Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Bearlyhere]

I am not going to be watching ABC 20/20. I am peeved. While I promise not to march on Disneyland and burn it down... I will not contribute one rating point to this.


Love letters.... yeeeeee blehhhhhhhh.



It is ABC`s generalllll directiiiiion in which I primarily do my frowning.

Ditto!!!!

Tritto!

[Kermit]

Now John Ludwick is saying he was friends with Joran for 2 1/2 months....earlier in the week it was 3 1/2 months.

so why perchance is he shaving off one month? there is a reason.........

He didn't even know Joran until after PVDS died and Joran came to Aruba.  I think that was early March?  So he met Joran some time after that.  Joran left Aruba for Columbia on May 13th.  I think John Ludwick forgot his basic math.

Joran added John Ludwick as a friend March 6, 2010.

[Deenie]

LOL! Fruitcake with EXTRA nuts! <wink>

He might be able to fly with an insanity plea for the extortion, but he exhibited loads of conscienceness of guilt and rational planning to cover up and escape with Stephany's murder. Mighty helpful of him to do a good bit of that on film, too! Ohhh, Joran! You may win an oscar and when it's awarded to you, I hope the inmates use it like the Bwa Ha balls the jailers took from you.

OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennessee.

Insanity will not wash with the Feds..............Federal prisons are full of white collar criminals who tried it unsuccessfully.

The Jig is UP with Joran. He is within jurisdiction of Peru's Laws. He is not a citizen of the US - so nothing applies to him from the US within his civil rights. He is a product of his own country - and yet is being held " with confession" ( regardless if he had proper representation at the time) in Peru.  He has not a leg to stand on. Nada~ If he were to have been charged with a misdemeanor " in Aruba" and given probation within Natalee's case - He would be documented in Aruba. Therefore  he would have " some" way of retribution - Something working for him. For Aruba to have and offer up to the officials in Peru.  That he was Not " charged as a felon" but did admit to some responsibility - to Natalee's case. But he never did that. He walked away from Aruba with all the ppl " chanting " He is innocent.  His ERROR - He is Joran - the taller more masculine version of Casey. He thinks he walks on Water.  He should have " if he really wanted to be that Guy, to walk and go freely without notice- should have admitted himself to be within Natalee's disappearance. He would have gotten off with probation and could have easily fled Aruba after the fact. ( officials in other countries (3rd world or near) they would find his records from Aruba and say - Let him go) if he were to be involved with any crimes. Gambling, extortion, playing with girls to make them escorts etc (not murder).  Claim Him punk. But that is not the case at all. Its quite the opposite. He has no " record within Natalee's death in Aruba" he has nothing on paper against him. He was held for questioning and let go.  So now its "Politics".  You have the officials in Aruba that will NOT admit they did anything wrong - Will not offer up anything that is pointing the finger to them " yet the Nations are screaming at Aruba at present " WHY Did you let him Go, Why did you offer him Special treatment - WHY Was He not Held Responsible, Why and than it follows suit to his Father, ( his works when alive) to the Atty's representing the Family VDS- The infamous Anita ick.
Now you have the Officials in Peru screaming - He murdered one of our own - Stephany in cold blood. It's pure debacle.
 But the thing that is trite and yet is of a mention - Aruba survives off of American's and others who vacation - Tourism. Peru not so much.  Aruba the longer they Stand against Natalee's Case NOW as of present - they are Losing $$$ Money.. losing tourism. Much more than they could ever imagine 5yrs ago today.  They are going to step up soon. I have a feeling. I have seen the Boycott Aruba on SM for over 3 yrs of being a member on SM. Yes, it was made a bumper sticker by those of SM who actually went to Aruba to find Natalee/her Justice. But Now its no longer a bumper sticker -Aruba is being held accountable. Aruba is in the spot light ~ not for Fun either.  People now from every nation have proof that Aruba failed Natalee. 
The Proof is now sitting in a cell (too proper for him) - but I don't care -
he Joran is " contained" .. he is not going anywhere soon. 
So who's on first at this point.  The one who is bleeding out ( not to be funny nor smart) it is Aruba with lack of tourism. That is the question? Is Aruba going to finally make a statement?  Who is going to step up and admit failure * no one.. It won't be for Natalee.. that Aruba makes a statement, nope.  But it will come soon.  And it will be said and it won't have to due with extradition of Joran either. If anything Aruba will finally be offering enough info to keep Joran in Peru. Just enough to sweeten them - to make them look like the Hero.  Than some makeshift half axs (within the law) "statement " will come out ~ from Aruba's officials. That will extinguish Aruba's officials from wrong doings - or lack of participation within Natalee's case.
  Like Blink says - Bet your Bippy.  All is jmo.

