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« Reply #1120 on: July 03, 2010, 02:44:09 AM »

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« Reply #1121 on: July 03, 2010, 03:06:11 AM »

Joran posed as a model scout in Thailand, telling the girls he would take them to Holland where they would be models.  Hmmmm....what's the name of that magazine that Julia Renfro had...let me get my thinking cap on now, because I believe it had something to do with modeling and I recall Monsier Rudy Cruez having "models" in his harem from a nearby country, whose peasantry backgrounds made them vulnerable and living in belief there was a better life with Rudy Cruez and Aruba.  Who recruited these "models" for Rudy?
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« Reply #1122 on: July 03, 2010, 03:08:59 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.msg38685#msg38685

From Joran's 2005 Character witness list:

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Did I miss something here?  Is she his mother or sister or something and I didn't know it?



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1123 on: July 03, 2010, 03:16:50 AM »

you know - if there was no SM I would be soo ooo ooo pissed and no one could replicate it. And I can't think of too many more reasons for having the connection speed I pay for but to have all this right here.

This is the best site I have ever seen and Red, you deserve so much credit for the foresight and wisdom to create this behemoth. We don't tell you that enough, but it's really the truth.

So Red, thanks again for the last five years - it's been one hell of a ride.

Kudos to you and Klaas and all you have put into this vision.

One last point - I remember when you announced that SM had the 10 millionth hit. You have come so far and I, along with all the Monks and Monkettes - wish SM an eternity of breaking news, perspective, but most of all - the truth. It's why we all come here.

You have made a great contribution to mankind Red - keep the fire burning my friend.

I oh so ditto this.
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« Reply #1124 on: July 03, 2010, 03:27:20 AM »

How Joran would look in a Thai prison, LOL



love it. makes wine tastes a little better, makes ribs so much more enjoyable, maybe time with friends sparkle with life.

thank you for that - and thanks from anyone who has a daughter.

May be Oran have wax-on, wax-off 4th of Jury in Tiran
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« Reply #1125 on: July 03, 2010, 03:29:20 AM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.

Just want to welcome you, FrankC.....I understand your theory.  Let's hope that due process is served. 

Thank you.  I'm glad to be here.
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« Reply #1126 on: July 03, 2010, 03:32:29 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.msg38685#msg38685

From Joran's 2005 Character witness list:

HT Grande



Did I miss something here?  Is she his mother or sister or something and I didn't know it?





How recent is this pic? I have one from Casa Tua in 2009 and she has biceps bigger than Larry "the cable guy"
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« Reply #1127 on: July 03, 2010, 03:33:37 AM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.

It really could have happened that way too.
Good thought.. an act of pure desporation.

So why did he dispose of or destroy the SIM card ? there was no bank transfer.

I suppose the destruction of the SIM card could be relative to the calls he made to Beth for the money. After the murder of stepanie on the anniversary of natalee he was freaking out and decided to destoy the evidence that he held in his hand.



I don't know enough about cell phones to have a valid opinion, but the police theory that he did it "so he couldn't be tracked" sounds reasonable to me.  Is data stored on a SIM card that is not retained on a server?
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« Reply #1128 on: July 03, 2010, 03:38:58 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.msg38685#msg38685

From Joran's 2005 Character witness list:

HT Grande



Did I miss something here?  Is she his mother or sister or something and I didn't know it?





How recent is this pic? I have one from Casa Tua in 2009 and she has biceps bigger than Larry "the cable guy"


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« Reply #1129 on: July 03, 2010, 03:39:13 AM »

Re: Link to amazon.com and pop up ads... I use a browser where the pop up adds are blocked but the amazon.com link still appears in the upper right corner of the page. Thanks for the reminder to use it!
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« Reply #1130 on: July 03, 2010, 03:53:25 AM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1131 on: July 03, 2010, 03:55:29 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.msg38685#msg38685

From Joran's 2005 Character witness list:

HT Grande



Did I miss something here?  Is she his mother or sister or something and I didn't know it?





How recent is this pic? I have one from Casa Tua in 2009 and she has biceps bigger than Larry "the cable guy"




He added it on June 19th (which doesn't really mean anything), and she recently changed it to her profile picture too.  But I don't really know when the picture was taken.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1132 on: July 03, 2010, 03:57:13 AM »

She does look heavier in the Casa Tua picture imo. 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1133 on: July 03, 2010, 03:59:36 AM »





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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1134 on: July 03, 2010, 04:03:05 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=245.msg38685#msg38685

From Joran's 2005 Character witness list:

HT Grande



Did I miss something here?  Is she his mother or sister or something and I didn't know it?





How recent is this pic? I have one from Casa Tua in 2009 and she has biceps bigger than Larry "the cable guy"




He added it on June 19th (which doesn't really mean anything), and she recently changed it to her profile picture too.  But I don't really know when the picture was taken.

It sure bothers me that he was on Joran's CHARACTER witness list... and she was a Holloway lawyer!!!!!

