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« Reply #1560 on: July 08, 2010, 03:11:25 PM »

Lawyer asks Joran Van der Sloot confronts his client free trial

Despite being the main accused of the crime of Stephany Flores, the Netherlands ombudsman appealed for his client's response to the process simple murder and theft free.
 
The call this morning to the Judiciary, will be evaluated in the coming days by one of the rooms of the Superior Court of Lima.

At its first hearing in the Miguel Castro Castro, Joran Van der Sloot refused to testify before the court.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/locales/1278622306.php
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« Reply #1561 on: July 08, 2010, 03:14:04 PM »

Good Afternoon, Monkeys!

Klaas, do you think the new server will still allow us to search the archives as well as now?

Not that I can ever find anything anyway but some can do so.

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The forum software should remain exactly the same, the only thing changing is the hardware.  So your answer would be yes, it will be as it is now.

Will all my comments on Front Page ariticles still go "poof"?

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« Reply #1562 on: July 08, 2010, 03:14:14 PM »

Joran van der Sloot wants to confront free trial for the murder of Flores Stephany
The order of the confessed murderer will be evaluated by a panel of the Superior Court of Lima. Learned that foreign lawyers come to strengthen its defense

Although he confessed to the crime of the young Stephany Flower, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot (23) appealed to the judiciary to deal released this process that is followed by simple murder and theft.

According to reports today, "Perú.21" his lawyers appealed the detention order that imposed the court and sent to maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro.
Your order will be evaluated in the coming days by one of the rooms of the Superior Court of Lima.

Foreign Lawyers
The newspaper also reports that tomorrow would be coming to Lima two foreign lawyers to join the defense of the Netherlands. One of them was Joe Tacopina, who defended the singer Michael Jackson's child molestation trial.

It should be noted that Van der Sloot confessed to police that killed Flores because it dug into her computer and discovered his criminal record in Aruba when he was involved in the crime of American Natalee Holloway.

Since Van der Sloot in jail has refused to testify before the court. On the other hand, filed a habeas corpus, against Colonel Miguel Canlla and the police team that investigated for violating due process. This appeal was unsuccessful

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/507488/joran-van-der-sloot-quiere-afrontar-libertad-juicio-asesinato-stephany-flores
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« Reply #1563 on: July 08, 2010, 03:16:06 PM »

The face of Joran van der Sloot is an individual offender, according to specialist (with video)

The expert in face reading Rosa Maria Cifuentes analyzed the defendant's death and Stephany Flores also described as a manipulator

Joran van der Sloot is a manipulative person and appeared to have someone who likes to give orders and take over everything, considered the expert analysis of faces, Rosa Maria Cifuentes.

"That's the trait of an individual abuser, often dependent-affective looking for girls or lacking in affection for him conquer and dominate the relationship," he said when analyzing the face of the suspect in the death of young Stephany Flores, on 30 May.

The length of the mouth, lips and teeth of the Dutchman reinforce the great power of manipulation and attracting the opposite sex, according to Cifuentes.

This is what would have been noticed both in Stephany Flores as Natalee Holloway, the other alleged victim of Van der Sloot, who is also involved in procurement in Thailand.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490842/rostro-joran-van-der-sloot-individuo-maltratador
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« Reply #1564 on: July 08, 2010, 03:18:37 PM »

Good Afternoon, Monkeys!

Klaas, do you think the new server will still allow us to search the archives as well as now?

Not that I can ever find anything anyway but some can do so.

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The forum software should remain exactly the same, the only thing changing is the hardware.  So your answer would be yes, it will be as it is now.

Will all my comments on Front Page ariticles still go "poof"?

Janet

That is a separate Spam filter software.  My guess is there may be an upgrade to the Spam Filter that needs to be done.  It is automatically detecting many good posts as spam (like most of yours).  I'm afraid once it's determined someone is a spammer they keep sending to spam.  I have to find out how to rectify that.

So to answer your question, I don't know.
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« Reply #1565 on: July 08, 2010, 03:18:53 PM »

Want to face the murder trial without a Peruvian held at the Castro Castro.
Joran van der Sloot insists on innocence

Insists on his innocence and that the Peruvian justice system is one that has yet to demonstrate his guilt, though he confessed to being the murderer of Stephany Flores. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot now wants the criminal process will have to face the murder charge could bring free.

