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« Reply #1360 on: July 05, 2010, 06:05:43 PM »

If he tilts his head to the right he may get better reception on his call to his home planet



Doh!  fixed it
Trying to picture in my head Anita 'doing' Joe for his services.

Why???
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« Reply #1361 on: July 05, 2010, 06:08:18 PM »

Klaas, it's time to turn words into action once again.  Let's get a petition for everyone here to sign, a petition that can be circulated to all our friends, a bulk e-mail so that we can sign saying we will boycott any products or any networks who pay any vdSloot attorney or who knowingly interview the attorneys or the mother of Joran, his brothers, any "reporters" or newspaper employees in Aruba, who are doing the bidding for Joran.  Let's get a petition and circulate it, and pass it along to the media outlets.  IT IS IMPERATIVE that we do this for Natalee and for Stephany and those unnamed Oriental and South American girls who have not had a voice on their behalf.

I agree with you 100% in principle, but my experience is that complaints to the media are counter productive.  The media regards ANY response to its reports as viewer/reader interest, which, in their eyes, is a good thing.

OTOH, I have personally seen one local (but much larger than Aruba) threatened advertiser boycott which was so effective it got media people fired.  It was started by one guy who gathered and posted the email addresses of the Presidents and/or CEOs of the advertisers and advised people to write very POLITE letters explaining they could no longer in good conscious purchase products from companies who supported that newspaper's editorial position on a certain subject.  I have no doubt that only a few advertisers contacted the newspaper about their concern, but it caused an almost immediate apology followed by dismissal of personnel.

If someone could produce a list of the email addresses in question regarding JVDS, a few hundred or maybe a few thousand emails might make a difference.  Just say what you think, but be polite and avoid any semblance of profanity.

One other thought.  It seems that the value of an interview of JVDS would have already dropped to almost zero.  Although Tacopina might be able to stir up some interest, surely there's a limit on how many times the media will fall for the "true story" from Joran.  At least I hope so.
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« Reply #1362 on: July 05, 2010, 06:13:31 PM »

Klaas, it's time to turn words into action once again.  Let's get a petition for everyone here to sign, a petition that can be circulated to all our friends, a bulk e-mail so that we can sign saying we will boycott any products or any networks who pay any vdSloot attorney or who knowingly interview the attorneys or the mother of Joran, his brothers, any "reporters" or newspaper employees in Aruba, who are doing the bidding for Joran.  Let's get a petition and circulate it, and pass it along to the media outlets.  IT IS IMPERATIVE that we do this for Natalee and for Stephany and those unnamed Oriental and South American girls who have not had a voice on their behalf.


I think that's a great idea, Tyler.  Just not sure exactly how to do it.  And we know they will go for the almighty ratings.  How to get them to listen to us instead???  If they had any morals they wouldn't be paying these people in the first place.

Melody and Anita just made more than they ever thought to have at one tinme in their lives, I am sure.  And now Joran has this idea he will get a million.

Someone else posted they think Joran killed Stephany in part for the media attention and I tend to agree that this was part of it--among other things like his being flat broke.  But I think he did this on the anniversary date of killing Natalee for the media attention, thinking he'd figure out a way to evade punishement.

I don't think Joran actually realizes it took a lot of people covering for him for him to have evaded before.  He actually thinks he committed the perfect crime.  He is too stupid to have realized he couldn't have gotten away with anything without the help of a whole corrupt little island
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I agree completely!

There is a corrupted group in the Netherlands .. It is not just little Aruba..
Aruba only exists for the purpose of money laundering and tax havens for extreme rich and within that group corruption exists. They are protecting Joran, even today.
BUT I agree Joran did this for financial gain and he feels he is smart enough and connected well enough to get a minimum sentence or completely free.
Like Beth said..It runs all the way to the Hauge. It actually goes further then the Hauge.
It is a hopeless situation because people can not come to turns with it. Joran knows that and plays on it.
 

"F" ing corrupt United Nations which should Bush should have bombed and said, "oops" when he was POTUS.

