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« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2010, 01:19:26 PM »

It is not just the Kalpoes ..BUT They do know all..

Jorans pattern of behavior with Stephanie shows us that THEY most likely took Natalee too a donated Hotel Room back in 2005 on the roack called ARUBA..

This implicates Hotel personal as well as Casino Personal and last but not least Carlos and Charlies employees.
Then later it involves LE such as Van stratten and his buddies and after that it involves Judges like Smid..

Pull one string and ARUBA comes apart at the seams.

Keep Joran isolated from ANYBODY associated to the rock called ARUBA. Joran will sing one day soon...
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Once it finally sinks in to Joran that he is out of options or appeals -- he will go "scorched earth" and will start throwing everyone under the bus.
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« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2010, 01:31:40 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74513.php

American customs officer to appear before the judge
26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)


ORANJESTAD ó An American customs officer will have to appear before the judge within short. The customs officer is to give evidence in a drug smuggling case.

A pro forma session for the case against suspect W.I.B. was held yesterday. The latter was caught with drug packages in his suitcase on March 1st 2010. According to the suspect, the customs officer had told him there were no drugs in his suitcase. However, the police statement mentioned the opposite and the customs officer confirmed the suitcase contained drugs. In order to remove all obscurity, the officer of justice decided to call the customs officer in question to testify. This will take place on July 2nd, when the case is continued.
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« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2010, 01:33:19 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74514.php

ATF officers in KIA
26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD ó The American M.W.P. stated before the judge yesterday, that American narcotics officers had interrogated him in the KIA prison. Apparently, this occurred with permission of the Public Prosecutor (OM).
The suspect was caught at Reina Beatrix airport on March 1st this year when he wanted to smuggle drugs to the United States.

American officers had visited the suspect in prison because they wanted to know more about the drugs in connection with an extensive investigation in the United States.

During the session on Friday, the suspectís lawyer stated that the US wants his client to be extradited to America. However, the officer of Justice said he knew nothing about this and had not received an extradition request. Moreover, the judge stated, the American authorities have nothing to say about the court procedure on Aruba. According to the OM, the case will be tried here. If America wants to have the male extradited after the criminal case is tried, then one must simply follow the normal extradition procedure, according to the officer. The judge will try the case as regards contents on July 29th.
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« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2010, 01:33:23 PM »

Another interesting article out of Aruba. What was the ATF thinking? Don't the know they have to inform the judges and get thier permission first.(sarcasm)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74514.php

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ORANJESTAD ó The American M.W.P. stated before the judge yesterday, that American narcotics officers had interrogated him in the KIA prison. Apparently, this occurred with permission of the Public Prosecutor (OM).
The suspect was caught at Reina Beatrix airport on March 1st this year when he wanted to smuggle drugs to the United States.
American officers had visited the suspect in prison because they wanted to know more about the drugs in connection with an extensive investigation in the United States.
During the session on Friday, the suspectís lawyer stated that the US wants his client to be extradited to America. However, the officer of Justice said he knew nothing about this and had not received an extradition request. Moreover, the judge stated, the American authorities have nothing to say about the court procedure on Aruba. According to the OM, the case will be tried here. If America wants to have the male extradited after the criminal case is tried, then one must simply follow the normal extradition procedure, according to the officer. The judge will try the case as regards contents on July 29th.

 
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« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2010, 01:33:47 PM »

I am beginning to think that Joran axtually believed he "got away with it" in Aruba.  He doesn't seem to undrstand that it took half the the island to cover for him.  I believe he really thinks he committed the perfect crime.

Now he is confused when he can't get the same results in Peru.

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« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2010, 01:34:30 PM »

I'm not as fast as Klaas. LOL
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« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2010, 01:37:33 PM »

IFA MAN - Peter DeWitte (ex Aruba Chief of Police)





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« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2010, 01:40:47 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74514.php

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26 Jun, 2010, 08:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD ó The American M.W.P. stated before the judge yesterday, that American narcotics officers had interrogated him in the KIA prison. Apparently, this occurred with permission of the Public Prosecutor (OM).
The suspect was caught at Reina Beatrix airport on March 1st this year when he wanted to smuggle drugs to the United States.

American officers had visited the suspect in prison because they wanted to know more about the drugs in connection with an extensive investigation in the United States.