[Bearlyhere]

CBB I think you have it correct.  If the big bad FBI did not try to catch her spawn then he would not have snapped and could happily continue playing his little game of catch me if you can.  IIRC there was an article shortly after Stephany was murdered that said he was to go for treatment.

I'd forgotten that, NR! Thanks for the reminder! There was also some information that Anita and he weren't getting along well because he was gambling and cavorting. I wonder if the treatment was set up to give him an out for what he said on tape to the FBI, or if it was set up prior to that. My guess is AFTER, but I don't know that.

Send him off to NL and put him in the wacko brigade, and he can plead insanity for the set-up by FBI and Natalee's death.  See, it's Anita who is entangled and mentally ill.  She gave it to Joran.  It's hereditary.  She is a total fruitcake.

All of this puts people who are mentally ill in a bad light.  Mentally ill people do not just go around killing people.  Joran knows right from wrong.  Anything he wants to do is right and anything anyone else wants him to do is wrong.

Anita, let go of the ties and give yourself a break, live your own life and let him take his lumps.  If he needs help, make sure he gets it, but if he does not want it, you cannot force him to take it.  He no longer needs a mommy but he could use a Mother.  A mother's job is different than a mommy, he is old enough to look after himself.  Love him but don't enable him.  He has made his own decisions and he basically told you to stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.  You cannot make him do anything, please think about this. 

Your other children do not need to lose their Mom to a heart attack.  They need the one parent they still have to show them what to do when someone tells them to flake off.  By letting Joran treat you this way, you are showing them it is all right for him to treat them that way also.  One dead and one wounded, what is your choice?

[Bearlyhere]

I may be loosing my mind but the article Lifesong posted says that sporter fled Peru after murdering Stephany to go check himself into a clinic?

Sorry it's beem a long day for me, the county accidentally cut our phone and cable lines digging out trees and I am on my neighbours wireless until the phone company decides to come out around Tuesday.

Oh, Northern Rose, I am so sorry, your loss is our loss.

[Bearlyhere]

CBB I think you have it correct.  If the big bad FBI did not try to catch her spawn then he would not have snapped and could happily continue playing his little game of catch me if you can.  IIRC there was an article shortly after Stephany was murdered that said he was to go for treatment.

I'd forgotten that, NR! Thanks for the reminder! There was also some information that Anita and he weren't getting along well because he was gambling and cavorting. I wonder if the treatment was set up to give him an out for what he said on tape to the FBI, or if it was set up prior to that. My guess is AFTER, but I don't know that.

Send him off to NL and put him in the wacko brigade, and he can plead insanity for the set-up by FBI and Natalee's death.  See, it's Anita who is entangled and mentally ill.  She gave it to Joran.  It's hereditary.  She is a total fruitcake.

LOL! Fruitcake with EXTRA nuts! <wink>

He might be able to fly with an insanity plea for the extortion, but he exhibited loads of conscienceness of guilt and rational planning to cover up and escape with Stephany's murder. Mighty helpful of him to do a good bit of that on film, too! Ohhh, Joran! You may win an oscar and when it's awarded to you, I hope the inmates use it like the Bwa Ha balls the jailers took from you.

OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennessee.

But you don't live in Tennessee, do you?

           

[Jo-An]

Sorry! It wasn't supposed to be such a huge picture! Maybe someone can delete it and I'll upload a smaller version.

[Bearlyhere]

                             

The only difference is that Roz ends up being one of the good guys.

ROFLMAO

Perfect!

You know what I like about this?  It was a monkey project.  The original idea came from Carpe--he said she was a slug, I found a picture of a slug in the same position and with the same expression of the picture, that she lied about the circumstances of, then Brandi made it come to life.  Of course, it would not have been complete without Klaas rolling on the floor and laughing about it.  I wonder how Petey felt about that.