From all appearances, the UN is the most corrupt entity in the world.
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« Reply #1363 on: July 05, 2010, 06:32:57 PM »

I don't know if this is significant.  But couldn't help notice the name of his employer.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000863766118#!/johnny.zedan

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« Reply #1364 on: July 05, 2010, 06:39:49 PM »

You know, I think Jimmy Buffet had it right a long time ago.

First you learn the native customs
Soon a word of Spanish or two
But you know that you cannot trust them
Cause they know they can't trust you

Expatriated Americans feeling so all alone
Telling themselves the same lies
That they told themselves back home
Down to the Banana Republic things aren't as warm as they seem
When none of the natives are buying any second hand American dreams


Yes ma'am!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1365 on: July 05, 2010, 06:46:46 PM »

I don't know if this is significant.  But couldn't help notice the name of his employer.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000863766118#!/johnny.zedan

Abog Johnny Enrique Zedan
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Do you think he is a lawyer already, or still just a student?  I noticed him too, but Dury didn't ring a bell.  I thought it was a similar name to the boat maker we discussed a while back but didn't think it was spelled that way.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1366 on: July 05, 2010, 06:58:34 PM »

I don't know if this is significant.  But couldn't help notice the name of his employer.


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000863766118#!/johnny.zedan

Abog Johnny Enrique Zedan
Basic Info Sex: Male
 

Work and Education
Employers.... Dury
 

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SAEJEE especialista en Arbitraje Internacional '11Online
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Do you think he is a lawyer already, or still just a student?  I noticed him too, but Dury didn't ring a bell.  I thought it was a similar name to the boat maker we discussed a while back but didn't think it was spelled that way.




We have never known how Joran's "daury" from the Range Rover tape was spelled.

I think that Johnny Zedan's is maybe a band...not sure.  It just caught my eye.
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« Reply #1367 on: July 05, 2010, 07:13:11 PM »

If he tilts his head to the right he may get better reception on his call to his home planet



Doh!  fixed it

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« Reply #1368 on: July 05, 2010, 07:44:04 PM »

Not sure if this has been posted:

http://www.larepublica.pe/sociedad/05/07/2010/van-der-sloot-sera-sometido-pruebas-psicologicas

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« Reply #1369 on: July 05, 2010, 08:46:22 PM »

I wonder if Joran is going to answer any questions.
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« Reply #1370 on: July 05, 2010, 08:53:37 PM »

You know, I think Jimmy Buffet had it right a long time ago.

First you learn the native customs
Soon a word of Spanish or two
But you know that you cannot trust them
Cause they know they can't trust you

Expatriated Americans feeling so all alone
Telling themselves the same lies
That they told themselves back home
Down to the Banana Republic things aren't as warm as they seem
When none of the natives are buying any second hand American dreams


Wow, never thought about those words!
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« Reply #1371 on: July 05, 2010, 09:11:42 PM »

I don't recall reading this one here, sorry if it's a repeat.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/30/family-and-friends-remember-peru-murder-victim/

June 30, 2010

Family and friends remember Peru murder victim

Posted: 05:31 PM ET




Lima, Peru - Today marks one month since  the murder of 21-year old Stephany Flores. So much is happening on the legal front and personally with her close friends and family.

Ricardo Flores, the father of Stephany, is meeting with Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, to give his formal “declaration.” In the United States we would call this a sworn affidavit or statement , but what makes this all so unusual by American standards, is that in our courts the prosecution builds their case and investigates along with police who would also be interviewing potential witnesses.

Here in Peru, although the prosecution is still very much involved with the investigation, it is the judge who is the primary fact finder. Although the Peruvian penal code is gradually changing to give prosecutors more power, at this point it is Judge Cordova who personally takes those formal statements.

Mr. Flores, along with the rest of his family, were the ones who alerted police that Stephany had not come home on May 29, 2010, and aided law enforcement in the search for his daughter, whose body was ultimately found on June 2, 2010, in the hotel room registered to Joran van der Sloot.

The family will have a memorial service Wednesday night.