During the session on Friday, the suspectís lawyer stated that the US wants his client to be extradited to America. However, the officer of Justice said he knew nothing about this and had not received an extradition request. Moreover, the judge stated, the American authorities have nothing to say about the court procedure on Aruba. According to the OM, the case will be tried here. If America wants to have the male extradited after the criminal case is tried, then one must simply follow the normal extradition procedure, according to the officer. The judge will try the case as regards contents on July 29th.

So who is the American in Kia that tried to smuggle drugs FROM Aruba to the US?

MWP? (Michael Posner.....Mark Purcell....Mark Purcell Jr.....someone we've never heard of likely)
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« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2010, 01:45:29 PM »

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news&id=3936339

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006


By Chuck Goudie

February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.

The I-Team has learned that the casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.

Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.

In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case. Van der Slout admits having had a romantic encounter with Holloway, but in an exclusive interview to air Thursday night on Primetime, he says he is no criminal.

"I think I've been portrayed unfairly. I've been portrayed as a murderer and a rapist and everything that I'm not," van der Sloot said.

Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner: (MWP)

    * aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.

    * his family still resides in Riverwoods.

    * his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

    * criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

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« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2010, 01:46:44 PM »

Jean Casarez was just on HLN.  She was showing the courtroom and benches, etc. at Ccastro Castro prison yet again.  She certainly has gotten the mileage out of that little snippet of film.

Then she told the news we have known for days that the judge declared Joran's complaints baseless.

She further said the attorney of Joran said he will attempt to paralyze the proceedings.  And he will appeal the ruling on the confession and take the rights charges to the international organization for human rights in the Americas that we knew about Friday.

But she pointed out repeatedly that it is Joran's attorney seeking to "paralyze" (his word) the proceedings.

Well, of course  he would like to do that.  And that internatonal organization does not have any authority.  They can only make recommendations and can't enforce anything so he is just taking Anita's media money for a ride.

Showboat and charge a lot seem to be his strategy.


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« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2010, 01:50:59 PM »

Surely at 70 plus years of age, Posner is not acting as a drug mule.

I thought the Chicago Mob had a better retirement plan than that, lol.

Wouldn't it be something if it is one of the Purcell's?  Now that would be some major karma!

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« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2010, 01:52:58 PM »

Jean Casarez was just on HLN.  She was showing the courtroom and benches, etc. at Ccastro Castro prison yet again.  She certainly has gotten the mileage out of that little snippet of film.

Then she told the news we have known for days that the judge declared Joran's complaints baseless.

She further said the attorney of Joran said he will attempt to paralyze the proceedings.  And he will appeal the ruling on the confession and take the rights charges to the international organization for human rights in the Americas that we knew about Friday.

But she pointed out repeatedly that it is Joran's attorney seeking to "paralyze" (his word) the proceedings.

Well, of course  he would like to do that.  And that internatonal organization does not have any authority.  They can only make recommendations and can't enforce anything so he is just taking Anita's media money for a ride.

Showboat and charge a lot seem to be his strategy.


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Good. The longer the trial of Joran takes, the sooner the money for his defense will run out.
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You have to give Joran credit. He found a way to travel extensively without it costing him a dime.
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« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2010, 01:54:27 PM »

I'm not as fast as Klaas. LOL

I posted them both in the last thread, lol. 

The MWP initials are different in other articles.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2010, 01:59:38 PM »

Hey, if you can spare the time today... be sure and swing by the KPA Aruban Police website and light them the ef up! A lot of people are telling them what is on their minds about what was done to Natalee and her family.

....and that`s a good thing.

Remember: Any help, is a lot of help.



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Date:     6/17/2010, 4:16 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     148



HEY MISTER EX BRITISH PLICE OFFICER, I GUESS THE QUEEN WON'T BE TOO HPPY WITH YOUR SPLLING, WHAT LAWS DO YOU HAVE IN JOLLY OLD ENGLAND?

ONCE MORE FOR THE LEGALLY IMPAIRED, THE ARUBAN POLICE WORK UNDER DUTCH LAW AND THE DUTCH LAW, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER LAW. HAS IT'S LIMITATIONS/SHORT COMINGS.

I GUESS YOU GUYS NEVER BOTCHED A CASE, I GUESS THAT IS WHY THE ENGLISH AND IRISH ARE GETTING ALONG SO LOVINGLY.

PLEASE GIVE ME/US A BREAK, MR EX BRITISH PLICE OFFICER.



