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« Reply #1100 on: July 02, 2010, 11:42:44 PM »

Well, that is why I don't post! LOL!! I certainly made a mess of that. I have been here since early to mid June of 2005.  At least once had to contact Red to get me back in....... just don't really know how to post/reply etc. so just lurk and learn and love you all that are so amazing and dedicated, especially Klass, thank you all.  How are we going to replace this obsolete server? I want to help even though I am clueless as to how to do so..............tmhgolf
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« Reply #1101 on: July 02, 2010, 11:42:54 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions for donations and other ways to help, I'll let Red now.  Not much I can do though except relay the message.  BTW, I get the same compensation you guys get for being here.

Hey, tmhgolf.  Your message wasn't clear, but we know you are here...

Welcome....hang in with us.
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« Reply #1102 on: July 02, 2010, 11:43:14 PM »

WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

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Page 44:
  Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and address.

Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn’t home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46:  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out …

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front.  There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again.  He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Page 47:  Everybody is running and running to the cars.  Few Words are spoken.  We arrive to see people standing in front of the house.  They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  It’s about three o’clock in the morning.  It’s a school night.  They aren’t dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Page 121:  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there – the same time we were stand in the van der Sloots’ front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #1103 on: July 02, 2010, 11:45:49 PM »

you know - if there was no SM I would be soo ooo ooo pissed and no one could replicate it. And I can't think of too many more reasons for having the connection speed I pay for but to have all this right here.

This is the best site I have ever seen and Red, you deserve so much credit for the foresight and wisdom to create this behemoth. We don't tell you that enough, but it's really the truth.

So Red, thanks again for the last five years - it's been one hell of a ride.

Kudos to you and Klaas and all you have put into this vision.

One last point - I remember when you announced that SM had the 10 millionth hit. You have come so far and I, along with all the Monks and Monkettes - wish SM an eternity of breaking news, perspective, but most of all - the truth. It's why we all come here.

You have made a great contribution to mankind Red - keep the fire burning my friend.
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« Reply #1104 on: July 02, 2010, 11:47:29 PM »

WE NEVER STOOD A CHANCE

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Page 58:
  Detective Jacobs asks us to come to the police station in Bubali in about an hour to give our official statements.

Page 59:  Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o’clock sharp …

Detective Jacobs is sitting behind the counter in a reclining swivel office chair.  As we move toward him, he leans back in his chair.  “We’re ready to give our statements,” we say, anxious to tell him the facts about Natalee’s disappearance we’ve gathered thus far, so that an investigation can get under way.

Page 60:  He pushes one hand and then the other down and across his belly, which is extended by his rearing back.  He says, “I’ll have to eat my frosted flakes first,” and then, running a hand across his jaw, adds, “and get a shave before I can deal with you.”  And with that he gets up from the chair, exits through the little swinging door, and disappears ….

A half hour passes.  Then an hour.  I wish there was an American law enforcement contact here to help us, someone to act as a liaison.    I get up from the plastic chair, go outside, and sit down in the gravel driveway ….

I’m outside about thirty minutes when another officer, police chief Jan van der Straten, comes out to the driveway and tells me bluntly and curtly to get up.  “You can’t sit in the gravel like this.  Come back inside.”

Inside, two more hours pass …

After almost three hours detective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn’t need me today.
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #1105 on: July 02, 2010, 11:49:21 PM »

Why am I nervous?  lol

I think I'm having pre-withdrawal symptoms!




Your search engine will keep going and going and going....I am convinced. Smile
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« Reply #1106 on: July 02, 2010, 11:50:29 PM »

To all American Monkeys

Have a great July 4th weekend!

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Janet
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #1107 on: July 02, 2010, 11:51:58 PM »

Courtesy of PerlinUSA @ BFN

CBS48 Hours Mystery has some insight into how van der Sloot evaded police as he fled Peru.

Peru police told 48 Hours | Mystery that they believe Joranvan der Sloot, the man accused of killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores, disposed of the SIM card in his cell phone before he was apprehended.

After van der Sloot was caught in Chile, cops confiscated his cell phone. Police later found that the SIM card had been removed.


That says a lot ...
 LE had better find his service provider and find out who he called and see if any of it was digital recorded and stored on the server..
jmho

Which still leads me back to the question as to whether the Peruvian Police investigated the hotel he said he left his credit cards in when he was questioned.
hello monkeys

I think the monster trew all his stuffs in Nazca when he stopped to buy tickets to go to Tacna. The taxi drivers said that he stop in nazca to buy tickets and then he come bac and offer them money to take him to Tacna.
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« Reply #1108 on: July 02, 2010, 11:54:32 PM »

How Joran would look in a Thai prison, LOL

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« Reply #1109 on: July 03, 2010, 12:12:44 AM »

How Joran would look in a Thai prison, LOL



love it. makes wine tastes a little better, makes ribs so much more enjoyable, maybe time with friends sparkle with life.

thank you for that - and thanks from anyone who has a daughter.
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« Reply #1110 on: July 03, 2010, 12:51:04 AM »

you know - if there was no SM I would be soo ooo ooo pissed and no one could replicate it. And I can't think of too many more reasons for having the connection speed I pay for but to have all this right here.

This is the best site I have ever seen and Red, you deserve so much credit for the foresight and wisdom to create this behemoth. We don't tell you that enough, but it's really the truth.