On the defense front, Maximo Altez, the attorney for van der Sloot filed his formal appeal today in the 20th “juzgado” court here in Lima. This is the same court that rejected his Writ of Habeas Corpus. If they do not rule in his favor this time, he has told us he will be going to the highest court in the country, Peru’s Supreme Court.

On a very personal note, I recently met with close girlfriends to Stephany Flores. They have never come forward to speak publicly, but wanted to share with me their thoughts and memories of their dear friend.

There were a lot of tears, some laughter and much anger that the life of Stephany was taken, when she had her entire future before her.

They told me she was so intelligent and had tremendous ambitions for great success in the business arena. She once wrote a list of 23 businesses that she wanted to succeed in, and then checked them off one by one as she decided “yes” I will pursue this one, or “no” I’m not interested in this.

They said she came from a very privileged family, but you wouldn’t know it by talking with her, and was extremely giving along with being so very humble about her family’s wealth.

Friends told me she was extremely anti-drug and when I told them (to their surprise) that official reports say amphetamines were found in Stephany’s system, they said Stephany wouldn’t associate with people who did drugs and was adamant about her feelings on the issue.

They said they still cannot believe she is gone and that the University of Lima is now missing one of its brightest scholars. They say this is one reason why they are so angry.

The last thing Stephany said to them was that she was the happiest she had ever been in her life. She had her new car, her goals, her adored family and her friends.

Her friends say they don’t understand why she went to the room with van der Sloot, but do not believe it was to play online poker. They wish they could turn back time and stop her from going… but they never thought something like this would happen to someone so dear. They do not believe she even had a chance to fight back that night.

When I asked them all, if convicted, how much time should van der Sloot serve? Their answer was a unanimous “life in prison.” They know, however, a life term is rare in Peru and are very concerned, if convicted, van der Sloot will actually serve even less than ten years behind bars in Peru.

–Jean Casarez, In Session on truTV

Filed under: Case Updates • Joran van der Sloot
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1372 on: July 05, 2010, 09:16:03 PM »

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/01/remembering-the-life-of-stephany-flores/

July 1, 2010

Remembering the life of Stephany Flores

Posted: 10:14 AM ET



Lima, Peru – Almost 300 people filled a Lima temple Wednesday, to remember Stephany Flores on the one month anniversary of her death.  Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, told friends and family who attended the memorial that parents can learn from the death of his daughter.

"Sometimes we're wrong and I have been wrong a lot. I have permitted my kids to know the good and not the bad; my kids have everything but also we have to take away from them sometimes," Flores said in Spanish.  

Flores choked up at the end of his brief address as he asked members of Peru's National Police Chorus to sing "Eternal Love" while a series of photographs depicting his daughter from childhood to adulthood flashed on a projector screen.

One of Flores' longtime friends remembered the 21-year-old as "a great friend" with a "contagious smile." Alexandra Infante said Flores was nicknamed "Flowers."

Carolina Jorge, a sister-in-law of Flores, described the 21-year-old as always being filled with love and happiness. Flores' younger brother, Ricardo Flores Ramirez, read a passage from Isaiah. The hour long service was one of three held on Wednesday. It took place at, Al Templo de la Alianza Cristiana y Misionera de Monterrico, the temple where Stephany's mother worships.

 -Nancy Leung, In Session Field Producer

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1373 on: July 05, 2010, 09:57:21 PM »

I wonder if Joran is going to answer any questions.

He'll prolly pretend to be nuttier than a fruitcake-lol.
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« Reply #1374 on: July 05, 2010, 10:03:13 PM »

Operation Infra-Red 2010
Round-up and arrest of fugitives worldwide



Operation Infra-Red 2010 is an INTERPOL initiative to locate and arrest serious long-term international fugitives. Taking place from 3 May to 15 July 2010, Infra-Red brings together over 50 dedicated officers from 29 countries around the world to tackle more than 450 serious wanted cases concerning fugitives who have fled their national jurisdiction.

On the run from justice, these criminals have committed crimes such as murder, paedophilia, fraud, corruption, drug trafficking and money laundering.

Infra-Red is seeking the public’s support in locating the following international fugitives.

