Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[klaasend]

I'm in the middle of reading the latest People magazine.

There is a large story about Joran - when I opened to the first page of the story, I was in tears as they have pics of Natalee and Stephany side by side.

The article is extremely interesting.

Lots of info about Joran (and pics) regarding his life over the last few years.

One interesting quote from Anita, "I haven't spoken with Joran in a long time.  Not since his father's death".

hmm.

anyway, thought you all might be interested.  Some inconsistencies, but interesting to read for instance, that he was evicted from his house in Thailand due to partying and tearing up the place.  Lots of quotes from people he knows, including one from a woman who said that she saw him at a casino, about to leave with a woman.  She went up to the woman and said, "do you know who he is?".  Joran called her a bitch and walked off.

That is a lie

[carpe noctem]

I'm in the middle of reading the latest People magazine.

There is a large story about Joran - when I opened to the first page of the story, I was in tears as they have pics of Natalee and Stephany side by side.

The article is extremely interesting.

Lots of info about Joran (and pics) regarding his life over the last few years.

One interesting quote from Anita, "I haven't spoken with Joran in a long time.  Not since his father's death".

hmm.

anyway, thought you all might be interested.  Some inconsistencies, but interesting to read for instance, that he was evicted from his house in Thailand due to partying and tearing up the place.  Lots of quotes from people he knows, including one from a woman who said that she saw him at a casino, about to leave with a woman.  She went up to the woman and said, "do you know who he is?".  Joran called her a bitch and walked off.

All Klaas has to do is post the April 25, 2010 Bingo pic... we`ll blow that lying slug right out of the water. Next whopper, Anita?

[Shan1628]

It wouldn`t surprise me if Melody was X.


X, May 27 at 5:47 - Well, I would gladly do so because you're .. If you do it half early June, then I can give you up to 300. It is my phone bill was 270 euros. Gio tired and I do. Sorry that I promised, if you do not have money in June or need for something, let me know ok? Sorry honey!

Joran, May 27 at 8:52 p.m. - Say no equal. I have enough money, now just need help and counting on, I'd like you really hear the double return. But never mind, my mom is helping me already. Leave me alone, okay. Greetings and success.

X, May 27 at 9:04 p.m. - Whahah, oh, so with that I could only make up and now you're mad, oh baby, not raised, there are worse people in your life.  Haha, and I suppose you could give (because now you no longer need) when I get it back? And ps: what is this crazy site, everything is in English.

Joran, May 27 at 9:24 p.m. - I told you twice returned as soon as I was in Aruba, but you're the only talk and nothing else. I always keep my word and take good care of people like you, so what you do not understand? Leave me alone. If you do not help me when I most need now, then you have no value for me. If you had asked me for help I had done it right. Greetings and success in your life.

Sure seems that way.  This speaks volumes if it is her.  Definitely tells me a lot about what he truly thinks of women.  He's definitely a woman hater, among many, many other things....

[klaasend]

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

[canoworms]

Now they are saying Stefany wasn't wearing any of those clothes?  Did I hear that right?

I thought she still had her shirt on, no?

I read T shirt and Panties, sanitary pad attached * this was from a transcript and later quoted, elsewhere* His "confession" or interrogation asked the Q WHY did you tale off her shoes and pants...so I saw no mention of her not waering her own clothes that she entered the room with. the renactment photo/diagram shows clothing on the bed so I assumed it was hers, and his shirt was on her, or covered her. That she was wrapped in a blanket was also quoted- the ENQUIRER had a pic of a body in a blanket but it doesn't match exactly how she was laying do maybe the pic is skewed to see all elements...
I would like to see this come to a close quickly without all of the other inconsistencies surrounding NH's case.
Delena

[Anna]

canoworms, her father was a member of that AHATA thing or whatever it was.  He was a hotel contractor.  If she has no money to support her baby, then I suppose she is having to whore herself out for to ABC in which case her parents must be like Anita, lying about being broke.  Is there something in the water in Aruba that makes everyone lie so much or do all the liars just go to Aruba because they know there is no accounting for lack of morals, integrity and responsibility.

How many of you former RWV posters recall the day she came on there with a "friend" and it was discovered that the friend was Anita, and how many of you recall Melody blaming Natalee because Natalee was older, more worldly and mature than poor sporter boy.  Age had nothing to do with that.  I asked her if Joran liked rough sex and she told me once in a blue moon. 

