Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[Sharon/Tx]

Good morning Monkeys and thank you for all of the latest info on Urine!  A friend in Peru sent us this translated newspaper article.  I hope this link works.  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://peru21.pe/noticia/491210/van-der-sloot-no-ira-penal-lurigancho&rurl=translate.google.com

[JA]

Anita is in denial about Natalee's death/murder.  For her to admit it, she would also have to accept the fact that Paulus was most likely involved.  She would also have to admit that the Aruban government assisted in a coverup.  Right now she knows nothing is happening with the Natalee Holloway case so she is safe actignt his way with publically giving an interview with these comments.

On the other hand, she knows Joran is guilty of Stephany's death.  She knows he is a gambling addict etc. etc.  She knows what happens to him is now out of her hands.  The only hope she has for a lighter sentence is to try to make people believe that he is mentally ill.  Yes, he is mentally ill to a certain extent, but not that he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, not that he isn't in control of his decisions.

Regardless of how indulgent Anita was with Joran growing up, as well as how she turned her head to Paulus' actions she is his mother.  Yes, she was/is part of the problem, it must be hard for a family knowing a child is evil and having to turn away.  It happens all the time. I can't imagine having a family member who comitted an evil crime and having to just walk away. 

[NewfieMonkey]

Anita Anita Anita ... no wonder you didn't want to give an interview to the US media.  She wanted to do a hatchet job on Beth.  Took her how many days to come up with the whole 'he was two days away from checking into a mental hospital' story.  I don't buy it.  No way, no how was that cocky murdering ass going to check himself in anywhere!  JMO of course ... but not buying it.  Her entire interview is slanted to 'JDVS was driven to this by Beth and deVries' ...

Her son may have killed Stephany ... but it wasn't his fault .. he was driven to it ... yadda yadda ...

What was it JVDS said ... my mother is a real liar ... or something to that effect.  Blech!!

[Tylergal]

OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennesse.

ROFLOL!!!

I had to google.  I do think Joran was using them on himself, seriously.

It was to make him 'fit' sotaspeak.  Otherwise, there was nothing in it for his partner.

Ah, hah.  I am beginning to understand.  I was just confused about what you do with them.  I thought it might be something like the gerbil deal.  Rolling my eyes at my naivete.

[Tylergal]

She doesn't rule out that he migt have killed Stephany Flores. Shortly before her death and during his flee she was in contact with Joran, and he sounded very paranoid. He felt like he was being "followed and watched".

WTF.  I bet he did feel like he was being followed and watched.  He had killed Stephany Flores. 

Anita says that Joran acted mentally ill.  I noticed how she and Paulus (and she in particular) endorsed that behavior.  When he was released from jail or interviewed on TV, they were all smiles, patting him on the back, blaming everyone but themselves and Joran for his reckless behavior and acting with disdain toward Beth and the whole family, the justice system and portraying such arrogance, insisting everyone on the island flack for them, being so disconnected from reality, building air castles and lying and she was particularly the enabler. 

She could not bear to think that her name would be spoiled if her son were to admit to what he had done, because she knows full well she is at fault. She has spawned that boy and trained him to her own sense of entitlement.  The very idea that she would even contemplate contacting Queen Bx concerning a possible extradition or maltreatment with the Peruvian justice system further instills in Joran that he should receive special treatment for his criminal behavior.  She feels that they are owed and they can do anything and not be held responsible, and that is Joran's downfall and hers. 

She must, at night in her bed alone, feel some guilt for what she has done to her family.  No doubt she was raised this way and it is in her DNA, and she has just passed it on along. 

[mojo]

depending on the timing of the alleged phone call (which can be verified by authorities) she could be dropping him in the soup. this sounds exactly like the nonsense he told the chilean cops. he had to back off of it due to all the video surveillance...which leaves me thinking ---- was he setting the stage for an alibi when he murdered stephany??

[Blonde]

justinsmama
Scared Monkey

He was in counseling for his aggression, was aggressive toward his brothers to the point that he was moved into his own structure, and killed a dog. All long before May 30, 2005. Anita and Paulus should have had him locked away long ago.

BETH: Well, when I hear that the search is continuing for Natalee of course that is something that Jug and her father and I so desperately hope continues. One thing that really concerns me though is the statements that they have from Joran and also there has been a taped confession from Deepak, and they are clearly stating how Natalee is coming in and out of consciousness. Joran has already admitted to having sex with Natalee at his home at 1:40 am. Why, though, they were not brought charges against for rape I just don’t understand

[Jo-An]

Just watched 20/20 with Melody.