The stranger asked for revoking the detention order that imposed a criminal court on duty Juan Buendia, who ordered that he begin a criminal investigation for the alleged crimes of aggravated homicide and simple theft.

It also emerged that Van der Sloot's appeal for the release will be evaluated by one of the rooms of the Superior Court of Lima, to define the legal status of the foreigner, who is being held in the Miguel Castro Castro, in a cell preventive area, isolated from other common criminals, for fear that they might attempt on his life.

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To date, research has been done on the killing of Stephany, committed on 30 May, could not be conclusive about the possible involvement of Joran in the case, point to which it clings to ask the case back to zero and to dismiss his first confession to the crime, the same as indicated recently had to do because the police who questioned him had been coerced to plead guilty.

Another point which has not resolved are the results of DNA to those who underwent the remains of epithelial cells were found in the claws of the young Stephany Flores, and will show that fought for her life against her attacker. To yield the results that the remains are of the Netherlands, would be almost impossible for him to avoid paying their guilt in this case.

http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/joran-van-der-sloot-insiste-en-inocencia_65764.html
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« Reply #1566 on: July 08, 2010, 03:21:20 PM »

Good Afternoon, Monkeys!

Klaas, do you think the new server will still allow us to search the archives as well as now?

Not that I can ever find anything anyway but some can do so.

.

The forum software should remain exactly the same, the only thing changing is the hardware.  So your answer would be yes, it will be as it is now.

Will all my comments on Front Page ariticles still go "poof"?

Janet

That is a separate Spam filter software.  My guess is there may be an upgrade to the Spam Filter that needs to be done.  It is automatically detecting many good posts as spam (like most of yours).  I'm afraid once it's determined someone is a spammer they keep sending to spam.  I have to find out how to rectify that.
So to answer your question, I don't know.

Thanks.

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« Reply #1567 on: July 08, 2010, 03:52:14 PM »

CBB - I think the suggestion was for a Post of the Day "avatar" - maybe a blingee-encrusted medal or trophy.

Only problem is that we have quite a few terrific posts on the same day. Well, sometimes.



Gotcha, msmarple! I think that's a great idea!



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« Reply #1568 on: July 08, 2010, 03:56:29 PM »


YIKES! klaas - you didn't! (Yes you did, you naughty tyrannnnical ruler ;- .)

(I just noticed the “tyrannical ruler” bit today. You have an extra “n” unless you are codetalking. :smiley: )
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« Reply #1569 on: July 08, 2010, 03:59:48 PM »


YIKES! klaas - you didn't! (Yes you did, you naughty tyrannnnical ruler ;- .)

(I just noticed the “tyrannical ruler” bit today. You have an extra “n” unless you are codetalking. :smiley: )


Oh yeah she did, msmarple!!! ROFL!!!

I think that was the way it was spelled when somebody accused her of the title!  She wears it proudly and well, don't you think??  LOLOL!!
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« Reply #1570 on: July 08, 2010, 04:00:27 PM »

maybe even two extra "n's" ... unless my eyes are playing tricks. Again.
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« Reply #1571 on: July 08, 2010, 04:06:50 PM »

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I think that was the way it was spelled when somebody accused her of the title!  She wears it proudly and well, don't you think??  LOLOL!!

Oh, pardon me - I didn't know there was a back story. In THAT case, of course she should and does wear multiple n's proudly and well.

I am pretty sure you're not going to tell me WHO called klaas a "tyrannnnical ruler."
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« Reply #1572 on: July 08, 2010, 04:13:59 PM »

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I think that was the way it was spelled when somebody accused her of the title!  She wears it proudly and well, don't you think??  LOLOL!!

Oh, pardon me - I didn't know there was a back story. In THAT case, of course she should and does wear multiple n's proudly and well.

I am pretty sure you're not going to tell me WHO called klaas a "tyrannnnical ruler."


She is also the zoo geeper.  Klaas wears many hats.
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« Reply #1573 on: July 08, 2010, 04:19:32 PM »

The extra "nnnn's" come from the same type of people that like to ad the extra "kkkk's" in monkey
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #1574 on: July 08, 2010, 05:51:53 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74977.php

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Joran calls freedom

July 8, 2010, 12:44 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22) wants to wait for trial in freedom. He has filed a request with the court in Peru. Justice takes its request pending.