[Bearlyhere]

Sorry! It wasn't supposed to be such a huge picture! Maybe someone can delete it and I'll upload a smaller version.

Yikes, who is blowing the place apart?

Lol!  I'll take it down.

[Bearlyhere]

OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennesse.

ROFLOL!!!

I had to google.  I do think Joran was using them on himself, seriously.

It was to make him 'fit' sotaspeak.  Otherwise, there was nothing in it for his partner.

[Jo-An]

Sorry! It wasn't supposed to be such a huge picture! Maybe someone can delete it and I'll upload a smaller version.

Yikes, who is blowing the place apart?

Lol!  I'll take it down.

Haha, thanks!

[Jo-An]

Part one of the interview - the frontpage of De Telegraaf

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - June 19th 2010




Joran's mother breaks silence
"[/size]My son is sick in his head"

ORANJESTAD (Aruba) - Saturday
by special reporters Johan van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes

The Mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, breaks the silence after many years. She says her son got into heavy psychological trouble.
Anita van der Sloot tells her story today exclusively in De Telegraaf. She said yes to a meeting with reporters, because she finds the image of Joran as "a monster" doesn't tell the whole story.
She doesn't rule out that he migt have killed Stephany Flores. Shortly before her death and during his flee she was in contact with Joran, and he sounded very paranoid. He felt like he was being "followed and watched".
According to her Joran was in heavy psychological distress after his father died. She says he blamed himself for his early death.

In the interview with De Telegraaf she says that Joran left for Peru, to escape from being admitted to a closed section of a psychiatric clinic.
"He had agreed to being admitted. But two days before he was supposed to leave for the Netherlands, he left the house."
The only thing she found, was a note that she shouldn't worry.
The director of Castro Castro yesterday tried to convince Joran van der Sloot to have an interview with CNN about the "excellent conditions in his cell" and him being treated well.
When Joran said no, he was taken out of his cell and reporters were given access to his cell. They were allowed to take pictures and shoot videos. The director indicated that Joran has a real bed in his cell with a mattress, running water, a towel and a bible to read from. His toilet is a hole in the ground.
Van der Sloot for now has the privilege of the heavily guarded cell, close to the director's office. This is a precaution, so that no one can cause him any harm.
Monday he has a court appearance.

[Deenie]

Carpe - his idea of Anita ... Roz ..
Hah I laugh because I always thought that Cindy Anthony looked like a Sleestak. ( land of the lost) hisses like one too. She needs a spit bucket 1/2 the time ..when she lying.... I mean speaking.

The media keeps comparing them ... so I guess it is .. in retrospect they are both ..
of the same breed. Had to add.

[Buckeye]

Thanks, Jo-An

Anita should keep that appointment.....for herself.

[Buckeye]

From RU:

I found the Telegraaf-interview online:

Translated:

THE arrest of Joran was not only world news. It was his mother, Anita van der Sloot (53) years on Aruba after an endpoint. For the first time she speaks. His mother will not go after Joran in his Peruvian cell. "If he did, he must bear the consequences. I can not embrace him. "She claims that her son was severely mentally in recent years ran into trouble. "His departure to Peru was a flight to escape from a clinic."

"Joran BUT HAD listened to me '

Mother Anita van der Sloot Mother Anita van der Sloot breaks silence after years

Oranjestad (Aruba), Saturday
Each son has a mother. The murder suspect Joran. Anita van der Sloot was a few weeks back a note: "I'm gone, do not worry. She saw her eldest son for the first time when he was captivated by the Peruvian police were shown on TV.
For years she stood behind him. "I believe Joran. Despite his many lies. I felt he was nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway had to do in 2005. He had left on the beach. I still believe that. "But, she says:" Stephany he may have slain. "
In half years she lost two members of her family. Died in February her husband, former judge Paul van der Sloot during a game of tennis. "He is accused of Joran had helped. It is not. Nobody insisted it harder to Joran that he had to speak the truth. On TV was a caricature of Paul. He was a gentle, honest, committed man. "

"After Natalee disappearance, he had already closed clinic should have done"

Anita van der Sloot, a schoolteacher in Aruba, never came to the fore. She informs the press. Yes, she once accompanied Joran and Paul to a TV show, where her son a glass of wine to Peter. R. de Vries pitched. "That Sarde him, chased him."

