Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Ono]

INTERVIEW WITH ANITA IN TOMORROW'S PAPER VERSION OF "DE TELEGRAAF"

Joran mother breaks silence

WILLEMSTAD - Anita van der Sloot break after years of silence. In her home in Aruba says the mother of Joran exclusively to The Telegraph about the derailment of her son and the difficulties that arose after the death of her husband, former judge Paul.

The Dutch have since her television appearance in Pauw en Witteman, in early 2008, did not comment further about Joran. She decided, however, again and tells her story to the newspaper on Saturday in the years of misery with her eldest son.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6988967/__Moeder_Joran_verbreekt_stilzwijgen__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

I have never ever bought De Telegraaf before in my life, but I will tomorrow!
I hope part of the interview will also appear online, otherwise I will translate the whole thing and post it here!

Thanks in advance!!! 

[Northern Rose]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”

Lucky is right!!   Someone should make Chris aware of Joran's brutal behaviour very early in life-killing his own dog, etc.

I bet Melody received a hefty little sum from ABC for this ...  So Anthony-esque.

Yes I bet she received a hefty sum!

o/t - how's that great Pruvian coffee this morning Ono?

Fantastic!  I'm purchasing more today-Winn Dixie has it in their organics section. 

I found mine in the organics section as well.

[can]

On that video link I just posted the reporter says Joran will not give any interviews to the media unless he is paid for it.

Who would want a pay interview with a stinky old murderer?

I mean, besides ABC and CBS?

This is just sickening.

I think that reporter is FOS.  No way, imo, that prison would allow Joran to do interviews for money while awaiting trial, or even after conviction.

If it were to be allowed, then we have been seriously misled as to the prison system in Peru.

JMO

Lifesong I wonder if the reporter was speaking of the past?

I agree that I don't think they would allow Joran to have an interview with the Press.

Joran's glory days when he could demand $$$'s for his lies are over. 
Maybe he taught Mama Sloot something though.  $$$'s on the lives of the innocent young victims.  How low can you go?!

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot Case: broadcast photographs of the scene of the crime of Stephany Flores (with video)

The footage appreciate the personal property of the young murdered and the perpetrator, the Netherlands citizen now held in the Castro Castro prison

New evidence that could be used as evidence to incriminate more Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Stephany Flores, were published by a website.

In images broadcast by the news on TV "90 Seconds", are seen photographs taken at the crime scene, among which Flores Stephany clothes, like his blue jean shorts, a black polo and other objects of the victim.

Also, there are also personal belongings of Van der Sloot. These polos, shorts and a white shirt with the same red spots, which correspond to blood group Stephany Flores.

Objects that the Dutchman handed to taxi drivers who facilitated his escape to India, coffee cups and Atlantic City casino tickets were also photographed, as shown in the web portal RadarOnline.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/496753/caso-joran-van-der-sloot-difunden-fotografias-escena-crimen-stephany-flores

[Anna]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Jo-An

Considering I am a believer in changed lives if there is a will ... I thought that maybe Anita's silence in past couple of week was an indication that she had come to place where she was no longer going to abet her son by protecting him from the consequences of his wrongdoing.

I was wrong big time.

Janet
               

That's exactly what I thought too.

I didn't think she would ever face the truth.  The spin the Joran supporters, lead by Anita, will be that Joran was a delight until Beth wrongly accused him in the disappearance of Natalee.

Being the sensitive type, this so traumatized him that it was only then that he just snapped or caved under the pressure of being wrongly accused.

Nevermind that he viciously killed his own dog and blamed Herbie Merryweather, had to be put in that shed because he kicked his own brothers so, had to go to therapy for beating a child at school as demanded by the parents of that child, threw the child through a plate glass window, showed a knife to tourist and threatened him at Dunkin Donuts, threw a choller off a bridge, pulled a knife on a girl in Carlos & Charlies and on and on. . .but you get the picture.

Greta, we did this twenty times before and nothing bad happened--Joran.

Anita will never admit what Joran truly is and has always been.  It would totally invalidate her whole permissive philosophy of life.

JMO but you know I'm right.

.

[Tylergal]

Joran's Ex Gives Weird Televised Interview

http://jezebel.com/5566135/jorans-ex-gives-weird-televised-interview

Melody Granadillo dated Dutch murderer Joran Van der Sloot in October, 2003, just two years before he allegedly killed American teenager Natalee Holloway. And now she's coming forward to talk about her famous ex-boyfriend.

