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« Reply #1840 on: July 13, 2010, 01:18:52 PM »

Why have they not identified the other guy ??
We do know about the one staying in the hotel and he for sure could have ripped her off .. But there was another fellow Stephanie was with days prior to Joran. Where is he.
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« Reply #1841 on: July 13, 2010, 01:38:29 PM »

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BLAINE, Wash. -- A Washington State Patrol trooper says the driver of a FedEx tractor-trailer rig choked on some spicy pork rinds, lost control of his truck on an interstate and jackknifed it before coming to a stop in a muddy ditch.

Trooper Keith Leary says Edward Sutherland was driving his rig southbound from Blaine near the Canadian border Monday when he began choking and veered from the southbound lanes across the median into northbound lanes of Interstate 5.

The trooper says the truck didn't hit any vehicles. Leary says the 42-year-old driver suffered minor injuries and will be cited for driving with wheels off the roadway.

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I posted this story because it`s funny and it is something I could see that fat pig Anita van der sloot doing one morning driving on her way to ISA school.

I see that their team bit it... and all of them had to go home in disgrace... but they should be used to that after 5 years with Joran! 
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« Reply #1842 on: July 13, 2010, 01:42:31 PM »

I think Marteen /was/is Shango..

I don't

He is an actor /writer .. Where is he now ? and why didn't peter zoom in on him ?
We did hear stories of Joran ripping him off in Thiland..what happened with that ?

Lots of questions on this guy and he involvment.. he is guilty of something I just know it..  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #1843 on: July 13, 2010, 01:45:50 PM »

Why have they not identified the other guy ??
We do know about the one staying in the hotel and he for sure could have ripped her off .. But there was another fellow Stephanie was with days prior to Joran. Where is he.


Edward,

How do you know PLE has not already questioned these people?  I'm pretty sure they have and thoroughly.  For one thing, Stephany still had the money as she had not reported it as having been stolen prior to her encounter with Sloot.

And there was no afterwards.
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« Reply #1844 on: July 13, 2010, 01:47:04 PM »

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July 13, 2010 11:43 AM
Van der Sloot Update: Where is Stephany Flores' Missing $11,000?
Posted by Naimah Jabali-Nash 1 comments

NEW YORK (CBS) Police sources in Peru have disclosed to CBS News that Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot's alleged Peruvian murder victim, had won approximately $10,000 at casinos in the week leading up to her death and also had been given $1,000 from her father to purchase a laptop that she never got a chance to buy.

PICTURES: Van der Sloot Hotel Room Crime Scene

But police sources say that this money has never been found.

Flores reportedly kept her money in the glove compartment of her car. Police documents dated June 3 obtained by CBS News show the results of the search of Stephany Flores' car: no money was found in it.

Did Joran van der Sloot take that money?

The sources say that this was the true motive for the brutal murder of Flores: van der Sloot was after her money. Police say this means that van der Sloot's alleged murder of Flores was premeditated.

But in van der Sloot's confession - which he subsequently recanted in a Dutch newspaper - police say he told them that he became enraged after Flores found information on his laptop about his links to the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

According to Peruvian newspaper La Republica, van der Sloot told police, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her and I hit her. She was scared. We argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

Crimesider spoke with ex-FBI agent Paul Lindsay, who worked for many years investigating serial killers. Lindsay believes that if reports of van der Sloot's confession are accurate, van der Sloot created the story of the e-mail and the confrontation as a way to justify his actions.

Police say he smashed in the face of Flores, the student he met playing poker before leading her back to his hotel room. According to police, van der Sloot then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

Stephany Flores' death occurred exactly five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case which van der Sloot is the main suspect. The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Stephany Flores.

Explicit crime scene photos were previously obtained exclusively by 48 Hours | Mystery from sources close to the investigation and published exclusively by Crimesider. They show a severely beaten Flores, her body badly bruised, her clothes stained with blood.

Complete Coverage of Joran van der Sloot on Crimesider.
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« Reply #1845 on: July 13, 2010, 01:47:53 PM »

I think Marteen /was/is Shango..

I don't

He is an actor /writer .. Where is he now ? and why didn't peter zoom in on him ?
We did hear stories of Joran ripping him off in Thiland..what happened with that ?

Lots of questions on this guy and he involvment.. he is guilty of something I just know it..  Monkey Devil!

You seem to be combining Martin Bakc and Matreen van den Berg?

