Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[msmarple]

Maybe Joran's fellow prisoners should be afraid of him ... lol 

Joran is bigger than most of them and apparently knows how to throw a punch. Up to a point, he can take care of himself. (Of course others could gang up on him, or have weapons that he doesn't ... )

[Anna]

Klaas, that game is just  hilarious.  There is really no way to lose, either.

msmarple--I suppose you are right that PLE is on top of the car but sometimes it's easier for us to see small details from a distance as we are not dealing with all the bulk of information they have.

But in any event, it was a darned good observation on your part and would for prove Stephany had no intention of spending any time in that room.  Certainly not playing online poker, drinking coffee or anything else.

[AnnieMW1]

Hi Monkeys....

This morning's recant is just so typical of Joran The Manipulator.  Am SO hoping the cops did everything by the Peruvian book and his claims are baseless.  And...even if they aren't, hoping that the wealth of physical, video, circumstantial, DNA evidence is enough to keep him in jail for a long, long time.

[msmarple]

Anna - Yes, that's exactly what I mean re. Stephany not planning to be there long at all. (If nothing else, it would narrow our speculation about why she went with him to his room. I'm leaning toward repayment of a gambling loan. Not much else comes to mind.)

[cecilita]

Good Morning Monkeys,
I am reading the comments in EL COMERCIO and people say the monter will create another story about how he killed Stephany. I hope that he is found with small robery and be sent to lurigancho and then he will be over, bye bye, chau!!!!

[Anna]

The court proceedings will be in Spanish and you know how fast they talk.  Also so will any transcripts. 

We will need everything translated.

TRUTV says he is in the courtroom (within the prison) now.  Also just said no cameras allowed inside.

Flores family says they have the right to be there but have declined and their lawyer will be paying close attention.

[Tamikosmom]

STEPHANY FLORES CASE

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

..... It then became clear that Joran had been a target for an FBI-operation in Aruba. "I thought it was strange that the attorney for the Holloways was on the island. I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like." .....

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

[Anna]

Cecilita,
Please see msmarple's last vew comments on the previous page.  She makes a good point that evidently Stephany's car wass parked in the short term parking area as Joran said they asked him to move it.  That proves she did not intend to spend any time in that room--not playing online poker or drinking coffee or anything.  Maybe get her $ back and leave.

Do you think PLE will notice this?  I think it is a very good tip.

JMO

[msmarple]

It will be interesting to compare how Peru regards Joran's shifting stories and silent spells. (Wonder if he will do that hands-over-ears "la-la-la" thing? Hope he has outgrown that one ...)

Anyway, I have a feeling these things will make it much worse for him. I don't think the judge(s) in Peru will have a bit of patience with those antics. Also, I don't think lying will be acceptable (as it was, even expected, in Aruba).

[msmarple]

STEPHANY FLORES CASE

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

..... It then became clear that Joran had been a target for an FBI-operation in Aruba. "I thought it was strange that the attorney for the Holloways was on the island. I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like." .....

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Janet - Excellent! (Sorta spooky, too.) (No offense to OUR Spooky.)

[Tamikosmom]

I just caught up.  Thanks to all for updates, articles, quotes and insights.

Is there a transcript or translation to Joran interview with the Dutch publication?

Thanks

Janet
8:30 AM PT

[Anna]

TruTV interviewing a Peruvian attorney.  She says Joran can remain silent but is usually considered better if they cooperate.  Can get reduction in sentence.  Like from 25-30 years to 20 years.

[littletxlady]

Anna - Yes, that's exactly what I mean re. Stephany not planning to be there long at all. (If nothing else, it would narrow our speculation about why she went with him to his room. I'm leaning toward repayment of a gambling loan. Not much else comes to mind.)

Exactly! That is what I have thought all along. Joran wanted her money and I think he was going to rape her but she was on her period. jmo

[msmarple]

I see that no cameras are allowed in the courtroom, but what about members of the press? Sorry if someone has posted this, I'm reading on the fly here ...

I know Peru has a "transparency" thing (similar to Florida's Sunshine Law).

[Tamikosmom]

STEPHANY FLORES CASE

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

..... It then became clear that Joran had been a target for an FBI-operation in Aruba. "I thought it was strange that the attorney for the Holloways was on the island. I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like." .....

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Janet - Excellent! (Sorta spooky, too.) (No offense to OUR Spooky.)

The inability of both Anita and Joran to genuinely empathize with the victim's family brings to mind the saying "The apple does not fall from the tree."

Janet

 
 

[klaasend]

On JVM tonight:

TJ Ward, the lead investigator in the Natalee Holloway.
Joran Van Der Sloot retracts murder confession. "I was tricked into a confession and I will explain later how it happened".

 
See TJ live tonight, June 21, 2010 at 7p.m on Issues with Jane Velez Mitchell HLN.

[ospainter]

Good morning

Peru lawyer on trutv just said Judge will advise jvds his right to remain silent in today's hearing.

I thought he had to speak. wish I had taped it.

I am confused.

she also talked about sentence 20 to 35 yrs and could get 10 yrs off if he tells the truth about the murder. I would think if he tells the truth they would add time, dunno maybe justice is served within the prison walls. Yep I bet that's how it works. Goodie, goodie..

OS

[klaasend]

Good morning

Peru lawyer on trutv just said Judge will advise jvds his right to remain silent in today's hearing.

I thought he had to speak. wish I had taped it.

I am confused.

she also talked about sentence 20 to 35 yrs and could get 10 yrs off if he tells the truth about the murder. I would think if he tells the truth they would add time, dunno maybe justice is served within the prison walls. Yep I bet that's how it works. Goodie, goodie..

OS

Doesn't matter if Joran gets 10-20-30yrs, he won't last that long. 

[ospainter]

TruTV interviewing a Peruvian attorney.  She says Joran can remain silent but is usually considered better if they cooperate.  Can get reduction in sentence.  Like from 25-30 years to 20 years.

Hi Anna

Thanks, I missed some of it being out of the room..

I think no matter what he does, put a fork in him, he's done..

OS

[ospainter]

Good morning

Peru lawyer on trutv just said Judge will advise jvds his right to remain silent in today's hearing.

I thought he had to speak. wish I had taped it.

I am confused.

she also talked about sentence 20 to 35 yrs and could get 10 yrs off if he tells the truth about the murder. I would think if he tells the truth they would add time, dunno maybe justice is served within the prison walls. Yep I bet that's how it works. Goodie, goodie..

OS

Doesn't matter if Joran gets 10-20-30yrs, he won't last that long. 

Hi Klaas,

I agree, I just don't want to see Arlene (think that's her name) on TV telling us we just don't understand Peruivan law...grrrrrrrrrrrr

O/T I am now a ggm of a beautiful little girl.

OS