-snip-

After all that Van der Sloot has done, I find Granadillo's "coming forward" kind of gross. The preview promises we will learn why she is talking to the press now, but I suspect we already know why. Granadillo is riding Van der Sloot's coattails to her 15 minutes of fame. Our sustained fascination with Van der Sloot has allowed someone like Granadillo to capitalize on a teenage relationship. Though she may feign disgust at what Van der Sloot has done, she remained friends with him long after he had been accused of murder, long after he had given police false information about the location of Natalee Holloway's body. Perhaps she was blinded by the memory of her first love, but if she can't see him clearly now, she never will. He may have given her skittles and hickeys, but he ended the lives of two other young women - Granadillo should try not to forget that fact when describing her "romantic" ex.

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People are shredding her a new b-hole.

Thanks Carpe.

I can't help but think others encouraged Melody to do this.  Aline, Anita, and Jan Brennan all come to mind.  JMO

If I recall correctly when she did the interview with Rita Cosby in 2005, it was at the insistence of the lovely talented, Julia Renfro, friend and confidant of the ever-so-charming Anita (mother to our favorite murderer and handmaiden benefactor of the brilliant but deceased loser Paulus).

Tyler - have I ever told you how much I enjoy your posts.  They convey my type of humour along with common sense and much truth. Thank you for all these years of sharing your thoughts with us.

OT - I do hope this is a good year for the roses. 

Tyler, I have been dying to ask about the roses.  I heard you talking about salt in the soil and didn't dare ask.

Oh, Barely, thank you for asking.  They were really beautiful this spring but they are about 200 less than I had at one time.  I had to shovel-prune about 200 because they got a virus that blew in during Katrina and we thought we lost about 50 that year, but it appears that the virus laid dormant in the soil or the roses and the following Spring many more showed signs of the disease (rose rosette disease, which is fatal and will infect other roses).  We had to shovel-prune quite a few more and bought some pretty nasty insecticides that had to be pretty toxic as we had to have prescriptions for it from a county agent.  It seems we are okay now (knocking on wood) and maybe it was all good.  We seem to have a healthier group of roses that requires less care and just enough to make a beautiful statement!  They are still pretty but they were magnificent this spring, because we had a very cold winter which meant they bloomed more.  Plants that survive a cold winter bloom better because they "set more fruit."

Thank you for asking.  I am sorry I was a long time responding but I took a long summer's nap.  Unable to sleep last night due to old age pains, I was up until early morning hours.

[can]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST (I'm not real good at it)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

Joran van der Sloot: Ex-girlfriend’s Nickname Should Be “LUCKY”

Lucky is right!!   Someone should make Chris aware of Joran's brutal behaviour very early in life-killing his own dog, etc.

I bet Melody received a hefty little sum from ABC for this ...  So Anthony-esque.

Yes I bet she received a hefty sum!

o/t - how's that great Pruvian coffee this morning Ono?

Fantastic!  I'm purchasing more today-Winn Dixie has it in their organics section. 

I found mine in the organics section as well.

Three cheers for Peruvian coffee purchasers!!!  I will look for it when my stock runs out.

[can]

Ok, it's now official.
Anita has an IQ below 0.

Jo-An

Considering I am a believer in changed lives if there is a will ... I thought that maybe Anita's silence in past couple of week was an indication that she had come to place where she was no longer going to abet her son by protecting him from the consequences of his wrongdoing.

I was wrong big time.

Janet
               

That's exactly what I thought too.

I didn't think she would ever face the truth.  The spin the Joran supporters, lead by Anita, will be that Joran was a delight until Beth wrongly accused him in the disappearance of Natalee.

Being the sensitive type, this so traumatized him that it was only then that he just snapped or caved under the pressure of being wrongly accused.

Nevermind that he viciously killed his own dog and blamed Herbie Merryweather, had to be put in that shed because he kicked his own brothers so, had to go to therapy for beating a child at school as demanded by the parents of that child, threw the child through a plate glass window, showed a knife to tourist and threatened him at Dunkin Donuts, threw a choller off a bridge, pulled a knife on a girl in Carlos & Charlies and on and on. . .but you get the picture.

Greta, we did this twenty times before and nothing bad happened--Joran.

Anita will never admit what Joran truly is and has always been.  It would totally invalidate her whole permissive philosophy of life.

JMO but you know I'm right.

.

ITA Anna.  Now she will add his father's death to her pity list.

[Ono]

This current attempt to humanize a common vicious murderer is revolting.   

[Anna]

arubanews: Joran van der Sloot, "condemned by the media? - Radio Nederland

"Peru live in a democracy and there is full respect for fundamental rights. Joran van der Sloot have a fair trial."

The Peruvian justice system is under international pressure over the case of the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who ask Judge Carlos Morales on Monday June 21 in a prison.
 

Listen to the interview with the lawyer Edward Alvarez:

 
As formal start of the trial against the Dutchman, the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima scheduled interrogation Joran Van der Sloot, in the process remains as the alleged perpetrator of the crimes of murder and theft to the detriment of the young Stephany Flores.
 
