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« Reply #900 on: June 19, 2010, 07:57:54 PM »

OMG

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http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/18842-accidente-den-white-house-na-moko.html

Accidente den White House na Moko      Print       E-mail
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Un cliente cu a bay haci amor den White House Apartments situa na Moko 30 a haye den un accidente. No den camber, sino pafor ora cu ela bay reverse su auto. Den e maniobra e homber a dal den porta di e apartament. E empleada a bay atende cune riba e desgracia aki pero e homber a reacciona masha agresivo. Cu palabranan insultante el a menasa e empleada pa e habri e porta na bon sino e lo a basha e porta abou. Polisnan a tuma keho di e apartament y a keda di bay investiga e caso pa por pone e cliente paga pa e daño cometi. E motibo dicon e cliente a sali cu tanto rabia asina no ta conoci.


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accidente in white house at moko

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 one cliente cu owing to bay haci affection in white house apartments situa at moko 30 owing to haye in one accidente. not in camber, but abroad hour cu ela bay reverse her car. in the maniobra he owing to strike in door by the apartament. the empleada owing to bay atende cune on the desgracia here but he owing to reacciona very aggressive. cu words insultante past owing to menasa the empleada for her open the door at good but the will owing to pour the door below. polisnan did take complaint by the apartament y owing to remain by bay investiga the caso before can laydown the cliente pay for her damage cometi. the motibo dicon the cliente owing to depart cu tanto angry so do not conoci. album.jpg come across

Sorry Klaas, was away from the computer for a while...

I saw this earlier, I think it's saying the "client" ran into the door of the apartment with his car when he was leaving, and when the attendant came to see what was going on he was aggressive towards them and left the scene.

But there may have been more to it...I didn't quite understand this part...

cu words insultante past owing to menasa the empleada for her open the door at good but the will owing to pour the door below.




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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #901 on: June 19, 2010, 07:58:38 PM »

So as of June 4th 2005, the word was they took Natalee up to the LIGHTHOUSE (right near the rocks) and had sex with her. 

I still say that is what they did.  They raped Natalee or tried to and she ran.  Joran flew into a rage and killed her near the rocks.  What he/they did with her body after I don't know but I believe that rock area was a crime scene.


Was the shallow grave that Tim Miller/TX Equusearch found near the Lighthouse/Painted Rock area? 

I'm thinking that it was but I really don't remember the location as much as the dogs hitting on it and Tim's opinion that she had been there in that shallow grave for a short time before being moved.


NO, that was at the other end of the island, closer to Arikok

Thanks, Klaas!
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« Reply #902 on: June 19, 2010, 08:00:42 PM »

ANITA VAN DER SLOTH:

"If only he had listened to his mother. Then this never would have happened. If he hadn't been so persecuted, maybe not either. It's: 'if, if if…' But if he killed Stephany, then he will have to carry the burden of that," she said. "I will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him. But he should get a fair trial. He is psychologically disturbed. That has to count for something, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloots-mother-son-stephany-flores/story?id=10961460&page=2

She described her son as a loving boy, but said that something happened to him as he grew up.

"He was a sweet kid, who loved animals and his grandma. Happy, open," she said. "He lost his way along the way. It was gradual.


"After he was arrested for Natalee's disappearance, he was traumatized," the paper quoted her as saying. "We made a big mistake then. We sent him to the Netherlands to study. He should have gone to a closed clinic, he needed psychological help even back then. He wasn't getting any rest, he was being persecuted."
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« Reply #903 on: June 19, 2010, 08:01:22 PM »

TM - it's the White House Apartments (Capslock theory #1 or 2) that I was referring to.  Just that those apartments are mentioned.
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« Reply #904 on: June 19, 2010, 08:02:35 PM »

It is always Natalee`s fault, Anita.

You`re a sad, SAD woman. Sad

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« Reply #905 on: June 19, 2010, 08:02:45 PM »

Sorry, I had to look up a soccer score. Deperate ppl are out of range.
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The article that I posted somewhere in the many tags says that Joran is being charged with simple theft also. Mr. Flores says that they do not have the complete story as they have not opened the laptop and they have not talked to a new friend that Joran made in the casino the night that he met Stephany. Another poker player, named Erik. The family wants him charged high. Just from all that I have read, I think he was interested in Stephany because she had money and won big in the casino on May 28. If he knew she came from a family that had money, I think it could have been a robbery motive to begin with. We only have his word for the FB threat and if they were playing on line, whose money was used for credit ??   
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« Reply #906 on: June 19, 2010, 08:07:11 PM »

TM - it's the White House Apartments (Capslock theory #1 or 2) that I was referring to.  Just that those apartments are mentioned.