Nods head emphatically....and Dan admonished us for being hard on her...citing her tender age,...blablabla.I sure do remember Melody fifteen more minutes of fame Granadillo.
Selena

Yes and her English was always so much better when Anita was telling her what to say, lol.

[canoworms]

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

maybe he's a blow up doll.

[Anna]

It wouldn`t surprise me if Melody was X.


X, May 27 at 5:47 - Well, I would gladly do so because you're .. If you do it half early June, then I can give you up to 300. It is my phone bill was 270 euros. Gio tired and I do. Sorry that I promised, if you do not have money in June or need for something, let me know ok? Sorry honey!

Joran, May 27 at 8:52 p.m. - Say no equal. I have enough money, now just need help and counting on, I'd like you really hear the double return. But never mind, my mom is helping me already. Leave me alone, okay. Greetings and success.

X, May 27 at 9:04 p.m. - Whahah, oh, so with that I could only make up and now you're mad, oh baby, not raised, there are worse people in your life.  Haha, and I suppose you could give (because now you no longer need) when I get it back? And ps: what is this crazy site, everything is in English.

Joran, May 27 at 9:24 p.m. - I told you twice returned as soon as I was in Aruba, but you're the only talk and nothing else. I always keep my word and take good care of people like you, so what you do not understand? Leave me alone. If you do not help me when I most need now, then you have no value for me. If you had asked me for help I had done it right. Greetings and success in your life.

Sure seems that way.  This speaks volumes if it is her.  Definitely tells me a lot about what he truly thinks of women.  He's definitely a woman hater, among many, many other things....

Again, no, Mellany would say her phone bill in florins and not euros.  Ludwick likely in florins or dollars.  I think it is ssomebody in NL or even Thailand.


Melony is exaggerating her contacts with Joran to enhance her ability to sell interviews, etc.

[klaasend]

It wouldn`t surprise me if Melody was X.


X, May 27 at 5:47 - Well, I would gladly do so because you're .. If you do it half early June, then I can give you up to 300. It is my phone bill was 270 euros. Gio tired and I do. Sorry that I promised, if you do not have money in June or need for something, let me know ok? Sorry honey!

Joran, May 27 at 8:52 p.m. - Say no equal. I have enough money, now just need help and counting on, I'd like you really hear the double return. But never mind, my mom is helping me already. Leave me alone, okay. Greetings and success.

X, May 27 at 9:04 p.m. - Whahah, oh, so with that I could only make up and now you're mad, oh baby, not raised, there are worse people in your life.  Haha, and I suppose you could give (because now you no longer need) when I get it back? And ps: what is this crazy site, everything is in English.

Joran, May 27 at 9:24 p.m. - I told you twice returned as soon as I was in Aruba, but you're the only talk and nothing else. I always keep my word and take good care of people like you, so what you do not understand? Leave me alone. If you do not help me when I most need now, then you have no value for me. If you had asked me for help I had done it right. Greetings and success in your life.

Sure seems that way.  This speaks volumes if it is her.  Definitely tells me a lot about what he truly thinks of women.  He's definitely a woman hater, among many, many other things....

Again, no, Mellany would say her phone bill in florins and not euros.  Ludwick likely in florins or dollars.  I think it is ssomebody in NL or even Thailand.


Melony is exaggerating her contacts with Joran to enhance her ability to sell interviews, etc.

Kirk Atkinson aka WhiteOut the co-owner of the coffee shop in Thailand, now the owner?  Very possible.

[canoworms]

I believe the gf Joran was asking for money from was in the NL wasn't she?


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I read that she was 20 and her English translated seemed like she could have been.
When will these young girls get smart?
Selena....not Delena, but that is a cool sounding typo

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[Tamikosmom]

MELODY

When Beth and Melody's words are considered in context ... the implication is that Paulus did not pick up Joran at 11:00 PM at the Excelsior casino on the evening of May 29, 2005.  In other words ... Joran did not go home prior to going to Carlos & Charlies.

Janet

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Nancy Grace - August 3, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlie`s, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html


Melody - Joran's Former Girlfriend
Riehlworld View Posts
August, 2005

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ... i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM


but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM


wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am ... i wrote down the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_32.html

[Anna]

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

maybe he's a blow up doll.

Joran looks very strange in that photo.  Ears sticking out more than usual even.  Are we positive that's him?  Maybe Anita doesn't even know he's back there, lol.  She is pretty dense, you know.

Also why is he wearing a badge?  Isn't he later seen doing something like officiating at the bingo game?