Stagecoach, presided by Judge Carlos Morales, will be held Monday at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Canto Grande, where the Dutchman meets detention since 11 June.
 
It will be a closed-door interrogation, in legal terms is known as the investigative stage, which can extend up to twelve months before the start of the trial against van der Sloot.
 
During the coming weeks, Judge Morales will be responsible for clarifying the facts and determine the responsibilities of Joran Van der Sloot, aged 22, in the murder of Stephany Flores, 21.
 
If convicted, Van der Sloot could face a prison sentence of not less than 15 years.
 
In an exclusive interview with Radio Netherlands International, Edward Alvarez Flores family's lawyer, insists on the guarantees and rights that exist in Peru so that Joran van der Sloot in front of a fair trial.
 
In the words of counsel, "Peru live in a democracy and as such, there is a full respect for fundamental rights, among them, the judiciary and penal system instances to ensure that the process followed to Joran van der Sloot is framed within the guarantee of due process. The principle of presumption of innocence can not be called into question until a final decision is final. "
 
The way in which Joran van der Sloot was shown to the national and international press a week ago sparked criticism from the Netherlands authorities, which suggest that Van der Sloot "had already been condemned by the media."
 
Alvarez acknowledges that "you have treated a little media to information about the case. It's common in Peru's courts, but we in no way questioned the principle of presumption of innocence of Joran van der Sloot. Nor can be presented in a situation that undermines human dignity ".
 
Testing
Judge Cordova Morales has ordered psychological examinations and psychiatric Joran van der Sloot, and the ratification of the autopsy and all the expert opinions made in the preliminary stage. The inquest continues and Alvarez explains what is still unknown about the evidence.

 
"In the course of the judicial inquiry," she adds, "there is much to complete. A key is reading the files found in the 'laptop' from Joran Van der Sloot, because we do not know what information it contains . Also lacking magazine record of phone calls received Stephany Flores. We received calls from Joran days before his death. There are people in the casino who had knowledge of the presence of Joran van der Sloot, if you earned money and if it is true who entered with such amount of money the place. "
 
The computer's hard drive van der Sloot would contain information about the murder in 2005 in Aruba of American Natalee Holloway (18).
 
Authorities in Aruba and the United States to Peru have requested that you immediately what kind of information is concerned.
 
Extradition
Alvarez's lawyer insists that Joran van der Sloot "definitely will not be extradited. Peru has an agreement with Holland, so this figure is not feasible. Confirmed the authorship of the assassination, Van der Sloot will have to serve his sentence in Peru. I I may not return to the Netherlands to a penalty when there is an agreement with Peru. "
 
RNW sources who requested anonymity say the mother of Joran van der Sloot is trying to achieve your child's extradition to the Netherlands.

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/article/joran-van-der-sloot-%C2%BFcondenado-por-los-medios

Oh, hell no!  There is NO "international pressure" being exerted on Peru to handle Joran any differently that they do their other prisoners!

It's only the DUTCH and Arubans who are at all concerned with Joran's rights!  The rest of the world wants him treated WORSE!!!

So the whining of his own does not really count.  I have not seen one single other country speaking out on behalf of Joran.

All I have seen is concern that Peru not allow him to avoid punishment the way Aruba and the Dutch did before.  THey are delusional if they think anybody is worried about Joran's rights!

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you for asking.  I am sorry I was a long time responding but I took a long summer's nap.  Unable to sleep last night due to old age pains, I was up until early morning hours.

Tylergal

Getting old sucks!  A nap throughout the day implies a sleepless night for me.  On a good night ... I only sleep only six or seven hours.  Often I am up ... wide awake .. doing chores at 5:00 am.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

This current attempt to humanize a common vicious murderer is revolting.   

It is a betrayal to the victims.

Janet

[SunnyinTX]

VIDEO: First Look At Joran Van Der Sloot In Prison

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/video-first-look-joran-van-der-sloot-prison

thanks NR...Good Afternoon Monks and Guests...have been watching HLN all morning while getting my chores done....they have shown Jean C. at the prison so much I can almost relate it word for word.

[carpe noctem]

This current attempt to humanize a common vicious murderer is revolting.   

I know... I know Ono... I`m feeling ya! Just remember to take 30 seconds every once in awhile to breathe in deep and relax... and remember, this mofo is gonna be deader that a doornail very soon. No worries.

All efforts to save him will fail miserably. He`s spent.

[SunnyinTX]

Ex girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot: "He was amazing and romantic."
His name is Melody Granadillo and seven years ago had a seven-month romantic relationship with the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot.

"He was unbelievable," said Granadillo in an interview on "20/20" on ABC.

"It was romantic, we sat and talked for hours. We liked to look at the eyes, "he said. Both were 17 when they met at a birthday party in Aruba.

A RELATIONSHIP WAS DEEP
Granadillo narrated that saves some objects of that relationship as photos, emails and a daily special.