Which one are you asking about?  One is in Holland and one in Thailand.  I hae never seen any evidence that Joran knew the one in Thailand.
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« Reply #1846 on: July 13, 2010, 01:48:27 PM »


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I found this translation of Anita's interview in Panorama interesting since she admits to Joran killing two
girls and that she has talked to him several times since he has been in Peru.
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Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, said that if her son's culpability in the murder of the peruvian Sthefany Flores and the northamerican Natalee Holloway is proven, she will never see him or help him ever again.

"If it is proven that it was him that murdererd the girl then what needs to happen must happen, Im not going to look for him in his cell, I have no motive to do it" she said in an interview for a foreign media, reproduced for the show "Panorama".

She said, Joran sufered a strong impact after his father's death, which caused a psychological disorder in her son.

"I think that Joran due to all those traumatic experiences has changed and he's really a psychiatric patient that needs help", she added.

For that reason, she said, she was thinking of having him admitted to a psychiatric clinic where he would receive adequate treatment, which was aborted when unexpectedly Joran traveled to Peru to participate in a poker tournament.

She told that he only left her a letter saying that he was traveling to Peru for a while because he had no peace in Aruba constantly persecuted for the murder of Holloway.

When he arrived in Peru, Joran talked to his mother via telephone, conversation in which Anita told him "Sink in the ground, Im not doing anymore for you", because she could foresee her son could do something bad in our country.

After some time passed and without hearing from him, she received a second call from Joran in panic, where he informed her that he was being chased because supposebly he had won a lot of money in the poker tournament and they wanted to steal it from him.

Anita narrated that he told her that in our country it was already known about his background as a suspect in the murder of Holloway which is why he would escape to Chile to seek shelter at the Netherland's embassy.

Hours later, Anita van der Sloot found out that the Peruvian police where after her son for being suspect of the murder of Stefany Flores.

"When I start finding out what is happening, because people from Holland began to call and also from America, he called me once again and said he was on his way to Chile because he was being chased and feared for his life" she stated.

"At that moment I told him that I knew he was suspect in the murder of a young peruvian woman, but he assured me that he was not guilty and that Stefany would have been murdered by the people that were after him", she added.

For a moment, she said, she believed him totatlly and recommended he presented himself to the police and sought shelter in the Holland embassy in Chile.

Nevertheless, with the irrefutable evidence of his culpability of the crime, Anita had to accept her son was a murderer.

"I think its horrible for the parents (of the murdered young ladies), I can imagine their desperation. In fact, I too have lost my own son and in some way it has been from his own doing (...). I cant imagine how those people must feel. Simply, I would like to hold those parents in my arms and cry with them a bit", she maintained.

She said she understood the families of the young ladies murdered by her son and other persons wanting the maximum sanction for him, but as his mother the last support she would give her son would be to hire him a lawyer to defend him and assure him good treatment in prison.

"Ive had a brief contact with him (after admitted to prison), but I told him that I was thankful to also think of me, but remain in your cell, I hope you feel good facing all that you have caused to those people that have lost their daughters but also the rest of your family that now one way or another we too are victims of your acts", she finalized.

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« Reply #1847 on: July 13, 2010, 01:49:54 PM »

I found the problem! Fixed.




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« Reply #1848 on: July 13, 2010, 01:52:20 PM »

Oh, dear!  I just noticed the gumline of that oldest Zoelle girl.  Now it's all I can look at when I see her photos!  Isn't that condition correctable?

Carpe, well it was my team as well and I thought they played a pretty good game.  Not all Dutch are Slooters.  In fact he had to leave there to attend school because they were chasing him in the streets.

Speaking of which, where are our Dutch posters and translators?  Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, sotaspeak.
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« Reply #1849 on: July 13, 2010, 01:56:52 PM »

Did Anita give ANOTHER interview or are they still carrying on about her first one?  It sounds as though it is new.  I hope she didn't get even more money from her son's crimes.
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« Reply #1850 on: July 13, 2010, 02:03:30 PM »

Oh, dear!  I just noticed the gumline of that oldest Zoelle girl.  Now it's all I can look at when I see her photos!  Isn't that condition correctable?

Carpe, well it was my team as well and I thought they played a pretty good game.  Not all Dutch are Slooters.  In fact he had to leave there to attend school because they were chasing him in the streets.

Speaking of which, where are our Dutch posters and translators?  Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, sotaspeak.