Date:     6/17/2010, 2:56 pm, GMT +1
Name:     Andy
Email:     ultramac01@msn.com
Number:     147



As an Ex British plice officer who has followed the Holloway case, I feel that the Aruban Police are totally incompetent. It is evident that Van der Sloots family's connections have helped him 'Get Away with Murder'



Date:     6/16/2010, 2:25 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     146



THEORY:
THE FBI HAS A STING ON JORAN BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR MONEY IN RETURN FOR INFO ON THE LOCATION WHERE NATALEE'S BODY WAS BURIED, RIGHT?

QUESTION:
WHERE THEY TRACKING HIS WHEREABOUTS?
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CAN COME UP WITH THE INFORMATION THAT HE HAS A BUSSINESS IN THAILAND, HE WAS COLOMBIA AND HE WENT TO PERU.
SO BASICALLY I BELIEVE THE FBI KNEW EXACTLY WHERE JORAN WAS AND WHAT HE WAS DOING.

QUESTION:
WHERE THEY WATCHING HIM?
DID THEY HAVE OPERATIVES ON HIM IN PERU?
DID THEY EVER NOTIFY THEIR BUREAU IN PERU THAT JORAN WAS THERE?
IF THEY DID, WHY DID THEY LET HIM APPROACH ANOTHER YOUNG GIRL IN THE SAME WAY HE MET NATALEE (CASINO)?

THERE ARE ALOT OF HOLES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED, JUST SOMETHING TO MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMM



Date:     6/16/2010, 2:11 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     145



CATHY I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW BUT A CRIME IS STILL A CRIME NO MATTER HOW MUCH PEOPLE RESIDE IN THAT COUNTRY. MY POINT IS PEOPLE LIKE EJOHN303, NANCY GRACE, BILL O'REILLY MAKE COMMENTS GENERALIZING OUR PEOPLE, OUR CULTURE AS TO BEING IDIOTS AND CORRUPT. THE ARUBAN AUTHORITIES DID EVERYTHING WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE DUTCH LAW, AND I REPEAT THE DUTCH LAW, NOT THE AMERICAN OR THE PERUVIAN LAW AND STILL THEY MAKE COMMENTS THAT ARE HURTFULL AND DEGRADING ABOUT MY ISLAND OF WHICH THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. THEY COME TO ARUBA AND THEY TAKE PICTURES OF THE DRUG ADDICTS AND SLUMS THEY LIVE IN JUST TO GET RATINGS. BUT THEY NEVER SPOKE TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT ALL THE WORKERS THAT WERE GIVEN DAYS OFF SO THEY CAN HELP IN THE SEARCH OF NATALEE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. AS FOR YOUR INFLUX OF MEXICANS AND CUBANS YOU THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM? YOU THINK WE REACHED A POPULATION OF 100,000 JUST BY HAVING KIDS?

IN YOUR 360,000,000 AND STILL GROWING USA,THERE ARE DECENT PEOPLE THAT REPSECT LIFE AND THE LAW BUT THERE IS ALSO THAT DARK SIDE THAT DOESN'T REPSECT LIFE NOR THE LAW AND THAT IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF WHEN THEY WANT TO PAINT US, AS AN ISLAND, AS A DEN OF PIRATES AND THIEVES, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME SITUATION IN AMERICA 1000000 TIMES WORST THAN US. SO DON'T COME JUDGE US WHEN TWO BLOCKS DOWN FROM YOUR OR SOME HOUSE IN THE GREAT US OF A, SOMEONE IS SELLING DRUGS, KIDNAPPING A PERSON OR BEING KILLED, GO AND RALLY AGAINST THAT. GO ONLINE AND COMMENT ABOUT HOW YOUR LAWS ARE NOT WORKING TO STOP CRIME IN AMERICA.

KARMA HAS CAUGHT UP WITH JORAN AND NOW HE WILL PAY FOR HIS CRIMES AND THE STAIN HE HAS BROUGHT ON MY ISLAND. I DON'T WANT HIM EXTRADITED, I PRAY THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM IN THE PERUVIAN JAIL SO HE CAN SIT OUT HIS WHOLE SENTENCE AND SUFFER FOR WHAT HE DID TO THOSE TWO YOUNG GIRLS. YES BRAVO CHILE AND PERU GOOD JOB NOW LOCK HIS ....... UP.