So Red, thanks again for the last five years - it's been one hell of a ride.

Kudos to you and Klaas and all you have put into this vision.

One last point - I remember when you announced that SM had the 10 millionth hit. You have come so far and I, along with all the Monks and Monkettes - wish SM an eternity of breaking news, perspective, but most of all - the truth. It's why we all come here.

You have made a great contribution to mankind Red - keep the fire burning my friend.

Ditto to everything Rob stated.  I couldn't have worded it any better.  No place else like SM.
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« Reply #1111 on: July 03, 2010, 02:04:31 AM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.
FrankC...
Your theory makes a lot of sense...urine's intent was to rob Stephany....when he didn't get his way....he 'beat her...to death.....
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« Reply #1112 on: July 03, 2010, 02:11:03 AM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

LOL, once we get the new upgrade, will be able to have that horse avatar being beaten with the stick.

I know it's been frustrating ... I am shooting for next week.

just try to get rid of us - I have some mojo and can disable a ban button! Just kidding - but you get the point!

you stuck with us now bro bro!

That's another reason I don't go anywhere else. I create some of the worst photoshop art that has ever been authored in the history of mankind. I'd be thrown out of any other place. Red is like the only person kind enough to let me stay. LOL
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« Reply #1113 on: July 03, 2010, 02:20:20 AM »

We're back already!  wooohooo!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1114 on: July 03, 2010, 02:21:37 AM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

LOL, once we get the new upgrade, will be able to have that horse avatar being beaten with the stick.

I know it's been frustrating ... I am shooting for next week.

just try to get rid of us - I have some mojo and can disable a ban button! Just kidding - but you get the point!

you stuck with us now bro bro!

That's another reason I don't go anywhere else. I create some of the worst photoshop art that has ever been authored in the history of mankind. I'd be thrown out of any other place. Red is like the only person kind enough to let me stay. LOL

You make us laugh (really hard sometimes) and that's GOOD!

(((hugs)))
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1115 on: July 03, 2010, 02:23:53 AM »

Are we still shutting down in a few hours??

Yes, there has to be some maintenance done tonight on an upgrade that was recently done. Sorry for the down time folks.

Just an FYI, I am in discussion for doing a server upgrade which has been on on going discussion for 2 to 3 months. Please know folks that there is much that goes on behind the scenes and there is more to SM than just myself posting on the FP. So much more.

I appreciate every one's patience, the new server is almost here. I appreciate people's offers to help out with the costs, but that is not your responsibility. We try not to ask any one for funds, that's why we run ads. Although I appreciate the thought.

Hang in there folks, it has been trying for me as well. Almost there.

Thank you Red!

Thanks, Red. I know you are doing your best.

>Am hanging in there. Actually, you couldn`t beat me off this site with a stick.

LOL, once we get the new upgrade, will be able to have that horse avatar being beaten with the stick.

I know it's been frustrating ... I am shooting for next week.

just try to get rid of us - I have some mojo and can disable a ban button! Just kidding - but you get the point!

you stuck with us now bro bro!

That's another reason I don't go anywhere else. I create some of the worst photoshop art that has ever been authored in the history of mankind. I'd be thrown out of any other place. Red is like the only person kind enough to let me stay. LOL

You make us laugh (really hard sometimes) and that's GOOD!

(((hugs)))

Smile

((((Texasmom))))
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« Reply #1116 on: July 03, 2010, 02:29:27 AM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.

It really could have happened that way too.
Good thought.. an act of pure desporation.

So why did he dispose of or destroy the SIM card ? there was no bank transfer.

I suppose the destruction of the SIM card could be relative to the calls he made to Beth for the money. After the murder of stepanie on the anniversary of natalee he was freaking out and decided to destoy the evidence that he held in his hand.

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« Reply #1117 on: July 03, 2010, 02:37:59 AM »

If she got upset about anything, it was because he had no funds to pay her back, but I suggest she never had the chance to get upset.  She was dead meat when she walked in the room and he wanted to rob her, rape her and video-tape her for his sadistic sexual proclivity.  What an SOB, and the only honest statement he has ever made is that his mother is a big liar.
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« Reply #1118 on: July 03, 2010, 02:40:05 AM »

yes I agree tylergal I think he has that built into him..
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« Reply #1119 on: July 03, 2010, 02:41:33 AM »

Courtesy of PerlinUSA @ BFN

CBS48 Hours Mystery has some insight into how van der Sloot evaded police as he fled Peru.

Peru police told 48 Hours | Mystery that they believe Joranvan der Sloot, the man accused of killing Peruvian student Stephany Flores, disposed of the SIM card in his cell phone before he was apprehended.

After van der Sloot was caught in Chile, cops confiscated his cell phone. Police later found that the SIM card had been removed.


That says a lot ...
 LE had better find his service provider and find out who he called and see if any of it was digital recorded and stored on the server..
jmho

Which still leads me back to the question as to whether the Peruvian Police investigated the hotel he said he left his credit cards in when he was questioned.
hello monkeys

I think the monster trew all his stuffs in Nazca when he stopped to buy tickets to go to Tacna. The taxi drivers said that he stop in nazca to buy tickets and then he come bac and offer them money to take him to Tacna.

Great observation...
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