"We joked around a lot," she wrote on one of their first sexual encounters with Van der Sloot. "He wanted a sensual dance and gave it (...) was an amazing night, romantic and fun."

However, she also reported some details that are now known for his controversial personality. "He could lie for no apparent reason," he said.

http://www.moda.com.pe/entretinimiento/peru/ex-novia-de-joran-van-der-sloot-%C3%A9l-era-asombroso-y-rom%C3%A1ntico

I fail to see why anyone is interested in the romantic ramblings of puppy love ............who cares!!

[SunnyinTX]

INTERVIEW WITH ANITA IN TOMORROW'S PAPER VERSION OF "DE TELEGRAAF"

Joran mother breaks silence

WILLEMSTAD - Anita van der Sloot break after years of silence. In her home in Aruba says the mother of Joran exclusively to The Telegraph about the derailment of her son and the difficulties that arose after the death of her husband, former judge Paul.

The Dutch have since her television appearance in Pauw en Witteman, in early 2008, did not comment further about Joran. She decided, however, again and tells her story to the newspaper on Saturday in the years of misery with her eldest son.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6988967/__Moeder_Joran_verbreekt_stilzwijgen__.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

I have never ever bought De Telegraaf before in my life, but I will tomorrow!
I hope part of the interview will also appear online, otherwise I will translate the whole thing and post it here!

Thanks Jo-An......sounds like this is going to be a pity me interview

[Blonde]

Can we count the ways Joran has taunted Natalee’s family about what finally happened that night?

I’m confused on a couple of these, but let’s start with --

Dropped off at Holiday Inn
Left on beach (many variations on this story)
In the ocean (Peter de Vries recording)
Sold (Greta interview, later retracted)
Off a balcony (Jaap? interview)
Left in swamp/pond (Jaap? map)
Buried at a pre-construction site (John Q Kelly)

--  and I’m sure some smart monkeys can make corrections and add to.

Lets not forget in a plastic bag in a cement  square at the head of a pond.
(can't recall the word used for that cement square)

Flipped and I hit negitive they saw Natalee's face..

[carpe noctem]

Ex girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot: "He was amazing and romantic."
His name is Melody Granadillo and seven years ago had a seven-month romantic relationship with the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot.

"He was unbelievable," said Granadillo in an interview on "20/20" on ABC.

"It was romantic, we sat and talked for hours. We liked to look at the eyes, "he said. Both were 17 when they met at a birthday party in Aruba.

A RELATIONSHIP WAS DEEP
Granadillo narrated that saves some objects of that relationship as photos, emails and a daily special.

"We joked around a lot," she wrote on one of their first sexual encounters with Van der Sloot. "He wanted a sensual dance and gave it (...) was an amazing night, romantic and fun."

However, she also reported some details that are now known for his controversial personality. "He could lie for no apparent reason," he said.

http://www.moda.com.pe/entretinimiento/peru/ex-novia-de-joran-van-der-sloot-%C3%A9l-era-asombroso-y-rom%C3%A1ntico

I fail to see why anyone is interested in the romantic ramblings of puppy love ............who cares!!

Have you seen those fruity pictures and letters? I mean, we all have done some of that stuff... and maybe even saved a few things...

...BUT IF I EVER HAD THEM BROADCASTED ON ABC 20/20...

I do believe I would go drown myself in a lake.

How embarrassing!

[Anna]

O/T  I have been unable to locate Peruvian coffee locally but have not checked everywhere because of the heat index being so high.

Meanwhile, you can find the amazon search box on this page somewhere.  By clicking on it, I find about 80.  Some are whole beans and I do not currently own a grinder so will have to go with ground.  Watch the amounts and prices and some are not too expensive.

I think I am going to go with this one below.  And by the way, if you go to Amazon from this webpage, SM gets a tiny rebate.  Not much but if we all do it routinely, it will add up to a little bit.

Anwyay, here's the link to the coffee I chose:

http://www.amazon.com/First-Colony-Peruvian-Mountain-Certified/dp/B001O1Z5JK/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&s=grocery&qid=1276881559&sr=8-20

[Blonde]

Can we count the ways Joran has taunted Natalee’s family about what finally happened that night?

I’m confused on a couple of these, but let’s start with --

Dropped off at Holiday Inn
Left on beach (many variations on this story)
In the ocean (Peter de Vries recording)
Sold (Greta interview, later retracted)
Off a balcony (Jaap? interview)
Left in swamp/pond (Jaap? map)
Buried at a pre-construction site (John Q Kelly)

--  and I’m sure some smart monkeys can make corrections and add to.

Lets not forget in a plastic bag in a cement  square at the head of a pond.
(can't recall the word used for that cement square)

Flipped and I hit negitive they saw Natalee's face..