Peruvian radio station RPP to this report Wednesday. Joran is in custody in the Castro Castro prison near Lima, Peru. He's here in trial against him for the murder of the student Stephany Flores (1921) on May 31 this year. The murder suspect is this week subject to a further psychological research. It examines how Joran can be held responsible for the murder of Flores. The research takes place in prison where he was stuck.

It is customary for lawyers in Peru clients trying to get out of jail pending the trial. This conditional release, the suspect in Lima remain and report weekly to the court. It is also possible to get house arrest. The request in the coming days by the court to be judged. Legal experts in Peru in the media indicated the possibility of release "minimal" to consider.

The U.S. attorney Joe Taco Pina has not decided to Joran legal in Peru to assist. Last week this newspaper reported that the lawyer would become part of a three-man team of lawyers of the accused. The judge has denied that this is the case. He would be possible Joran legal advice. Amigoe relied on reports in international media including the newspaper and Peruvian Peru21.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1575 on: July 08, 2010, 06:02:15 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74962.php

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Money smugglers arrested

7 Jul, 2010, 08:02 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD — Four persons of Asian origin were arrested at Reina Beatrix airport yesterday for not declaring large amounts of money with customs. A spokesperson from the Public Prosecutor (OM) confirmed the aforementioned this morning.

Three persons had traveled together. The female, who was traveling separately, was carrying the amount of 62,000 dollars in cash. The OM did not wish to say how much money the other three had been carrying. According to reports, the travelers were en route to a party in China. It is customary in the Chinese culture to give cash money as a present. Two of the four suspects have been released in the meantime. Every traveler entering or leaving Aruba is legally obligated to declare money and securities payable to bearer worth twenty-thousand florins or more. The OM states there is no demonstrable connection between these arrests and the recently rounded up criminal organization in Curaçao. The latter was involved with human smuggling.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1576 on: July 08, 2010, 06:06:30 PM »

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Police rounds up Chinese gang

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WILLEMSTAD — With the apprehension yesterday of fourteen persons, eighteen Chinese are currently being detained on suspicion of amongst others human smuggling, counterfeiting of sedula’s and residence permits. In cooperation with the Aruban police, the 34-year old J.H. was also arrested, who is considered the head of the gang and almost succeeded in fleeing the country. Furthermore, approximately half a million guilders in various currencies was confiscated.

For more than one year, the Corps Police Curaçao (KPC) has been investigating the doings and dealings of a number of Chinese persons in Willemstad, say police commissioner Raymond Ellis and spokesperson Reggy Huggins. It was namely revealed there was an Asian network of human smugglers between Hong Kong, Amsterdam, Bonaire, Curaçao and Aruba. It appeared that many Chinese were traveling between Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao. They were often in the possession of Curaçao sedula’s. The Division Cross Border Organized Crime of the KPC had started an investigation into the latter. However, the ball really got rolling when four persons of Chinese origin were arrested on June 20th.

All of them were in the possession of counterfeit identity cards. It regarded the males J.L. (born in 1990) and Z.H. (1977) and the females S.W. (1979) and S.H. (1981). The police were able to determine their correct identity from their passport data. This small group had come from the Netherlands with the intention to establish themselves on Bonaire.

After those apprehensions, the investigators observed that the main suspect J.H., who resided on Curaçao, had left for Aruba. In cooperation with the Aruban police, he was put in irons yesterday, while on the verge of fleeing the country. He has been transported to Curaçao in the meantime to give account of his role. Apart from that arrest on Aruba, there were also five apprehensions on Bonaire. It regarded the male H.F. (born in 1962) and the female R.S. (1976) from China, who are suspected of human smuggling and counterfeiting documents, and the female L.F. (1991) and the males F.L. (1984) and H.L. (1986) due to violating the residence permit legislation. All five were transported also to Curaçao yesterday afternoon.

On Curaçao itself, the Division Cross Border Organized Crime with the assistance of the Criminal Investigation Cooperation Team (RST), members of the Corps Customs and of Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) together with various other KPC teams raided houses and shops from Chinese in De Savaan, Marie Pampoen, Hoenderberg, Beurs, Sta. Rosa and Brievengat. This was done under supervision of the Public Prosecutor (OM) and an examining magistrate.