Melody - the love of Joran's life.
Melody shares birthday with Natalee -> Natalee ends up dead
Melody looks somewhat like Stephany -> Stephany ends up dead

Coincidence?
I think not.
Sounds to me like he never really got over Melody and subconsciously still "loved" her.

Or am I being paranoid?

[Jo-An]

From Tripadvisor site:


“I will not be sleeping here anymore”
Hotel Tac Sac

Joran_Sloot   1 contribution
Lima
16 Jun 2010 | Trip type: Solo travel 

1person found this review helpful

Stayed here some nights in May 2010 while playing poker in a nearby casino. Hotel staff is friendly. The room is cheap, around 20 us$. It also looks cheap. The hotel is dirty. The staff is really bad. My room was not cleaned for several days and I did not even hang a label of "do not disturb". Coffee and cake across the street is nice. Taxi rides are a complete rip off in this country. Hotel makes no problem bringing women to your room (it's a shabby place). Free internet turns out to be expensive. I will not be sleeping here anymore.

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowUserReviews-g294316-d1648892-r67678753-Hotel_Tac_Sac-Lima.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT

ROFL!!!

[San]

Knowing they have Joran 6 ways to Sunday, Anita goes for the insanity defense.

Sorry, Anita, he fled and died his hair orange like yours to evade.  Crazy people don't know right from wrong and so don't know to do that.

Exactly Anna.  Isn't this what Van der Straaten wanted to do when Joran murdered Natalee.

Yes I did say murderer Anita because that is just what your son is.  He is a born killer.


Anita says: She also asked Melody for her son to pray. "He's not a monster as everybody thinks. He is traumatized, depressed and addicted, but not a murderer.''


He was all these things before he met Natalee.  The only difference this time is that he got caught.

[Bearlyhere]

OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennesse.

ROFLOL!!!

I had to google.  I do think Joran was using them on himself, seriously.

It was to make him 'fit' sotaspeak.  Otherwise, there was nothing in it for his partner.

Ah, hah.  I am beginning to understand.  I was just confused about what you do with them.  I thought it might be something like the gerbil deal.  Rolling my eyes at my naivete.

Yes, that too.  They also have a website and are called Ben Wa Balls, they can be used for Kegel exercises, too.

[SunnyinTX]

John Ludwick  Live on Saturday night @10pm I am going to be on Fox News "Geraldo At Large". Tune in.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000463930273&ref=ts

Good Morning Monks and Guests.  thanks to all who watched 20/20....

Ludwick is sure enjoying his 15 minutes isn't he?  FREAK!!

[nonesuche]

Good morning Monkeys and thank you for all of the latest info on Urine!  A friend in Peru sent us this translated newspaper article.  I hope this link works.  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://peru21.pe/noticia/491210/van-der-sloot-no-ira-penal-lurigancho&rurl=translate.google.com

Thanks Sharon for posting this with the translation.

This article states Joran met Stephany on Friday, the 28th and they agreed to meet on the 30th. If that is true then I think this will support a measure of premeditation, and certainly enough time for Joran to ask around the casino about her or google and learn she might be a viable source for money.

As for Anita's chest beating in that article, IF she was truly committed to getting Joran psychiatric help then why didn't she get godfather Stratten to help????? What about Renfro, her dear, dear friend who posted on his facebook her wistful goodbye. Why weren't they helping with this intervention?

She still doesn't believe he killed Natalee, well by continuing to deny it, just makes me think Paulus was even more involved !!!

Cry me a river Anita, I do not feel sorry for this mother who had warning after warning after warning sign long before..........

[SunnyinTX]

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OMG!! I asked at work about those balls today! <monkey SHOCK> !  I thought we'd have to do the Heimlich maneuver on my Nurse Practitioner! He inhaled the pickle he was eating, and was laughing so hard, tears were streaming down his face!!

I just don't think they have those in Tennessee.

ROTFLMAO....CBB, coffee just spurted out my nose!!!