Desperate
Now she wants to talk for once. Not good to talk to her son. Not. "He lied so much that we were desperate. He also told me: 'Mom, I know no more or sometimes even just a lie or the truth. " Joran is sick in his head, but he wanted no help. "
Her son is a monster in the eyes of many. But can anyone blame her especially when her son Joran they see? "He was a sweet boy that loves animals and his grandmother. Funny, open. He has gradually lost its way. It was insidious. "
"After he was arrested for the disappearance of Natalee, he was traumatized. We then made a big mistake. We sent him to the Netherlands to study. He had entered a clinic should have done, he already had psychiatric help. He got no rest, was pursued. "
"When he walked into the trap of Peter R. de Vries, it went downhill even faster. I've seen the videotapes of the crude undercover operation. His confession was also a nice piece assembly. Joran was trying to impress. That was bad. He was then pointed at. He pretended he had cold. Joran was tough ... "She holds her fingers a piece of each other:" He has such heart, as lad al "
According to Anita said Paul regularly reproachfully. "Then he said:" Why do you say that all? "Joran then shrugged his shoulders:" I do not know, Dad, it just happens. " In consultation with his school in Arnhem, we decided that he had to leave the Netherlands. He could go to a college affiliated to the Arnhem Business School in Bangkok, Thailand.
Joran had already had talks with a psychiatrist, she says. He needed treatment but did not sit according to Anita for inclusion. "He denied it. He had grown, we could not force him. There was always concern. He fell in love with poker. That was not a game anymore, he could not stop. He was hooked. "

"I'm having now is not crying for him"

The family hoped that Joran could pick up a new life in Thailand. That did not work, Anita agrees. "He was again searched by De Vries. He still had nine months to graduate. But students and parents complained that Joran there as well in school. They were not safe. Joran was sent away. "
Since then, he wandered the globe. "We had no grip. Then again, he was sweet, other times he was looking for money. He explained a reporter from Fox News, Greta Van Susteren on to money. He invented his Natalee had sold as sex slaves. He became more of a mental case. His two younger brothers looked worried and horror to. "Ma, take away," they said. "He drags you into the abyss."
The prelude to his arrest in Peru began in February, so she feels it. "When Paul died, we gathered in Arnhem to cremate him. My two youngest sons flew in from the U.S., where they study. I came from Aruba and Joran was somewhere else. "
"Two days Joran cried. He even hung crying over the coffin. "It's my fault, Dad," he said. "I have delivered a heart attack." Then he moved in with his mother in Aruba. "For months, he said hardly anything. He laughed no more, as he always was a happy boy. He did not even play poker. Only in April and May was a bit better. He was painting the fence. "
Anita took the decision that he should be included. "I had an appointment with a Dutch hospital. The insurance had been arranged through Menzis. Two days before he was to the Netherlands, I found the note when I got home. He had gone to Peru for a poker tournament. Someone had invited him. He fled for his treatment. "
A few days before the death of Stephany in Lima he called home. "He sounded strange and hunted," says Anita. "He said he was chased. He was with a girl stopped and robbed. Two men had him pictures of Natalee show. He was very frightened and incoherent. Was it true? Or was it in his head? "
The day before his arrest she spoke to him again. "I said Joran, you are internationally sought. There is one girl dead. Where are you? "He was on his way to Chile. "He sounded scared. "A dead girl?" Then he fell silent for a moment and said: "It's not Stephany? No, not Stephany! "I said he had to say."

Target
Turned out that Joran was previously targeted by an FBI operation in Aruba. "I thought it was strange that the lawyer for the Holloway family on the island. I now believe that Joran in Peru Stephany indeed possible has done something. Maybe in a tantrum? I do not know. I am deeply saddened that a businessman Flores has lost his daughter and my son. It feels like. "
Occasionally gnaw the coincidences. "Exactly five years after Natalee disappeared? Holloway was with him. Flores businessman who held a press conference and spoke only about Natalee. But it was his own daughter. I do not sometimes. I follow everything ... But I have to stand back, save me now. "
She thinks it's time for Joran "let go".
"If only he had listened to his mother. Then, this never happened. If he were not so rushed, possibly not. It is, if, if, if ... But if he has slain Stephany, then he must bear the burden. I will visit him in his cell, I can not embrace him. But he must have a fair trial. He was mentally derailed. That has to take into consideration? "
Anita van der Sloot remains alone in Aruba. "I can not cry at Joran as to Paul, or as I'd like. I come to mourn not. I want a fund for prisoners in Peru, not only for Joran. Now everyone will hear how they are imprisoned. There should be improved, there must be an extradition treaty. Whoever commits a crime should pay. He remains my son, how bad what he did. This is all I can. I want to raise my son well. Two are doing very well, one got into trouble. My wish is that he is still human, and treated him get psychological help. "

