Natalee Case Discussion #840 6/17/10 - 6/22/10

[cecilita]

Cecilita,
Please see msmarple's last vew comments on the previous page.  She makes a good point that evidently Stephany's car wass parked in the short term parking area as Joran said they asked him to move it.  That proves she did not intend to spend any time in that room--not playing online poker or drinking coffee or anything.  Maybe get her $ back and leave.

Do you think PLE will notice this?  I think it is a very good tip.

JMO

Hi Anna,
I think they have everything in cameras. Do we know where did she park? I believe the garage was in the basement and there are temporary parking spaces in front the hostel. (to find a parking space at that location is very difficult because there is a very busy and important emergency hospital Casimiro Ulloa around there and a lot of doctors offices and restaurants)

[blah]

Drudge Report links to the story on Yahoo by posting "Van der SLUT retracts confession"

LOL.

Then at the article there are almost 3000 comments, almost every single one soundly condemning Joran.

Ah, phooey!  They have not corrected it!

I liked it better the first way.

its back to Van Der Slut again

[msmarple]

OS - Maybe I'll be the first to congratulate you! Have boat-loads of fun.

I don't think Peruvian law will be nearly as confusing as what happens in Aruba. (And may it STAY in Aruba.)

[Mere]

Still sitting on a branch...with the other hundred or so monkeys.

Want to thank all of you who have kept us up-to-date.

I almost choked when I saw that he had retracted his confession.  I just wondered why it had taken so long for someone to get to him and
tell him that he should do this. 

The thought of him in a Peruvian prison is more justice than I ever thought anyone would see.

(Txmom...I will drive by when the bike comes back...lol)

[klaasend]

O/T not fair, I'm not even a GM yet and I should be!  Lord knows I'm old enough, LOL

[msmarple]

Cecilita,
Please see msmarple's last vew comments on the previous page.  She makes a good point that evidently Stephany's car wass parked in the short term parking area as Joran said they asked him to move it.  That proves she did not intend to spend any time in that room--not playing online poker or drinking coffee or anything.  Maybe get her $ back and leave.

Do you think PLE will notice this?  I think it is a very good tip.

JMO

Hi Anna,
I think they have everything in cameras. Do we know where did she park? I believe the garage was in the basement and there are temporary parking spaces in front the hostel. (to find a parking space at that location is very difficult because there is a very busy and important emergency hospital Casimiro Ulloa around there and a lot of doctors offices and restaurants)

We're talking about that fact that Joran stated that a hotel employee told him he had to move the car. Which suggests maybe Stephany parked in one of those temporary spaces. Which further suggests that maybe Stephany had no intention of being there long. No online poker, no breakfast, for example.

Just a thought - might narrow down speculation as to WHY she went with him into the hotel.

[Tamikosmom]

THE STEPHANY FLORES CASE

De Telegraaf Interview - June, 2010

In the interview Joran Van der Sloot claims that he was scared and confused during his interrogation and that he wanted to leave. "If you sign these papers you will be extradited to the Netherlands..." Van der Sloot said he was told by Peruvian authorities. "In my blind panic I signed everything, but I didn't know what it all said."

"I was tricked into it," said Van der Sloot about the killing of Stephany Flores.

"How exactly all this happened, I will tell you later."

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5507588/joran_van_der_sloot_to_dutch_reporter.html


THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

A Current Affair Interview - September, 2005

Reporter: Well, I think if you can explain to people what really happened, and you were really forthcoming, the more forthcoming you are, the more chance there will be for you to get on with your life.
 
Joran van der Sloot: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that

http://scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm

[Scatty]

Posted on the front page of SM:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1005%2FDigitaal%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F492270%2F2010%2F06%2F21%2FMartel-Joran-tot-een-bekentenis.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en



Direct link to the game:


http://www.roundgames.com/game/Torture+Joran

That was FUN!!! He confessed on Max power! Ah the Joy!

[cecilita]

Cecilita,
Please see msmarple's last vew comments on the previous page.  She makes a good point that evidently Stephany's car wass parked in the short term parking area as Joran said they asked him to move it.  That proves she did not intend to spend any time in that room--not playing online poker or drinking coffee or anything.  Maybe get her $ back and leave.

Do you think PLE will notice this?  I think it is a very good tip.

JMO

Hi Anna,
I think they have everything in cameras. Do we know where did she park? I believe the garage was in the basement and there are temporary parking spaces in front the hostel. (to find a parking space at that location is very difficult because there is a very busy and important emergency hospital Casimiro Ulloa around there and a lot of doctors offices and restaurants)

We're talking about that fact that Joran stated that a hotel employee told him he had to move the car. Which suggests maybe Stephany parked in one of those temporary spaces. Which further suggests that maybe Stephany had no intention of being there long. No online poker, no breakfast, for example.