From: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
To: daveholloway@xxxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:18:15 -0500

Hi Dave,
 
To get Natalee Body you have to come to Aruba and arrange for some large Pumps that can drain a small pond. It has an odd shape.
 
 
I have decipher the Shango Riddle and the outcome of the Riddle points out the cover-up and also where the body was deposit in Aruba.
 
Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am ******* NAT STORY *******
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path (Make a Straight Line
to the house of Rave, (Night Club Spice – Now Closed)
while of gold bricks ( The Bank – Go to The Bank, there is two banks, The Aruba Bank and Carribean Bank)
the road is not paved, (Go on the dirt road, This only is is accessible via the Aruba Bank)
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA (Pharmacy) (Natalee body was deposit  behind the pharmacy in Noord and it is call the Monserat Body of water)
 
Load this attached Google earth File to see the place.
See my Google Earth Map points to see where the Shango is pointing to. My Report is also pointing the the same place. I did send my report to FBI in Brimingham Field office. but they have done noting to it.
My Report come with the same conclusion based on facts and conditions that have to be met so that the question is solid 'True' in a truth condition.
The Sloot's error was 'The Time' first he said that he pickup Joran at 4:00 am at Mcdonald and then switch back to 11:00 pm. An Event  can not be in the Future and also In The Past. This will create a time paradox and where there is time paradox one have to lie to cover it up. The Other paradox is the 'sneaker' You can not be without sneaker at 4:00 am while he says he left it on the beach.
I did write my Report use the 'AND Logic' theory to test one simple string of connected AND events question. The question string
 
'Where would he hide a dead body So that nobody will find it And  Not been seen And  At the same time lose one of his shoes And Then walk on one shoe to Mc Donald’s And Where His Dad pick him up at 4:00 am'

 
Dave, The Shango report also show a cover-up that is at the heart of The Dutch Court System. I will be difficult to start proceedings without a plan. I will be capslocwizard for now even though my report has my real name on it. I want leave it confidential for now.
 
Yours Truly,
 
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Extract from my report
Test 3:   The murky Pool of Monserat. – Behind the Soccer field.
This area is possible because it is behind the soccer field of Deportivo Nacional.  It is accessible from the soccer field. This area is dark. Also you are not on the main road with a dead body. But not too far from home either but closer to Mc Donald’s.
If they decided after running around to dump the body into murky pool of Monesrat, they could have done the following:
a)    Look if anyone can see us
b)   Carry the body to the area
c)    Lift the body (extra Weight)
d)   Move into the water edges
e)    Feet will sink
f)     Drop the body in the water
g)   Try to pull feet out of the water
h)   Joran loses a sneaker
i)     Going separate ways from the dumping scene to create different alibi.
RESULTS:
Examining points a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i all is plausible. (True condition)
Point (a) nobody will see you when go over there it is quite secluded and dark.
Point (b) it is right there no even 5 meters from where you park your car
Point (c) will give you extra weight
Point (d) if you want to make sure nobody will ever find the body; you have to walk deeper into the water.
Point (e) the extra weight and the action of going deeper into the water   will make sure that your feet will sink into the mud.
Points (f) drop her into the deep end and nobody will find her because nobody is going to look for her over there.
Point (g) the process of the going into the deep end, Joran feet get stuck into the mud.
Point (h) by the simple action to turn around to walk back out of the water he lost his shoes.
Point (j) when they split up, their action leaves Joran walking toward his father who is at the Radisson Casino. He could not have walk back home because it is too far. And walking back means crossing the Noord Police station. The distance from the soccer field to Mcdonlad;s is only 15 min walking.
He just committed a crime and his instinct will not let him do this. So he decided to call his dad and started to walk without his sneakers towards him. His dad walks out of the casino, jumps into his car and at the traffic light is where he saw Joran walking near the McDonalds around 4:00 a.m. with a shoe missing. From there they drove home.
The Kalpoe’s brothers at the spilt up, Went behind the Racquet Club and sit and wonder what they just did. It is here that other witnesses say that they saw his car parked near the area.
If they did not split up, they could have drove Joran back home.
Option 2- Hide the body in a temporary place, then to get rid of the body on May 31, 2005 around 2:30 am with the following conditions: Kalpoe’s car left behind at Joran’s home and Joran car now with the dead body in it.
Option -2 Will leaves Joran always with a car and never at foot to walk alone to McDonald’s. And the date is May, 31, 2005