Yes, don`t get me wrong... Anna. I don`t hate Dutch people. Peter Devries dropped a megaton bomb on Joran... and helped take him out. For that I am VERY THANKFUL.

I just want whatever team the Van der rapes and the Zeollas rooting for to eat dirt.

If they were rooting for Yankees... I would want them to lose.

I get a great amount of enjoyment in tinkling in their Wheaties. I enjoy it soooooo much!

I think it is destiny. I was made for this. It is my calling.
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« Reply #1851 on: July 13, 2010, 02:08:31 PM »

Did Anita give ANOTHER interview or are they still carrying on about her first one?  It sounds as though it is new.  I hope she didn't get even more money from her son's crimes.


And this one sounds as though she is suddenly admitting that Joran killed BOTH girls!  While I don't believe a word she says, she is trying to give the impression she is washing her hands of Joran.

We shall see about that.  Why should she pay for him an attorney instead of letting him just use the court appoonted one?

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« Reply #1852 on: July 13, 2010, 02:12:35 PM »

Carpe, I understand.  Yes, it's fun to rain on their parade after all the things they have done to Beth.

Anita could start with a big fat apology.  So could all the Arubans but guess they are sticking to their lame position that there was no evidence in Natalee's disappearance when everybody knows they only refused to collect it.  I'd bet there was plenty and especially at the sloot house.  The drains alone would likely have gotten an conviction in any country that practiced real investigative work.

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« Reply #1853 on: July 13, 2010, 02:13:39 PM »

I think Marteen /was/is Shango..

I don't

He is an actor /writer .. Where is he now ? and why didn't peter zoom in on him ?
We did hear stories of Joran ripping him off in Thiland..what happened with that ?

Lots of questions on this guy and he involvment.. he is guilty of something I just know it..  Monkey Devil!

You seem to be combining Martin Bakc and Matreen van den Berg?

Which one are you asking about?  One is in Holland and one in Thailand.  I hae never seen any evidence that Joran knew the one in Thailand.

The one I am referring to is the one living in Thailand... He also has his own web site and likes little girls..   
He and Joran supposedly had some contact in Thailand, although I can't trust any information as fact in this case. Accurate information ? .. I have seen very little even from trusted sources..
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« Reply #1854 on: July 13, 2010, 02:16:58 PM »

Edward, Well, it was the one in Holland that Joran swindled out of the money.

Agree that the creep factor for the on in Thailand was off the chart but not sure contact with Joran was ever made.  He did attack himself to MySpace and other social pages of Arubans but don't think he did Joran.  Mostly young girls.
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« Reply #1855 on: July 13, 2010, 02:18:06 PM »

Why have they not identified the other guy ??
We do know about the one staying in the hotel and he for sure could have ripped her off .. But there was another fellow Stephanie was with days prior to Joran. Where is he.


Edward,

How do you know PLE has not already questioned these people?  I'm pretty sure they have and thoroughly.  For one thing, Stephany still had the money as she had not reported it as having been stolen prior to her encounter with Sloot.

And there was no afterwards.


NEW YORK (CBS) Police sources in Peru have disclosed to CBS News that Stephany Flores, Joran van der Sloot's alleged Peruvian murder victim, had won approximately $10,000 at casinos in the week leading up to her death and also had been given $1,000 from her father to purchase a laptop that she never got a chance to buy.
But police sources say that this money has never been found.

Flores reportedly kept her money in the glove compartment of her car. Police documents dated June 3 obtained by CBS News show the results of the search of Stephany Flores' car: no money was found in it.

Did Joran van der Sloot take that money?

The sources say that this was the true motive for the brutal murder of Flores: van der Sloot was after her money. Police say this means that van der Sloot's alleged murder of Flores was premeditated.

But in van der Sloot's confession - which he subsequently recanted in a Dutch newspaper - police say he told them that he became enraged after Flores found information on his laptop about his links to the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway.

According to Peruvian newspaper La Republica, van der Sloot told police, "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her and I hit her. She was scared. We argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

Crimesider spoke with ex-FBI agent Paul Lindsay, who worked for many years investigating serial killers. Lindsay believes that if reports of van der Sloot's confession are accurate, van der Sloot created the story of the e-mail and the confrontation as a way to justify his actions.

Police say he smashed in the face of Flores, the student he met playing poker before leading her back to his hotel room. According to police, van der Sloot then strangled her, threw her to the floor and emptied her wallet.

Stephany Flores' death occurred exactly five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case which van der Sloot is the main suspect. The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Stephany Flores.