[Jo-An]

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:






"If only he had listened to me"

Joran being arrested wasn't just a news item across the world. For his mother Anita van der Sloot (53), living in Aruba, it was a an ending. For the first time she speaks out. His mother won't be visiting Joran in his Peruvian cell. "If he did this, he has to face the consequences. I can't embrace him."
She says her son got into severe psychological distress over the past years. "His trip to Peru was a flee, to get out of being admitted to a psychiatric institution."

ORANJESTAD (Aruba), Saturday
Every son has a mother. Murder suspect Joran does as well. Anita van der Sloot found a note a couple of weeks ago: "I'm gone, don't worry". The first time she saw her son again, was when Peruvian police showed him on TV, with handcuffs.

For years on end she stood by him. "I believed Joran. Despite his many lies. I felt that he had nothing to do with Natalee Hollaway's disappearance in 2005. He left her at the beach. I still believe that."
But she also says: "He might have killed Stephany."
Over the last 6 months she lost two members of her family. In February her husband died, ex-judge Paul van der Sloot, while playing tennis. "He has been accused of helping Joran, That's not true. No one else insisted with Joran that he had to tell the truth. TV showed Paul as a caricature. But he was a kind, honest and involved man."
Anita van der Sloot, a teacher in Aruba, never looked for publicity. She avoided the press. Yes, once she accompanied Joran and Paul to a TV-show, where her son threw a glass of wine at Peter R. de Vries.
"He was nagging him, teasing him."

Desperate
Now, for just this one time, she wants to talk. Not to justify her son's actions. On the contrary. "He lied so much, we were desperate. He said to me: "Mom, I don't even know whether something I say is a lie or the truth." Joran is sick in his head, but he refused to be helped. Her son is a monster in the eyes of many. But can anyone blame her for mainly seeing him as her son? "He was a sweet kid, he loved animals and his grandmother. Cheerful, open. Somewhere along the way he lost his way. It went very slowly."
"After being arrested for Natalee's disappearance, he was traumatised. We made a huge mistake. We sent him to the Netherlands to go to school. He should have been admitted to a closed psychiatric institution, he then already needed psychiatric help. He had no rest, was being followed around."
"When he walked into Peter R. de Vries' trap, it all went downhill very fast. I saw the raw footage of the undercover sting operation. His confession was one a nice piece of montage. Joran tried to be impressive. That wasn't right. People pointed fingers at him. He acted like he didn't care. Joran acted cocky..."
She holds her fingers apart, just a small bit. "He had a small heart, even as a kid."
According to Anita, Paul blamed Joran on a regular basis. "He would say: Why do you say all these things?" Joran just shrugged and said: "I don't know, dad, it just happens." After consultation with the school in Arnhem we decided to leave the Netherlands. He could go to an affiliated business school in Bangkok, Thailand. Even back then, Joran had talks with a psychiatrist, she says. He needed treatment, but Anita says he didn't want to be admitted. "He was in denial. He was a grown-up, we couldn't force him. We were always so worried about him. He got into playing poker. But it wasn't a game anymore, he just could not stop playing. He was addicted." Joran's family hoped he could pick up his life again in Thailand. But that didn't quite work out, Anita admits. "Again De Vries looked him up. He had nine months to go until graduation. But students and parents were complaining that Joran went to school there. They thought it wasn't safe. Joran was expelled." Since then he has been roaming the world. "We had no grip on him. One moment he could be very sweet, the next he was looking for money. He extorted a reporter for Fox News, Greta van Susteren, for money. He made up a story about selling Natalee as a sex slave. More and more he became a psychiatric case. His two younger brothers were worried and appalled. "Mom, step away from this," they said. "He's dragging you with him into this abyss."
The road leading up to his arrest in Peru, started in February, she feels. "When Paul died, we all came together in Arnhem for his cremation. My two youngest sons flew in from the US, where they go to college. I came from Aruba and Joran came from somewhere else."
"Joran cried for two days. He even threw himself over the coffin. 'It's all my fault, daddy,' he said. 'I caused you to have this heart attack'." After that he moved in with Anita in Aruba. "For months he didn't speak. He didn't laugh, despite the fact that he has always been a cheerful boy. He even stopped playing poker. It wasn't until April, May when he started to feel a bit better. He started painting the fence."
Anita then decided he should be admitted. "I made an appointment with a Dutch clinic. The insurance had been taken care of. Two days before he was supposed to go to the Netherlands, I found that note when I came home. He had left for Peru for a poker tournament. Someone had invited him. He was running away from his treatment." A couple of days before Stephany's death in Lima, he called home. "He sounded weird and agitated," Anita says. "He said he was being followed. Together with a girl he had been robbed. Two men had shown him pictures of Natalee. He was very scared and incoherent. Was it true? Or was it all in his head?"
The day before his arrest she spoke to him again. "I said: Joran, there is an international warrant for your arrest. There's a dead girl. Where are you?" He was on his way to Chile. "He sounded really frightened. 'A girl is dead?' Then he went silent and said: 'It isn't Stephany, is it? No, not Stephany!' I said he had to turn himself in."