Vinda's other associations on Facebook:

   CaribMedia, Tera Group N.V., Havaianas, EYE KANDY UNLIMITED, VERAO AGORA, GRATE Group Curacao (GR8 Group), SAC Gala Night, sometimes you have to forget how you feel and remember what you deserve.<3, Supperclub Cruise, TheStars Hair Studio, Hyatt Regency Curaçao Golf Resort, Spa and Marina, Chef Maldonado, Cuba's Cooking, Viana Healing Center, Maharaj Indian Restaurant, Surprise, Doornroosje, Curacao North Sea Jazz Festival, Comité Roos Aruba, J.L. Penha & Sons, Inc - CURACAO-ARUBA-ST MAARTEN, MPG Real Estate, Dushi Carnival Group, Asociacion Trabao di Hubentud na Aruba (ATHA), Aruba Courier Express, Koffie-Break, Muvi Vision, Kowloon Restaurant, Diveversity Aruba, World Gratitude, Island Temptations, Aruba Gay Rights Parade, Las Cartas del Tarot, SPORTSZONE Aruba, Indulgence by the Sea, HARD ROCK CAFE CARACAS, Galletas de la fortuna, Qwanto! Payroll Software, LesbianLush.com, carolina Internacional, Que Pasa? restaurant-artgallery & bar, king julian, Rio 2016 Olympic Games, Human Rights Campaign, Movies, Traffic Safety in Aruba, Scuba Aruba, Digicel Haiti Relief Fund, Veintiseven La Revista, Juggling Fish, THISANE & THIMUNE, The Coconut Trading Co., T.H. Palm & Company, The Lazy Lizard,

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« Reply #1135 on: July 03, 2010, 08:01:42 AM »

My theory (just a guess really) about the laptop and cell phone is much more mundane than anything I've read.  It's been established that JVDS did not leave the room and return to catch Stephany doing anything, because she was already dead when he left the room.  And it seems unlikely that she would start nosing around on his laptop or cell phone while he was right there.

Further, JVDS said they went to his room because she wanted to play poker on line.  While that seems unlikely to me since they were in a casino, there always seems to be some element of truth in JVDS's "confessions."  Stephany didn't have a laptop with her so JVDS had to anticipate they would be using his computer to play.  And supposedly a "message" appeared on the screen which sent him into a rage.

I think most of the above is bs, BUT if they went to his room to use the computer, I would bet it was because he promised to make an online bank transfer to her account to repay the money he owed her.  Of course, his real intention was to force her to make an online bank transfer to his account.

His "rage" was incited because she refused, or perhaps didn't have an account from which she could do that, or couldn't remember her password due to the GHB he had given her.  He didn't believe her, so he decided to "beat the truth" out of her.  Didn't work.

Just a theory/guess, but I'm convinced he gave her GHB or some other very strong sedative.  When they left the casino, she walked beside him or in front of him, and had a bounce in her step.  20 +/- minutes later at the hotel she walked dutifully behind him in a slump without a hint of happiness.  There is no natural explanation for such a change.

It really could have happened that way too.
Good thought.. an act of pure desporation.

So why did he dispose of or destroy the SIM card ? there was no bank transfer.

I suppose the destruction of the SIM card could be relative to the calls he made to Beth for the money. After the murder of stepanie on the anniversary of natalee he was freaking out and decided to destoy the evidence that he held in his hand.



I don't know enough about cell phones to have a valid opinion, but the police theory that he did it "so he couldn't be tracked" sounds reasonable to me.  Is data stored on a SIM card that is not retained on a server?
What if he killed her after she entered her bank account password? Maybe he attempted to get more money than she promised. Or when he checked his account he found out the FBI didn't wire the rest of his extortion money and he was caught in a lie in front of Stephany. The embarrassment and humiliation sent him into a rage when she attempted to walk away from this loser.
The SIM card disposal may have been an attempt to get away from the FBI since he now knew they weren't going to give him the rest of his extortion money.
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« Reply #1136 on: July 03, 2010, 09:03:33 AM »




in jolly ole England  - they call those - Bingo Wings... LOL
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« Reply #1137 on: July 03, 2010, 09:13:11 AM »

van der Sloot Connected to Missing Teens in Thailand???
Breaking: Van der Sloot connected

to missing teens in Thailand?

 
Major development -- Is Joran Van Der Sloot linked to missing teen
girls in Thailand? Nancy Grace has the latest on this report.



http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
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« Reply #1138 on: July 03, 2010, 09:48:10 AM »

From AlexSander Zievinger's windows live space:

Lots of photos at the link below
http://cid-34d387be178571f7.photos.live.com/albums.aspx

Alex & Aline at Choose a Name


Old pic of Aline, maybe 2004 at CnC


AlexSander and Hiram - I believe around 2005



From AlexSander's photo album - Venezuela Trip and earlier:







From AlexSander's photo album - I believe right after Joran got out of KIA


From AlexSander's photo album - Max Arends - Oct 2004 CnC
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« Reply #1139 on: July 03, 2010, 09:53:49 AM »

http://www.overthelimit.info/world/2010/07/03/is-there-really-a-van-der-sloot-tv-deal/


Is there really a Van der Sloot TV Deal?
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Could it be true that a network has agreed to a Van der Sloot TV deal? Although there is no proof that anyone has yet signed a contract for exclusive rights to the accused killer’s personal story it does appear that Joran van der Sloot is trying yet again to give another “true” version of the events surrounding the death of Stephany Flores in Peru. The price he is demanding for this story is a cool $1,000,000.

According to Peruvian reports Van der Sloot wants to cash in and sell an interview to a major network, or at least he is willing to deal with anyone who will ante up a whopping million dollar fee. This seems like a replay of the scam he used to try and extort a quarter of a million dollars from the mother of his alleged first victim Natalee Holloway.

With all of the unpaid versions of these murders already circulating it seems unlikely that there is anything Van der Sloot could possibly say or add. In fact it would be almost anti-climatic to listen to him prattle on about grisly murders in his cocky, unemotional vocal style.

Either Joran Van der Sloot is truly a cold blooded sociopathic murderer who is completely disconnected from reality or he is desperately trying to cash in on his evil notoriety. In this instance it is most likely a combination of both.


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