Just a thought - might narrow down speculation as to WHY she went with him into the hotel.

The temporary parking may be in front to the hotel...I dont think that stephany parked there but if she did it may be she was thinking to stay there no more than 5 minutes because in Peru girls dont park in front of those kind of hotels (friends could recognized her car)

[msmarple]

Janet - You are on one of your rolls today.

He'll tell us later, like fudge he will. de ja vue all over again. Fortunately, Peru doesn't need any convulated, self-serving information from him.

[AZSunny]

Posted on the front page of SM:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ad.nl%2Fad%2Fnl%2F1005%2FDigitaal%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F492270%2F2010%2F06%2F21%2FMartel-Joran-tot-een-bekentenis.dhtml&sl=nl&tl=en



Direct link to the game:


http://www.roundgames.com/game/Torture+Joran

I loved that!  I killed him!

[msmarple]

cecilita - But then why would someone at the hotel tell Joran to move the car?

(But we don't know for a fact that that's true. Joran said that someone told him to move the car, and we know he lies.)

Yes, I'm sure Stephany wouldn't have wanted to sit alone in the car in front of that hotel.

[Nut44x4]

How many times last week did we hear that he cannot refuse to speak at this meeting today, now everything says he does not have to speak

[klaasend]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/498346/van-der-sloot-cambio-version-ahora-dice-que-se-inculpo-crimen-stephany-flores-cambio-extradicion

Through translator:

Van der Sloot version changed: now he says he is indicted for the crime of Stephany Flores in exchange for extradition

In an interview on "De Telegraaf", a confessed murderer of the girl said it signed statement without reading the content. His mother found a few days ago that his son "is sick in the head"
Monday June 21, 2010 - 10:16 a.m.


(Elcomercio.pe, EFE). This morning, the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, should testify before the court for the murder of Stephany Flores.

As a preview of what I can say, today met part of the interview that gave the Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf", which ensures that the Peruvian police promised extradition to the Netherlands if he signed a statement accepting his authorship this crime.

According to Van der Sloot, the Peruvian police assured him: "If you sign these papers, extradite you to Holland."

"Dam blind panic, I signed everything, but did not know what those papers say," he said.

"I laid an ambush," said the Dutchman also on his guilty plea and told that during the interrogation "was very scared, I was confused and wanted to leave.

It also complained that in his cell of the Miguel Castro rats climb down the drain the toilet.

Remember that the head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, has denied that the Dutchman would be pressed to sign a confession. He said that in all criminal attended a prosecutor, his lawyer and the translator appointed by the Netherlands Embassy.

PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT
In another interview on "De Telegraaf", his mother, Anita van der Sloot, said his son was about to be admitted to a psychiatric clinic before leaving Peru.

A Dutchman's former girlfriend, Melody Granadillo, also featured in the ABC interview that Joran could lie with ease and without apparent reason.

It is known that during the process that was followed by the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, in 2005, he changed his version several times.

[cecilita]

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/498346/van-der-sloot-cambio-version-ahora-dice-que-se-inculpo-crimen-stephany-flores-cambio-extradicion

Through translator:

Van der Sloot version changed: now he says he is indicted for the crime of Stephany Flores in exchange for extradition

In an interview on "De Telegraaf", a confessed murderer of the girl said it signed statement without reading the content. His mother found a few days ago that his son "is sick in the head"
Monday June 21, 2010 - 10:16 a.m.


(Elcomercio.pe, EFE). This morning, the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, should testify before the court for the murder of Stephany Flores.

As a preview of what I can say, today met part of the interview that gave the Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf", which ensures that the Peruvian police promised extradition to the Netherlands if he signed a statement accepting his authorship this crime.

According to Van der Sloot, the Peruvian police assured him: "If you sign these papers, extradite you to Holland."

"Dam blind panic, I signed everything, but did not know what those papers say," he said.

"I laid an ambush," said the Dutchman also on his guilty plea and told that during the interrogation "was very scared, I was confused and wanted to leave.

It also complained that in his cell of the Miguel Castro rats climb down the drain the toilet.

Remember that the head of the Homicide Division of the National Police, PNP Colonel Miguel Canlla Ore, has denied that the Dutchman would be pressed to sign a confession. He said that in all criminal attended a prosecutor, his lawyer and the translator appointed by the Netherlands Embassy.

PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT
In another interview on "De Telegraaf", his mother, Anita van der Sloot, said his son was about to be admitted to a psychiatric clinic before leaving Peru.

A Dutchman's former girlfriend, Melody Granadillo, also featured in the ABC interview that Joran could lie with ease and without apparent reason.

It is known that during the process that was followed by the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway, in 2005, he changed his version several times.

Thnk you Klassed,
Peruvians will go with his first version.

[Anna]

I think for lying Joran should be put in the general population or transferred to Lurigancho.  He is trying to make it appear the Peruvian police did something wrong so why should they continue to give him the royal treatment?

[Tamikosmom]

Joran van der Sloot Says He Was Tricked into Murder Confession
Accused Killer Shares Cell With Murderer, Corrupt General and Rats
 
By JOHN QUINONES and MARK MOONEY
June 21, 2010

Joran van der Sloot is now claiming that he was tricked into confessing that he killed Peruvian Stephany Flores and says that he will "explain later" what really happened.

The Dutch playboy also complained that he has to share his prison cellblock with a Colombian murderer, a corrupt Peruvian general and rats that creep into his cell through the toilet at night.

 Van der Sloot, 22, is accused of murdering Flores and is the prime suspect in the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway  in Aruba five years ago.

His claim of being fooled into confessing to murder came one day after his mother, Anita van der Sloot, conceded that her son "could have done something" to Flores and that she could no longer hug him.

Her son, however, is now insisting that he didn't realize he was signing a murder confession, which was written in Spanish. Van der Sloot speaks some Spanish.

"During the interrogations I was very frightened and confused, and I wanted to leave," van der Sloot told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf in the notorious Castro Castro jail in Lima, Peru.

"'If you sign these papers you will be extradited to the Netherlands,' they were telling me all the time. In my blind panic I then signed everything, but I did not even know what was written down," he told the newspaper.

When asked about the murder of Flores, van der Sloot replied, "I have been framed. What happened exactly, I will explain later."

In the alleged confession, van der Sloot is quoted as saying he met Flores at a Lima casino and they were playing poker in his room when an email popped up on his computer linking him to the Holloway case.

He claims Flores became upset and struck him. Enraged, van der Sloot allegedly smashed her in the nose with his elbow. Blood gushed out and she nearly fainted from the blow, the confession states. He then grabbed her by the throat and banged her head against the wall, the confession says. He finally used his shirt to smother her, according to the reputed confession.

As ABC News reported at the time of his arrest, van der Sloot appeared confused before signing some police documents. He even asked his interrogatiors, "This only says I understand what my rights are, correct?"

More:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/International/joran-van-der-sloot-tricked-signing-murder-confession/story?id=10968585

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/International/joran-van-der-sloot-tricked-signing-murder-confession/story?id=10968585&page=2

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/International/joran-van-der-sloot-tricked-signing-murder-confession/story?id=10968585&page=3

[msmarple]

Nut - Someone here posted that he doesn't HAVE to speak, but it goes better for him if he does. May in Peru "remaining silent" is interpreted as at least a shade of guilt.

Re. Retracting Confession - I maintain that it was a pack of lies anyway, and the police/judge already know it.

Let's see, the confession contains lies, and he's retracting it. Will be interesting to see what the judge thinks about that.

If he does NOT offer up a confession - one that matches the evidence - isn't that worse in terms of sentencing?

[Curly]

They should just have someone beat the location of Natalee out of him, throw him in gen pop. and be done with it.
Stick his mother in there with him, too.
It's over, Joran. No one believes a word you say.
O, you misunderstood that for your murder confession regarding Stephany you'd be sent to the NL? Too bad, too sad. We don't believe you and we don't care. Enjoy your rats. Maybe they'll slowly chew you to death in the night. 

[Jo-An]

I just caught up.  Thanks to all for updates, articles, quotes and insights.

Is there a transcript or translation to Joran interview with the Dutch publication?

Thanks

Janet
8:30 AM PT

Hi Janet, there's wasn't much more in the article than what was already online, except this:

Just got De Telegraaf (they were giving them away for free at the store!) and there's really not much more in the article than there is already posted online.

Just that he said he's come to terms with the fact that he's going to be inside for a long time. His lawyer said that it can take up to at least two years until his trial starts. And until that time he won't speak about the case itself.

And get a load of this:
"My lawyer is now focusing on the procedural errors that have been made. So there was really no need for me to be here."


More in tomorrow's paper!!

Plus a cliffhanger that there will be a more extensive report in tomorrow's newspaper.
I'll be buying it on my way to work and see what it has to say.