Date:     6/16/2010, 12:38 am, GMT +1
Name:     LYNN
Number:     144



BRAVO !! To Chilean Police...........
BRAVO !! To Peruvian Police......



Date:     6/15/2010, 11:39 pm, GMT +1
Name:     CATHY
Number:     143



THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THAT HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT. IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT ANOTHER PERSON HAD TO DIE FIRST. AS FOR THE LOG IN THE EYE OF THE US JUS4ALL, ARUBA HAS A POPULATION OF 110,000 THATS A VERY SMALL CITY HERE. THE US HAS 360,000,000 AND GROWING EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEXICANS AND CUBANS POURING IN. AND WITH THE GROWING POPULATION, THE CRIME RATE ALSO GROWS. SO I GUESS ALL OF YOUR STATISTICS WOULD BE VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THE US.



Date:     6/15/2010, 1:43 pm, GMT +1
Name:     JUS4ALL
Number:     142



hey ejohn303@yahoo.com you are the idiot, if you came to aruba and committed a murder believe you me, the Arubans will want to lynch your ass aswell. How stupid are you? If I were Peruvian I would want justice also, Joran committed the crime in Peru of course the people want to kill him. Why don't you go in the streets and attack all the drug dealers that are killing your young kids everyday with the drugs they are selling, oohhhhhh sorry you don't have the balls for that. I am sure your sitting in your safe little home do something about that. Coward. Furthermore we in Aruba don't need no narrow minded people here on our island go somewhere else where we don't have to put up with your ignorance and arrogance.



Date:     6/14/2010, 11:42 pm, GMT +1
Name:     John
Email:     ejohn303@yahoo.com
Number:     141



Thankfully there is a county on this planet that knows how to deal with murderers like Joran. The Aruba police are complete idiots. All of these postings attest to that. There is no justice there. I would never set foot on that piece of crap island. The people in Peru are outraged as they should be. I don't recall any scenes like that happening in Aruba regarding Natalee. With any luck Juran is tortured in prison until he tells the world of all of his killings. As for his family, let him waste away in prison rather than spend your last few dollars defending him.


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« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2010, 02:06:13 PM »

The Chicago Outfit has a great retirement plan..

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« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2010, 02:08:21 PM »

I'm not as fast as Klaas. LOL

I posted them both in the last thread, lol. 

The MWP initials are different in other articles.

I figured you posted already, LOL.  Wouldn't it be something if it's Posner?  I don't think the Purcell's because I believe their middle name is Ivan.
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« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2010, 02:19:08 PM »

Posner is right in the middle of this whole thing..

His lawyer stated in 2005.. Posner has nothin to do with nothin..
Spoken like a East Coast attorney from Chicago representing Mob figures.

It would not surprize me as Luis Mansur did not surprize me and as you all know Luis and Eric are on my list too.
Luis for his drug dealing and people that fear him .. Eric for the production of the Gardner witness.

I do not trust any of them.. lol
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Throw in the owners of Carlos and Charlies too.




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« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2010, 02:23:40 PM »

I'm not as fast as Klaas. LOL

I posted them both in the last thread, lol. 

The MWP initials are different in other articles.

I figured you posted already, LOL.  Wouldn't it be something if it's Posner?  I don't think the Purcell's because I believe their middle name is Ivan.

I was thinking the same.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2010, 02:26:14 PM »

Peter R. de Vries has had enough of Joran

Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 at 11:00

Peter R. de Vries has had it with Joran van der Sloot. He does not plan to report all the developments from Peru surrounding the murder suspect. "The news is now literally provided from hour to hour on internet sites. I follow everything but don't think it has any added value if I will go to Peru myself," he says in Veronica Magazine. "I'll leave that to the media who previously accused me of being on a witch hunt against Joran."

http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=73422
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« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2010, 02:28:06 PM »

Peter R. de Vries has had enough of Joran

Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2010 at 11:00

Peter R. de Vries has had it with Joran van der Sloot. He does not plan to report all the developments from Peru surrounding the murder suspect. "The news is now literally provided from hour to hour on internet sites. I follow everything but don't think it has any added value if I will go to Peru myself," he says in Veronica Magazine. "I'll leave that to the media who previously accused me of being on a witch hunt against Joran."

http://www.mediacourant.nl/?p=73422

I don't blame him.  He tried and nobody would listen.  Now Stephany is murdered by Joran.  I don't blame him for not wanting to spend the time and money traveling to Peru. 
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