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« Reply #1080 on: July 02, 2010, 10:53:33 PM »




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« Reply #1081 on: July 02, 2010, 10:53:45 PM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.
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« Reply #1082 on: July 02, 2010, 10:53:45 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

We will just have to wander around like homeless monkeys until you get it repaired.  Please hurry!!
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« Reply #1083 on: July 02, 2010, 10:54:05 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.
Thanks, Red........ sorry for my frustrations this afternoon.
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« Reply #1084 on: July 02, 2010, 10:55:05 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!
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« Reply #1085 on: July 02, 2010, 11:00:49 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.
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« Reply #1086 on: July 02, 2010, 11:02:05 PM »



Grandma and her boys...


Valentijn looks like Sebastian in that pic -- he lost a LOT of weight.

I noticed that too, and in another pic I came across also.  Wondered for a minute if he wasn't the one that Joran beat the crap out of.  Wish we could find out more specifics about that.  Or at least know for sure if it's true or not.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1087 on: July 02, 2010, 11:03:11 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

LOL, once we get the new upgrade, will be able to have that horse avatar being beaten with the stick.

I know it's been frustrating ... I am shooting for next week.
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« Reply #1088 on: July 02, 2010, 11:04:01 PM »

Goodnight, Monkeys!

See you on the other side of the maintenance/repairs!
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« Reply #1089 on: July 02, 2010, 11:04:38 PM »

Thanks Red!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1090 on: July 02, 2010, 11:17:18 PM »

Lifesong,
Agree.  Joran was planning to murder and rob Stephnay before they ever entered that hotel room.  There was nothing she did that caused it at all.  He was flat broke and wanted her money and any she had in her car.

Robbery was his primary motive with rape as a secondary one. 
I would add in as a tertiary motive -- revenge against Beth. The DATE of the crime certainly was on his mind as well.
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Apparantly he confessed to a dutch poker buddy on the phone that he'did something really bad', he had been suffering from depressions because he gambled most of his roll away and was almost broke, and got media horny during this depression. So he decided to kill a girl 5 years after the last "crime".
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« Reply #1091 on: July 02, 2010, 11:22:55 PM »





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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1092 on: July 02, 2010, 11:27:25 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.
Thanks, Red........ sorry for my frustrations this afternoon.

Thanks from me too Red. I love SM and it's the first place I go every morning, Damm, you can't get me off this place.

And thanks for the awesome front page articles. We're ideological soul-mates. I'm sure that any software maintenance will be worth it.

Keep up the great work bro! and it's great to have SM at my finger tips!
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« Reply #1093 on: July 02, 2010, 11:27:53 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

Great with words, carpe!
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« Reply #1094 on: July 02, 2010, 11:32:22 PM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.

Just want to welcome you, FrankC.....I understand your theory.  Let's hope that due process is served. 
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« Reply #1095 on: July 02, 2010, 11:35:35 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thanks Red.

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« Reply #1096 on: July 02, 2010, 11:36:27 PM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

LOL, once we get the new upgrade, will be able to have that horse avatar being beaten with the stick.

I know it's been frustrating ... I am shooting for next week.

just try to get rid of us - I have some mojo and can disable a ban button! Just kidding - but you get the point!

you stuck with us now bro bro!
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« Reply #1097 on: July 02, 2010, 11:38:42 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions for donations and other ways to help, I'll let Red now.  Not much I can do though except relay the message.  BTW, I get the same compensation you guys get for being here.
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« Reply #1098 on: July 02, 2010, 11:40:03 PM »

WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

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   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it


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  As we stand there in the wee hours of Tuesday morning, May 31, 2005, waiting to get a search warrant that is never obtained, the two who were last seen with Natalee offer to us where they dropped her off early yesterday morning.  For the last time we drive back to the Holiday Inn, where Joran and Deepak demonstrate with great detail where they took Natalee, and how she stumbled and bumped her head getting out of the car, describing her over and over as so drunk.
 
Joran and Deepak then show me exactly where they dropped Natalee off in front of the hotel entrance, speading their arms in illustration of the area, which is right outside the front entrance of the Holiday Inn lobby.

Page 97:  The black and white footage plays. The video is grainy, but clearly shows the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn.  I ask them to rewind I and play it again.

Natalee never appears at the hotel where Joran and Deepak so elaborately demonstrated they left her.  She never came back.  She never got out of that car and stumbled and bumped her head like they told me
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #1099 on: July 02, 2010, 11:40:42 PM »

Why am I nervous?  lol

I think I'm having pre-withdrawal symptoms!


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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