If you have any information about any of these people, please send an email to our Fugitive Unit.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/Wanted/InfraRed/Default.asp
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« Reply #1375 on: July 05, 2010, 10:20:39 PM »

http://www.enjoyperu.com/peru_travel_tours_information/peru_useful_information/peru_climate_weather.html



PERU - WEATHER AND
CLIMATE


Generally speaking, the climate varies from region to region in Peru.

In the Coast, the weather varies, with a damp and cloudy winter that runs from June to September.

Average temperatures come in at 14°C / 57F. During the summer, temperatures can peak at 28°C / 82F or over.

In the Highlands, the sun shines all year round during the morning, but temperatures descend at night, averaging 5°C / 41F.

The climate in the Amazon jungle is tropical all year round. In both regions, the rain season runs from December through April.

Lima is a city that features a moderate climate, ranging from a light drizzle in winter to a warm summer.

Average temperature in summertime -from mid-December to mid-March is 25 / 28°C  77/82F. Winter, which usually features overcast skies and high humidity, has temperatures ranging from 10 to 16°C / 50 to 61F.

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Enlightening. I should like to visit one day!
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« Reply #1376 on: July 06, 2010, 12:09:36 AM »

Sorry if this is a repeat......

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5556238/michael_jackson_lawyer_to_defend_joran.html

Michael Jackson Lawyer to Defend Joran Van Der Sloot!

Published July 05, 2010 by:
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More: Harry Potter Elena Kagan Kristen Stewart Megan Fox Oil Spill
Van Der Sloot Allowed Three Defense Lawyers
Joran Van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores in a Lima, Peru hotel room on May 30th, 2010. The date is the five year anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

He is the chief suspect in that case also and has now been indicted in the US for wire fraud and extortion of Holloway's mother. He allegedly offered to reveal the location of Natalee's body and the circumstances of her
 death in exchange for $250,000. He was reportedly given $25,000 as a down payment.

According to reports by Dutch newspapers, Joran Van der Sloot can now count on three lawyers to defend him in Peruvian court this September.

One of those lawyers is Joseph Tacopina who successfully defended Michael Jackson in a child abuse case in 2005.

Peruvian authorities want to avoid suspicions of legal inequality and allowing the appointment of three attorneys.

According to the Dutch newspapers his three man team will consist of Joseph Tacopina, a Peruvian and a foreign lawyer and will aim for his acquittal.
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« Reply #1377 on: July 06, 2010, 12:14:57 AM »

I have been reading that Tacopina represented Michael Jackson in his child molestation case. I certainly don't remember that. Turns out, he reresented an "associate" of Michael Jackson - not the singer himself.

From Joe's own site:


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As part of Jackson's defense camp, Mr. Tacopina represented the pop singer's closest associate in controversial child molestation case. The Santa Barbara District Attorney's office dropped all related charges of kidnapping and endangering the welfare of a child against our client.
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« Reply #1378 on: July 06, 2010, 12:25:54 AM »

I have been reading that Tacopina represented Michael Jackson in his child molestation case. I certainly don't remember that. Turns out, he reresented an "associate" of Michael Jackson - not the singer himself.

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As part of Jackson's defense camp, Mr. Tacopina represented the pop singer's closest associate in controversial child molestation case. The Santa Barbara District Attorney's office dropped all related charges of kidnapping and endangering the welfare of a child against our client.

Thanks wreck!  I was wondering about that too!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1379 on: July 06, 2010, 12:35:30 AM »

Hi Monkeys!

I'm behind. My son's knee surgery got complicated with a blood clot. He seems to be getting a little better, and I'm catching up.

Ohhhhhh, I hate to read that Tacopino is going to be involved with the case again! I just can't stand him and I don't look forward to watching him prattle on about a set up or whatever he'll come up with. IMO, he'll be reduced to claiming Joran's crazy and shouldn't be held responsible for his actions. There's just too much hard evidence that he killed Stephany to wiggle out of it.

An insanity defense won't work either. Joran exhibited way too much conscienceness of guilt after the murder for that to work.

Anita might qualify to be insane, but Joran won't!
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