Test case Observation:
All 3 test cases show the possible places that can be use to dispose of a body.
Test 1 was invalided due to he could always walk home after they separate to create different alibi.
Test 2 was Invalided due to he could have walk across the street to the Radisson hotel parking lot and there he would have been waiting for his father after they separate to create different alibi.
Test 3 shows clearly where he was coming from and where his dad picks him up. It shows also that the area in question is dark were no body can see you. The water over there is muddy where one can lose a shoe. Also it forms a clear walking path toward the Mc Donald’s or to the Radisson Casino.

All three Test show also that if they did not went their separate ways they could have driven Joran back Home where he could have put on another shoe.
The action to go separate way has forced them to create all kinds of semi true stories that looks plausible but if the Investigators have spend the time to look the practice on what normal people do when they want to have a quickie they would have seen that their stories cannot be true.
Other observation is that since they created so many stories to hide the place from being find is because that they could not retrieved the body from that area. So I believe that the body is still in the water pond of Monserat.
Other observation is that on May 31, 2005 the Sloot’s went back to make sure that the body cannot be found. If option – 2 was chosen from the beginning, this would Joran always with his car and no need to walk
Other observation is that they could not have use Joran’s car to go to the Whitehouse because it is an open Jeep. There is no way to hide more people in the car.
Conclusion and My Opinion
To deviate from the true crime area they made all plausible, but not so true stories.
With Google Earth I was able to pin-point the possible location where Joran could have lost a shoe and also how far it is from the Whitehouse apartment, how far it is from his house if he needed to walk back and also keeping an eye on the time to do the job.
The story about dumping the body on the beach cannot be true because you have already a dead body on your hand and you cannot do that. The chance to be seen with a dead body is too high and risky.
Finding someone to help you to dump it in the ocean means more people involved and the chance to be snitch on will increase and the chance to be seen by the coast guard is too high. Also the body will float back if not tied down on the bottom floor of the sea. This requires a more depth knowledge of buoyancy and understanding of the ocean currents of Aruba and knowing that when the wind turn even sunken boats come back to shore. So this is not possible.
The talk about putting the body in a crab cage is also flaws. In Aruba they do not use these big cages and their fishing techniques are with lines and rods.
Dumping the body in a landfill is possible and there is only one open land fill in the vicinity of Joran’s home. Plausible? yes but loosing the shoe there is also plausible but then you are left walking bare feet on metals, Cactus, boxes, broken glasses and God knows what, etc. Try to go to a land fill with just slippers and you can see that it is very difficult to walk on debris of rubbish and in the dark more it will be very difficult. Sniffing dog would have found her already. Note: a dog cannot sniff in waters.
 
Other issue is that he could not have been driving on the main roads because the chance to be stop by cops in those hours of the morning is quite possible. One Instinct will be to drive on the back roads.
 
Conclusion:
 
It the girl died on them, the only logic solution was for them to call the police and explain to the police that she died on them while partying but no… They decided to dispose of the body. After all what has happened, Joran’s dad advice was to dispose of the body. And knowing that his dad is a Judge, Joran would have follows the dad’s advice knowingly all the implication that will come from his careless actions.
 
Joran would have asked his Dad for advice and I do believe the wrong advice was given to protect the son that was going to study in the Netherlands.
 
Where to look for the Body:
 
The only way the body can be found is to search for the shoes round the edges for the murky pools of Monserat in Aruba, and when the sneaker is found, the body will be there also. Drain this body of water and see what is in there
 
Need some someting to validate this statement (The Shango Riddle decypher code).
 
 
The Dad statement:
 
The reason they got away is that there is not a body to link with the presumed crime case. The father of Joran stated clearly that if there is NOT A BODY there will be NO CASE.
 
And so, to make the above statement true, the perps must have to make sure that the body cannot be found, They created fictional stories to cover their track, but they forgot one thing, a Body will be decompose slowly in mud and it will be found with time.
 
How did they could accomplish that on May 31, 2005
 
Note:            02.  ALBERTO GROENEVELD AND CLAUDIO ELDRIDGE – DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

At 2:30 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 .... Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldrige observed Deepak Kalpoe's vehicle inside the fence of the Van der Sloot property.  These men told Natalee’s family that they climbed the fence and recording the tag (license) number.