Eight Chinese were arrested during these raids. That occurred under suspicion of human smuggling and counterfeiting of documents. The detainees regard the females S.W. (born in 1978) and M.H. (1989), and the male B.H. (1978). The female H.Y. (1984) and the males J.W. (1988), C.W. (1958) and F.J. (1956) were handcuffed due to violating the law regulating residence permits. The male W.C. (1981) was arrested under suspicion of violating the firearms license.

Besides arrests, the police also confiscated communication equipment, mobile telephones, computers and laptops. The police also came across various passports and a huge amount of money in various currencies: dollars, yens and guilders – one estimate it regards a converted amount of half a million guilders. By account of Commissioner Ellis, in the next phase the Division Finances of the police will also investigate the origin of the confiscated currencies. Ammunition was also confiscated during the raids. No weapons were found during the house searches.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1577 on: July 08, 2010, 07:08:30 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74977.php

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Joran calls freedom

July 8, 2010, 12:44 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22) wants to wait for trial in freedom. He has filed a request with the court in Peru. Justice takes its request pending.

Peruvian radio station RPP to this report Wednesday. Joran is in custody in the Castro Castro prison near Lima, Peru. He's here in trial against him for the murder of the student Stephany Flores (1921) on May 31 this year. The murder suspect is this week subject to a further psychological research. It examines how Joran can be held responsible for the murder of Flores. The research takes place in prison where he was stuck.

It is customary for lawyers in Peru clients trying to get out of jail pending the trial. This conditional release, the suspect in Lima remain and report weekly to the court. It is also possible to get house arrest. The request in the coming days by the court to be judged. Legal experts in Peru in the media indicated the possibility of release "minimal" to consider.

The U.S. attorney Joe Taco Pina has not decided to Joran legal in Peru to assist. Last week this newspaper reported that the lawyer would become part of a three-man team of lawyers of the accused. The judge has denied that this is the case. He would be possible Joran legal advice. Amigoe relied on reports in international media including the newspaper and Peruvian Peru21.

Youze gonna die, homey! Freedom is only a dream for you now. It will never happen.
I have a better chance of getting a lunch date with the Queen of England. Joran does not have the skills to survive in prison. The ability to hurt little defenseless
sweethearts will not get him very far. Baddest man rules - and that FO SHO ain`t gonna be Joran. He is a 5 star coward, as his poppy-san was a 5 star coward.
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« Reply #1578 on: July 08, 2010, 07:27:11 PM »

brerlee

IIRC correctly the conversation was in English ... the language that Paulus has spoken on all his talk show interviews ... the language that Joran has spoken in all his talk show interview.

I am not of the opinion that Joran's sex trade confession reflects the truth regarding what happened to Natalee but ... it is a reflection of Joran's foundational knowledge of the Aruban sex trade at a young age  prior to engaging in sex trade industry in Thailand.  In other words ... Thailand was not where it all began.

Janet

Ive always believed Joran and his father were involved in sextrades and sex scapades, Joran was groomed for this since his teens.  Joran said "we did this 20--20times before nothing bad ever happened'  No one becomes a sex trader, pimp, serial rapist,killer without the training or the trigger. Thialand was were Joran ran or was sent to when the air got too hot in aruba.
Did he sell Natalie or did he kill and dispose of her remains. That we may never know.  Not to worry Karmas a bitch and will come to bite him in the ass Im hoping sooner now than later.


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« Reply #1579 on: July 08, 2010, 07:32:20 PM »

brerlee

IIRC correctly the conversation was in English ... the language that Paulus has spoken on all his talk show interviews ... the language that Joran has spoken in all his talk show interview.

I am not of the opinion that Joran's sex trade confession reflects the truth regarding what happened to Natalee but ... it is a reflection of Joran's foundational knowledge of the Aruban sex trade at a young age  prior to engaging in sex trade industry in Thailand.  In other words ... Thailand was not where it all began.

Janet

Ive always believed Joran and his father were involved in sextrades and sex scapades, Joran was groomed for this since his teens.  Joran said "we did this 20--20times before nothing bad ever happened'  No one becomes a sex trader, pimp, serial rapist,killer without the training or the trigger. Thialand was were Joran ran or was sent to when the air got too hot in aruba.
Did he sell Natalie or did he kill and dispose of her remains. That we may never know.  Not to worry Karmas a bitch and will come to bite him in the ass Im hoping sooner now than later.


oh and Joran speaks  papiamento , dutch english and spanish. at one time or another we have heard tapes of him speaking various languages as did papa sloot
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