Explicit crime scene photos were previously obtained exclusively by 48 Hours | Mystery from sources close to the investigation and published exclusively by Crimesider. They show a severely beaten Flores, her body badly bruised, her clothes stained with blood.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010376-504083.html
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« Reply #1856 on: July 13, 2010, 02:18:46 PM »

Edward, Well, it was the one in Holland that Joran swindled out of the money.

Agree that the creep factor for the on in Thailand was off the chart but not sure contact with Joran was ever made.  He did attack himself to MySpace and other social pages of Arubans but don't think he did Joran.  Mostly young girls.

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« Reply #1857 on: July 13, 2010, 02:20:38 PM »

If someone took Stephany's money before Joran killed her, she would have reported it to the police.  since she didn't she must have still had it when she encountered Joran.

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« Reply #1858 on: July 13, 2010, 02:24:16 PM »

Sounds reasonable.

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So nice to have the new server.  Thanks to all!! 

I found this translation of Anita's interview in Panorama interesting since she admits to Joran killing two
girls and that she has talked to him several times since he has been in Peru.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
Anita van der Sloot, mother of Joran van der Sloot, said that if her son's culpability in the murder of the peruvian Sthefany Flores and the northamerican Natalee Holloway is proven, she will never see him or help him ever again.

"If it is proven that it was him that murdererd the girl then what needs to happen must happen, Im not going to look for him in his cell, I have no motive to do it" she said in an interview for a foreign media, reproduced for the show "Panorama".

She said, Joran sufered a strong impact after his father's death, which caused a psychological disorder in her son.

"I think that Joran due to all those traumatic experiences has changed and he's really a psychiatric patient that needs help", she added.

For that reason, she said, she was thinking of having him admitted to a psychiatric clinic where he would receive adequate treatment, which was aborted when unexpectedly Joran traveled to Peru to participate in a poker tournament.

She told that he only left her a letter saying that he was traveling to Peru for a while because he had no peace in Aruba constantly persecuted for the murder of Holloway.

When he arrived in Peru, Joran talked to his mother via telephone, conversation in which Anita told him "Sink in the ground, Im not doing anymore for you", because she could foresee her son could do something bad in our country.

After some time passed and without hearing from him, she received a second call from Joran in panic, where he informed her that he was being chased because supposebly he had won a lot of money in the poker tournament and they wanted to steal it from him.

Anita narrated that he told her that in our country it was already known about his background as a suspect in the murder of Holloway which is why he would escape to Chile to seek shelter at the Netherland's embassy.

Hours later, Anita van der Sloot found out that the Peruvian police where after her son for being suspect of the murder of Stefany Flores.

"When I start finding out what is happening, because people from Holland began to call and also from America, he called me once again and said he was on his way to Chile because he was being chased and feared for his life" she stated.

"At that moment I told him that I knew he was suspect in the murder of a young peruvian woman, but he assured me that he was not guilty and that Stefany would have been murdered by the people that were after him", she added.

For a moment, she said, she believed him totatlly and recommended he presented himself to the police and sought shelter in the Holland embassy in Chile.

Nevertheless, with the irrefutable evidence of his culpability of the crime, Anita had to accept her son was a murderer.

"I think its horrible for the parents (of the murdered young ladies), I can imagine their desperation. In fact, I too have lost my own son and in some way it has been from his own doing (...). I cant imagine how those people must feel. Simply, I would like to hold those parents in my arms and cry with them a bit", she maintained.

She said she understood the families of the young ladies murdered by her son and other persons wanting the maximum sanction for him, but as his mother the last support she would give her son would be to hire him a lawyer to defend him and assure him good treatment in prison.

"Ive had a brief contact with him (after admitted to prison), but I told him that I was thankful to also think of me, but remain in your cell, I hope you feel good facing all that you have caused to those people that have lost their daughters but also the rest of your family that now one way or another we too are victims of your acts", she finalized.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-07-11--de-ser-culpable-no-vere-mas-a-mi-hijo--dice-madre-de-van-der-sloot-noticia_279198.html



Victims of your own stupidity - you fat old bag of lying crap!!!!!!! No mercy, baby.

Those days are LONG GONE. You get mercy only after you`ve done the right thing.

...and it is a time sensitive offer. The window is only open for a limited time.

If Stephany or Natalee`s parents held you in their arms... we`d need an army of men
to unwrap the hands from choking Anita to death.
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