Target
It then became clear that Joran had been a target for an FBI-operation in Aruba. "I thought it was strange that the attorney for the Holloways was on the island. I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."
Now and then she's bothered by all the coincidences. "Exactly five years after Natalees disappearance? The Holloways were working Joran. That businessman Flores held a press conference and only spoke about Natalee. But it was supposed to be about his own daughter. Sometimes I just don't know anymore... I follow everything. But I need to take my distance now, salvage myself." She thinks it's time to let Joran go. "If only he had listened to his mother. Then this would've never happened. If he hadn't been chased like he has, maybe neither. It is: if, if, if... But if he really killed Stephany, he has to carry that burden. I will not visit him in his cell, I can't embrace him. But he does deserve a fair trial. He is derailed psychiatrically. That should be considered, shouldn't it?"
Anita van der Sloot stays behind, alone, in Aruba. "I can't cry over Joran like I cried over Paul, or like I'd want to. I don't have time to grieve. I want to set up a fund for prisoners in Peru, not just for Joran. Now is the time, now everybody hears about their conditions. That has to improve, there needs to be an extradition treaty. Who commits a crime, has to suffer the consequences. He will still be my son, no matter how bad the thing he has done is. This is the only thing I can do now. I've always wanted to raise my sons well. Two of them are doing great, one got into trouble. My wish is that he will be treated humanely and that he get psychological help."

[Jo-An]

Oh I'm sorry Buckeye!
I hadn't seen you already posted the interview.
I hadn't refreshed the page and meanwhile had been translating the interview myself...

[EURobert]

"...  I felt that he had nothing to do with Natalee Hollaway's disappearance in 2005. He left her at the beach. I still believe that. ..."

"... once she accompanied Joran and Paul to a TV-show, where her son threw a glass of wine at Peter R. de Vries.
"He was nagging him, teasing him." ..."

She is - and probably has been always, way to protective to her little prince.

Wake up Anita! He's a serial killer!!! He has murdered at least two young women IN COLD BLOOD!!!

[Jo-An]

Yes, she's still pretty much in denial, although there are a few tiny rays of hope here and there.
But the thing is: you can't force someone to being admitted to a psych. institution in the Netherlands.
So the question is; did he really want to seek help?
Reading Anita's story my answer is still: NO.

[Jonathan45]

@msmarple ---- to your reply 278 [page 14] Natalee Case Discussion 840

My answer to your question: Dead Daddy P was not at home the night Natalee died.
There was one female witness who saw Paulus car returning to Montanja 19 at around 4.00am that night, but she couldn't recognize who was driving.

My 'bike' scenario still stands. Dead Daddy P stated he was asleep between 11.00pm and 6.00am. To cover up his real alibi. Ask the former hotelmanager and close friend from the Marriott.