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« Reply #334 on: June 18, 2010, 11:36:39 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

This explains so much.  When you have parents who are unwilling to face reality, can't see the signs of bad behavior, and do nothing to set standards (and yes, a bit of fear about consequences...)...you get someone like Joran who is leading himself on a path to self-destruction, aided and abetted by his reality-ignoring mother.  Unbelievable.

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Well, if I ever become as "alert" as Anita, please somebody, put me out of my misery!!!
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« Reply #335 on: June 18, 2010, 11:37:31 AM »

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

This explains so much.  When you have parents who are unwilling to face reality, can't see the signs of bad behavior, and do nothing to set standards (and yes, a bit of fear about consequences...)...you get someone like Joran who is leading himself on a path to self-destruction, aided and abetted by his reality-ignoring mother.  Unbelievable.

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html


Well, if I ever become as "alert" as Anita, please somebody, put me out of my misery!!!

LOL
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« Reply #336 on: June 18, 2010, 11:39:36 AM »

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”


Lucky is right!!   Someone should make Chris aware of Joran's brutal behaviour very early in life-killing his own dog, etc.

I bet Melody received a hefty little sum from ABC for this ...  So Anthony-esque.
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« Reply #337 on: June 18, 2010, 11:40:42 AM »

arubanews: Joran van der Sloot, "condemned by the media? - Radio Nederland

"Peru live in a democracy and there is full respect for fundamental rights. Joran van der Sloot have a fair trial."

The Peruvian justice system is under international pressure over the case of the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who ask Judge Carlos Morales on Monday June 21 in a prison.
 

Listen to the interview with the lawyer Edward Alvarez:

 
As formal start of the trial against the Dutchman, the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima scheduled interrogation Joran Van der Sloot, in the process remains as the alleged perpetrator of the crimes of murder and theft to the detriment of the young Stephany Flores.
 
Stagecoach, presided by Judge Carlos Morales, will be held Monday at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande, where the Dutchman meets detention since 11 June.
 
It will be a closed-door interrogation, in legal terms is known as the investigative stage, which can extend up to twelve months before the start of the trial against van der Sloot.
 
During the coming weeks, Judge Morales will be responsible for clarifying the facts and determine the responsibilities of Joran Van der Sloot, aged 22, in the murder of Stephany Flores, 21.
 
If convicted, Van der Sloot could face a prison sentence of not less than 15 years.
 
In an exclusive interview with Radio Netherlands International, Edward Alvarez Flores family's lawyer, insists on the guarantees and rights that exist in Peru so that Joran van der Sloot in front of a fair trial.
 
In the words of counsel, "Peru live in a democracy and as such, there is a full respect for fundamental rights, among them, the judiciary and penal system instances to ensure that the process followed to Joran van der Sloot is framed within the guarantee of due process. The principle of presumption of innocence can not be called into question until a final decision is final. "
 
The way in which Joran van der Sloot was shown to the national and international press a week ago sparked criticism from the Netherlands authorities, which suggest that Van der Sloot "had already been condemned by the media."
 
Alvarez acknowledges that "you have treated a little media to information about the case. It's common in Peru's courts, but we in no way questioned the principle of presumption of innocence of Joran van der Sloot. Nor can be presented in a situation that undermines human dignity ".
 
Testing
Judge Cordova Morales has ordered psychological examinations and psychiatric Joran van der Sloot, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage. The inquest continues and Alvarez explains what is still unknown about the evidence.

 
"In the course of the judicial inquiry," she adds, "there is much to complete. A key is reading the files found in the 'laptop' from Joran Van der Sloot, because we do not know what information it contains . Also lacking magazine record of phone calls received Stephany Flores. We received calls from Joran days before his death. There are people in the casino who had knowledge of the presence of Joran van der Sloot, if you earned money and if it is true who entered with such amount of money the place. "
 
The computer's hard drive van der Sloot would contain information about the murder in 2005 in Aruba of American Natalee Holloway (18).
 
Authorities in Aruba and the United States to Peru have requested that you immediately what kind of information is concerned.
 
Extradition
Alvarez's lawyer insists that Joran van der Sloot "definitely will not be extradited. Peru has an agreement with Holland, so this figure is not feasible. Confirmed the authorship of the assassination, Van der Sloot will have to serve his sentence in Peru. I I may not return to the Netherlands to a penalty when there is an agreement with Peru. "
 
RNW sources who requested anonymity say the mother of Joran van der Sloot is trying to achieve your child's extradition to the Netherlands.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/article/joran-van-der-sloot-%C2%BFcondenado-por-los-medios
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« Reply #338 on: June 18, 2010, 11:42:14 AM »

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”


Lucky is right!!   Someone should make Chris aware of Joran's brutal behaviour very early in life-killing his own dog, etc.

I bet Melody received a hefty little sum from ABC for this ...  So Anthony-esque.

Chris won't care, none of them do.  They are all (Greta, NG, JVM, Chris Cuomo, etc) in it for ratings only. 
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« Reply #339 on: June 18, 2010, 11:42:30 AM »

VIDEO: First Look At Joran Van Der Sloot In Prison

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/video-first-look-joran-van-der-sloot-prison
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