Probably it's just Anita lying again, however.

But what's with the badge?

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[cw618]

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

he is looking right at the camera

[klaasend]

Anna - prior to Joran leaving Aruba in May it was looking like Melody and Joran might have gotten back together.  There were even some facebook posts that had us wondering if Joran had just gotten her pregnant.  Anita was regularly commenting on Melody's facebook.  I don't think Melody is exaggerating about her recent contact with Joran at all.

[Shan1628]

Now they are saying Stefany wasn't wearing any of those clothes?  Did I hear that right?

I thought she still had her shirt on, no?

I read T shirt and Panties, sanitary pad attached * this was from a transcript and later quoted, elsewhere* His "confession" or interrogation asked the Q WHY did you tale off her shoes and pants...so I saw no mention of her not waering her own clothes that she entered the room with. the renactment photo/diagram shows clothing on the bed so I assumed it was hers, and his shirt was on her, or covered her. That she was wrapped in a blanket was also quoted- the ENQUIRER had a pic of a body in a blanket but it doesn't match exactly how she was laying do maybe the pic is skewed to see all elements...
I would like to see this come to a close quickly without all of the other inconsistencies surrounding NH's case.
Delena

The items being shown on NG are items recovered from the room where Stefany was killed and there is a pic of the items that Urine gave the various cab drivers throughout his escape through Chile.  For goodness sake, they're arguing over the front and back of a shirt.  Give me a freakin' break.  The gray/whitish shirt is the same shirt he was wearing when they arrived at the hotel from the casino.  He suffocated her with that shirt and then covered her body with it.  Getting sick of NG and her inaccurate reporting as well.  Grrrr.

[carpe noctem]

Well I do hope Kirk and John haven`t taken to calling him HONEY.... but with Joran, hey!!! It could happen.

[Tylergal]

I believe the gf Joran was asking for money from was in the NL wasn't she?


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I read that she was 20 and her English translated seemed like she could have been.
When will these young girls get smart?
Selena....not Delena, but that is a cool sounding typo

LOL.  Poor girls.  The world is full of mean people and stupid people looking to be their doormats.

[Magnolia]

April 25, 2010 - ISA Bingo

maybe he's a blow up doll.

Joran looks very strange in that photo.  Ears sticking out more than usual even.  Are we positive that's him?  Maybe Anita doesn't even know he's back there, lol.  She is pretty dense, you know.

Also why is he wearing a badge?  Isn't he later seen doing something like officiating at the bingo game?

Probably it's just Anita lying again, however.

But what's with the badge?

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It is the emblem from the front of the police hat in the fish trap. LOLOL

[SunnyinTX]

Joran's mattress isn't on the floor now......has a bed frame..........I think they cleaned up the place for this tour.

I had to laugh when Jinkasaurus said "look, he has his own bathroom" LOL....a hole in the ground

that was such a set up!  LOL  who do they think they are fooling.........the attorney on Nancy disGrace said they don't have toilet paper....eeewwwww

[Lifesong]

Now they are saying Stefany wasn't wearing any of those clothes?  Did I hear that right?

I thought she still had her shirt on, no?

I read T shirt and Panties, sanitary pad attached * this was from a transcript and later quoted, elsewhere* His "confession" or interrogation asked the Q WHY did you tale off her shoes and pants...so I saw no mention of her not waering her own clothes that she entered the room with. the renactment photo/diagram shows clothing on the bed so I assumed it was hers, and his shirt was on her, or covered her. That she was wrapped in a blanket was also quoted- the ENQUIRER had a pic of a body in a blanket but it doesn't match exactly how she was laying do maybe the pic is skewed to see all elements...
I would like to see this come to a close quickly without all of the other inconsistencies surrounding NH's case.
Delena

The items being shown on NG are items recovered from the room where Stefany was killed and there is a pic of the items that Urine gave the various cab drivers throughout his escape through Chile.  For goodness sake, they're arguing over the front and back of a shirt.  Give me a freakin' break.  The gray/whitish shirt is the same shirt he was wearing when they arrived at the hotel from the casino.  He suffocated her with that shirt and then covered her body with it.  Getting sick of NG and her inaccurate reporting as well.  Grrrr.

I'm talking about the sleeveless black t-shirt that the videos from the casino showed Stefany wearing - it said Nike down the front of it in large different colored letters.  The lady commenting on the pictures said it was Stefany's shirt, found in the room, and she was not wearing it.