We know that Alberto and Claudio were supposed to be with Beth/Jug and Charles Croes trying to locate Joran in the early morning hours of 5/31.  That's when they supposidly saw the Kalpoe car there.
Assume that they decide on that date, the 31st of May to make sure that nobody will find the body. They must have gone back to the dumping area in the night. This action will account for the time that Joran and Kalpoe was missing on the 31st of May where Kalpoe left his car at Joran’s home.
 
This is plausible since they have to do it at night to double check that the area where they dumped the body is the perfect area and to make sure the body did not come back to float.
 
What this time tells us is that since it is almost the same time as of the may 30 and nobody has seen anything; they decided to use the same time again to go to the area to double check on the body.
 
Other factor to count that late hour is that in the day time they cannot go to the area because the chances to be seen near the field while the field being is used and the area is occupied with traffic will expose them and is risky.
 
On the date may 31 around 2:30 or time, they either make it sure she is secured in the deep end or to pick her up and to be buried some other place.
 
Looking at the place, I do not think they are going to pick her up in the night either. You need scuba equipment to do it and light, it is plausible, but to secure it, it’s more likely, to put more debris on top of the body in the water where she was dumped.

 
My Note: That area is full of these big black Ants called Bashaka in Papiamento. I went to see it for myself and it is plausible that the Kalpoe’s contaminated his car with Ants from that area.
Note:        05.  NEIGHBOUR - WASHING/CLEANING DEEPAK'S VEHICLE

Shortly after 3:00 AM on the morning of May 31, 2005 Deepak Kalpoe was observed by a neighbor cleaning his vehicle.  'Ants' were the reason given by Deepak.
My Note: The question which was asked “if Joran got help from kalpoe” and the answer is YES, The area is full of Ants and he also must has got mud in the car on May 31, 2005.

What Next for 2008:
Ask Aruba to search the edged of the murky water reservoirs of Monserat or pump the water out and where you find the sneakers in the mud, you will also find the body of Natalee.
 
For what I have observed about this body of water, it is plausible that the body is still in the body of water. The water is so murky and still water. It has a deep end with a ridge in the middle of the pond that will prevent the body to move out.
 
 
Also note that the lines of events make a straight line to and from his house. And that is the most likely route because he was familiar with the area.
 
 
When someone is scare or in panic, you do not go to the hotels with a dead body. Nature instinct will say let’s go and get help and the advice he got (from his father who is a Judge) was to dispose of the body and he (the father) will take care of the legal ramification.
 
 
Please review and let me know what you think of this research.
This report is send to the following persons and authorities:
 
A)   Beth Twitty. – The FBI should forward it to Beth Twitty
B)   The FBI Special Agent Carmen S. Adams – Birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
 
 
About Me:
Name: Rudolf H. Vrolijk
Address: Shiribana 6, Aruba
Email: ((edit personal email))
Email: capslockwizard@hotmail.com
Phone: 297-746-7000
 
 


So in the last couple days we have had police activity in both the Monserat area and also the Whitehouse Apartments.  Just thought it odd....    (insert freaky smiley)
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« Reply #907 on: June 19, 2010, 08:13:40 PM »

This is the pond or dump behind the van der Sloot house.




Was this pond ever checked?


Blonde if no one else has answered. I think this is the pond that Tim and his people tried to search, but it was too full of trash and the people watching them threw rocks at them.
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« Reply #908 on: June 19, 2010, 08:16:42 PM »

Ted Koppel's son died (May 31) - Just yesterday, June 18, the NYC Medical Examiner ruled that he died of an overdose.

"The New York City medical examiner's office said on Friday that 40-year-old Andrew Koppel died from a combination of alcohol, heroin, cocaine, painkillers and Levamisole, a druliveg used to cut other drugs."

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2010/06/19/koppel-overdose-accidental-son.html#ixzz0rL9yttH4

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My point is posting these is that Peru might only now be getting toxology reports back. I have read that it takes at least 3 weeks and usually longer. I think part of the problem is that they have to run so many tests.

And also my point is that if Stephany was drugged ...

Toxicology reports can be done quite fast.  It has to be this way in order to treat drug overdoses, etc.  Some people want more refined tests, meaning determining as near the exact amount, time of ingestion, etc.
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« Reply #909 on: June 19, 2010, 08:17:56 PM »

I forgot to add in my post above re. tox reports - I hope the police in Peru are testing the drinks left in the room (I think there was some soda). Even residue is testable.