[SunnyinTX]

O/T Shop Note:

I'm off to get rid of my signature line gif. Everyone on this thread knows that I would love nothing more than to make Holiday or seasonal avatars for you all. I've had a really hard time staying on the forum today, as many of you have, and I don't want to run any risk of contributing to the problem for posters. When the new server is in, I'll have a thread in the Lounge for anyone who wants an avatar, and for the Natalee posters who have grown accustomed to delivery here, I'll do that as well.

OK, end of "shop talk". Thanks!

CBB...thanks for all you do for us... SMOOCHIES

[terryd270]

So has Joran gotten his wakeup call from the front desk yet?  I guess him and his cellmate are bonding, I assume he will has to be careful when he is fending off Big Felix in the showers. Joran is now living with the scum of the world..I'm sure that a large number of those inmates have killed fellow and som may be more of a psychopath then Joran..Think about it, Joran is an addict and addicts need stimulation and he is in closed-off world designed to isolate inmates from social and environmental stimulate, with the ultimate purpose of causing mental illness..  So really he is in hell.. I don't think he will be getting lobster tail with a fine Bordeaux with his meals..  I'm sure he will have some skin conditions, I mean his face looks like its prone to infection anyway and now allowed a shower once a week in spite of no AC in their cells..I assume he needs to be careful about eating rotten food, not the best of tolets in that cell and his cellmates might not appreciate if he isn't careful.. I'm sure he has to be careful with the rats that most prison's are infested with.. So foul cells, systematic rate, humiliation of when his Mother visit, which I believe will be not that many times.. Crude health care, drug dealing by guards. Joran will be beaten for sure, no doubt about it.. So those broom sticks that they use for weight training, I would be scared of what else they could be use for.. So enjoy your stay Joran, I'm sure in a few months no one will know whatever happen to you..I'm sure you won't be checking out of this hotel..

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Jo-An

Janet

[can]

Part one of the interview - the frontpage of De Telegraaf

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - June 19th 2010




Joran's mother breaks silence
"[/size]My son is sick in his head"

ORANJESTAD (Aruba) - Saturday
by special reporters Johan van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes

The Mother of Joran, Anita van der Sloot, breaks the silence after many years. She says her son got into heavy psychological trouble.
Anita van der Sloot tells her story today exclusively in De Telegraaf. She said yes to a meeting with reporters, because she finds the image of Joran as "a monster" doesn't tell the whole story.
She doesn't rule out that he migt have killed Stephany Flores. Shortly before her death and during his flee she was in contact with Joran, and he sounded very paranoid. He felt like he was being "followed and watched".
According to her Joran was in heavy psychological distress after his father died. She says he blamed himself for his early death.

In the interview with De Telegraaf she says that Joran left for Peru, to escape from being admitted to a closed section of a psychiatric clinic.
"He had agreed to being admitted. But two days before he was supposed to leave for the Netherlands, he left the house."
The only thing she found, was a note that she shouldn't worry.
The director of Castro Castro yesterday tried to convince Joran van der Sloot to have an interview with CNN about the "excellent conditions in his cell" and him being treated well.
When Joran said no, he was taken out of his cell and reporters were given access to his cell. They were allowed to take pictures and shoot videos. The director indicated that Joran has a real bed in his cell with a mattress, running water, a towel and a bible to read from. His toilet is a hole in the ground.
Van der Sloot for now has the privilege of the heavily guarded cell, close to the director's office. This is a precaution, so that no one can cause him any harm.
Monday he has a court appearance.

Thanks Jo-An.
Anita was in contact with Joran "during his flee" - good ole behind the scenes Anita. Still trying to save her son from the consequences of his actions.
She was busy advising her son during his escape to Chile. Sick in the head, the new talking point we shall hear over and over and over. 
If, and that's a big if, Joran was to check into a closed section of a clinic prior to leaving Aruba, it was to ameliorate his problems with extortion/fraud.  Sick in the head was used by a cousin in the Netherlands,
Joran said he was sick in the head when examined by a doctor in Castro, Castro.  We thought maybe it translated to headache. 
Anita has put all on notice.  Sick in the head - plan to hear it often.

A cold blooded sociopath/predator who takes what he wants when he wants it, is too sensitive a term for Anita.  It leaves the sporter accountable.

Justice for Natalee and Stefany. 

[Jo-An]

Thank you Jo-An

Janet

I also posted both pieces in the articles only thread, but you probably already saw that.

[SunnyinTX]

Thanks to Jo-An and Buckeye for posting anita's interview....going to have to reread it a couple more times