It has occurred to me that he may have drugged whatever Steph was drinking, but she didn't drink much of it.

It was reported that some of her wounds were defensive; clearly she had time to fight back.

I remember hearing about the soda left in the room.

Also in the vehicle, one diet and one regular coke containers.
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« Reply #910 on: June 19, 2010, 08:18:33 PM »

This is the pond or dump behind the van der Sloot house.




Was this pond ever checked?


Blonde if no one else has answered. I think this is the pond that Tim and his people tried to search, but it was too full of trash and the people watching them threw rocks at them.

If this is the one I am thinking of it was Dutch media that was throwing rocks at them.  I remember thinking WTH? 
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« Reply #911 on: June 19, 2010, 08:21:01 PM »

Remember Hans Mos said that he had enough evidence to charge the Kalpoes with
body disposal, but that only carried a six month sentence, so it wasn't worth his time.

Where did the Kalpoes dispose of that body?
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« Reply #912 on: June 19, 2010, 08:21:35 PM »

So as of June 4th 2005, the word was they took Natalee up to the LIGHTHOUSE (right near the rocks) and had sex with her. 

I still say that is what they did.  They raped Natalee or tried to and she ran.  Joran flew into a rage and killed her near the rocks.  What he/they did with her body after I don't know but I believe that rock area was a crime scene.

Some of Kalpoe testimony seems to lead to that conclusion as well and was it not around June 10 that the wild goose chase to the Light house after a confession soon withdrawn by a madman and his parents took place
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« Reply #913 on: June 19, 2010, 08:21:56 PM »

Hi Monkeys! I've been reading the posts from the last several pages and thought I'd add my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.

IN MY OPINION:

Joran broke Stephany's neck when he "Grabbed her by the neck and squeezed for a minute." Because she still breathed, he then suffocated her with his shirt.

The coincidence of Stephany's murder occurring on the anniversary of Natalee's death, is no coincidence. Agitated by knowledge (from ALE tip) about the extortion sting, Joran fled Aruba and stewed on how Natalee had ruined his life. He had mentioned the 5 year anniversary and was aware of it's approach. I believe he intended and planned to murder another girl on that date, and chose Stephany because of the added perk of the money he saw she had. After all, Natalee and Beth were the reason he didn't have his own money tree, and the reason girls were more difficult to pick up, and the whole Natalee mess had just caused him to once again be "trapped" and be on the run. I believe he was seething with anger, and intended to show the FBI, Beth, and the world that they had no power over him and could not stop him from doing anything.

I believe that just as Van der Stratten initially proposed admission to a mental facility as an acceptable way to handle Joran's murder of Natalee, Anita scrambled to set up an admission in the wake of learning about the extortion sting. She hoped to tamper the coming charges by his admission to a mental facility and use her "strings" to lessen the consequences. Joran didn't have Paulus to talk him through what was smart and to go along with the plan. Joran was in "strike out" mode. Joran's encounter with Beth comes to mind when she told him she wanted her daughter back. His demeanor was defiant and angry, and that came through even with Paulus at the reins.

I believe Stephany suffered Joran's explosion.

I agree with almost everything you've said CBB. 
An expert on NG said it takes great strength and time for a neck in someone as young as Stefany to break.  The bones the cervical spine are so pliable.
At any moment from the first punch he could have chosen to stop. 

Anyway, I have a problem with a plan to kill on the 5th anniversary date.  I really do.  Where was the organization?   Why would he choose Stefany, knowing he would be seen with her on casino tapes? 
I believe he wanted Stefany sexually, and he wanted her money and when she resisted he killed her and ran in an attempt to save himself.

Joran could have chosen someone else to kill.  A lady of the night perhaps.  Someone who would not be missed right away, if his intention was to kill on the 30th May.

with respect and imho.


Joran is a legend in his own mind.

He intended a softer kill and disappearing the body.  He intended to put some time between their discovery of his involvement and reviewing of the tapes so that they would be erased before the evidence was retrieved.

Joran thinks he's a more organized killer than he really is...

He sure is a legend in his own mind. 
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« Reply #914 on: June 19, 2010, 08:22:57 PM »

I agree it is freaky Klaas!

BBL, taking DH out to eat a huge steak for Father's Day!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #915 on: June 19, 2010, 08:26:26 PM »

I believe Joran had some vague idea that he would hide Stephany's remains in a suitcase that he could carry out to her car and take to the sea.  But in order to walk through the lobby of the hotel, he would need to pay his bill and at least a few days ahead.

It was only after killing her that Joran discovered she did not have enough money for him to do that and buy a ticket back to Aruba or wherever he wanted to go.  He also saw police near the airport.

Joran did have some disorganized thought to concealing his crime and hiding the remains.  He just couldn't get it together.

I also think he had delusions of getting away the very same way he did in Aruba and made his kill as close to that one as possible partly for spite and partly because of his impulsiveness.

Totally premeditated all the way--just too bungling to pull it off.  He had to have thought of that suitcase at some point because he talked about it in his confession.

Who knows--Joran is a meglomaniac and may have even had delusions of extorting Stephany's family for years to come the way he has Natalee's.

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That's my thinking, too, Anna.  He had taken Beth for all that she could rake and scrape and I don't think Stephany was chosen out of hole cloth.  He knew who she was and what she was worth.  She was the grand prix.  A gambler, a woman, a rich family.  What more could he want?   I think there was a method to his madness but due to his tangential thinking and lack of organization, no Paulus, Anita and Kalpox there to help him pull it off, the mentally deficient Joran, now a foreign land, not his own backyard of old favors and cave grounds, found the escape hatch harder and abandoned and his ill-conceived plans, and just got the hell out of dodge as quickly as possible using the only device he had, his criminal imagination.
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« Reply #916 on: June 19, 2010, 08:29:59 PM »

ANITA VAN DER SLOTH:

"If only he had listened to his mother. Then this never would have happened. If he hadn't been so persecuted, maybe not either. It's: 'if, if if…' But if he killed Stephany, then he will have to carry the burden of that," she said. "I will not visit him in his cell, I cannot embrace him. But he should get a fair trial. He is psychologically disturbed. That has to count for something, right?"

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/joran-van-der-sloots-mother-son-stephany-flores/story?id=10961460&page=2

If Anita wishes in one hand and spits in the other, I bet she will find which is filled more quickly.
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« Reply #917 on: June 19, 2010, 08:32:16 PM »

I believe Joran had some vague idea that he would hide Stephany's remains in a suitcase that he could carry out to her car and take to the sea.  But in order to walk through the lobby of the hotel, he would need to pay his bill and at least a few days ahead.

It was only after killing her that Joran discovered she did not have enough money for him to do that and buy a ticket back to Aruba or wherever he wanted to go.  He also saw police near the airport.

Joran did have some disorganized thought to concealing his crime and hiding the remains.  He just couldn't get it together.

I also think he had delusions of getting away the very same way he did in Aruba and made his kill as close to that one as possible partly for spite and partly because of his impulsiveness.

Totally premeditated all the way--just too bungling to pull it off.  He had to have thought of that suitcase at some point because he talked about it in his confession.

Who knows--Joran is a meglomaniac and may have even had delusions of extorting Stephany's family for years to come the way he has Natalee's.

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I think Joran also said he was in a foreign country and didn't know where he could buy a suitcase. 
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« Reply #918 on: June 19, 2010, 08:33:31 PM »

Anita knows, Paulus knew, Valentijn knows, Sabastian knows and Joran knows he killed Natalee and Stephany.   Anita can live in denial for the rest of her life but deep down she knows.
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« Reply #919 on: June 19, 2010, 08:33:49 PM »

I believe Joran had some vague idea that he would hide Stephany's remains in a suitcase that he could carry out to her car and take to the sea.  But in order to walk through the lobby of the hotel, he would need to pay his bill and at least a few days ahead.

It was only after killing her that Joran discovered she did not have enough money for him to do that and buy a ticket back to Aruba or wherever he wanted to go.  He also saw police near the airport.

Joran did have some disorganized thought to concealing his crime and hiding the remains.  He just couldn't get it together.

I also think he had delusions of getting away the very same way he did in Aruba and made his kill as close to that one as possible partly for spite and partly because of his impulsiveness.

Totally premeditated all the way--just too bungling to pull it off.  He had to have thought of that suitcase at some point because he talked about it in his confession.

Who knows--Joran is a meglomaniac and may have even had delusions of extorting Stephany's family for years to come the way he has Natalee's.

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I think Joran also said he was in a foreign country and didn't know where he could buy a suitcase. 


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