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« Reply #940 on: July 02, 2010, 08:40:52 AM »

Good Morning Monks. I  wanted to try to get a post in this morning to tell all of you thanks for articles and updates...I am in the rafters, but I am with everyone.....
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« Reply #941 on: July 02, 2010, 08:59:31 AM »

Good Morning Monks. I  wanted to try to get a post in this morning to tell all of you thanks for articles and updates...I am in the rafters, but I am with everyone.....

Me too Sunny. I'm shaking my head and thinking OMG, how do you all keep up?? This whole case is such an intricate spider web, making Casey's case look like child's play. But I'm watching and reading and trying to understand it all.

Personally, with Paulus dead, I would think that those who helped him cover up in the Natalee case would want Joran dead. Maybe they were waiting an "acceptable" amount of time before Joran committed "suicide"? But then Joran killed again. What is a country to do??

Bless you monkey's for doing all this work, I'm sure Natalee is up there smiling at this cage.
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« Reply #942 on: July 02, 2010, 09:01:56 AM »

I don't know, I googled JVDS missing girls Thailand and up came the following link.  Same picture and title, but some of the comments attached to that page are older, with only 1 dated today.  Could this be an old story, the Colombian one and it was mistakenly marked as Thailand?

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/01/cops-joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-he-knows-location-of-natalee-holloways-body/#comments

Definately dated today but she didn't report on it tonight.  Mostly just the Kyron case tonight which makes sense.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are looking in to missing girls in Thailand and a Joran connection:


I've always suspected that the rumors of him dealing in human trafficking were true. I betcha there is a trail of missing teens that has followed him where ever he has been.
Thailand, Columbia, Aruba, and Peru. This guy and his disregard for women makes them disposable to him, so there are definately more.

How long was he in Chile??? heh.
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« Reply #943 on: July 02, 2010, 09:18:43 AM »



http://www.nujij.nl/nieuwe-strip-joran-belt-zijn-moeder.9098998.lynkx

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« Reply #944 on: July 02, 2010, 09:20:19 AM »

911.....where are you Keepthefaith????
I've wondered too!!

I've been thinking this for over a week.

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« Reply #946 on: July 02, 2010, 10:25:50 AM »

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Thanks Klaas.  That's a lonnnnng time, lol.  :monkeyeek:
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #947 on: July 02, 2010, 10:38:32 AM »

http://www.diario.aw/2010/07/joran-van-der-sloot-acusa-di-fraude-y-extorsion/



joran van der sloot acusa by fraude y extorsion

publication: diabierna, 2 july 2010. categoria: general corte by alabama owing to dicta…

oranjestad (aan): all day joran van der sloot is in news internacional. at present owing to depart publica cu at corte by alabama owing to say cu joran van der sloot owing to ask $250 thousand dollar at the family by natalee holloway owing to cambio by informacion tocante the paradero by the young. wel this do not nothing new at aruba, but at present one jury by alabama, owing to acusa yesterday joran van der sloot, sospechoso by owing to kill stephany flores, by fraude electronico y extorsion, according the departamento by husticia mericano. according the acusacion, van der sloot owing to succeed one transferencia by $15 thousand dollar for by beth twitty, mam by natalee on her cuenta at the netherlands y another suma by $10 thousand dollar before one advocate at new york cu will owing to trece the coin aruba. “unbez identifica the curpa, beth twitty will have to owing to pay the restante $225 thousand dollar at van der sloot”, the departamento by husticia owing to indica. according the corant peru 21, fbi, cu will owing to graba one encuentro at aruba during cual joran owing to acepta the suma by $10 thousand dollar owing to wordo critica very quite self for her mature cu they not owing to detene at instant cu the agentenan conhuntamente cu the autoridadnan by aruba was have the oportunidad by hacie.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #948 on: July 02, 2010, 10:55:07 AM »

I just wanted to say "Good Morning" and wish everyone a fun and safe holiday weekend.

Just wanted to chime in with this (my opinion) --

Regardless of the FBI's charges, or charges that may arise elsewhere, PERU HAS HIM. Not only that, but Peru has a strong case in a serious crime. He'll be tried and sentenced there first.

I do think that once that happens, he could be brought to the U.S. for the extortion trial, as opposed to waiting until he completes his sentence in Peru. The reason would be that witnesses (JQK, possibly someone in ALE, etc.) might forget details, become too ill, die, etc., over a long interim.

I can't call up a specific instance of that, especially among multiple countries, but I'm pretty sure it has happened.
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Why did they have to disappear her body?

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« Reply #949 on: July 02, 2010, 10:57:13 AM »

I don't know, I googled JVDS missing girls Thailand and up came the following link.  Same picture and title, but some of the comments attached to that page are older, with only 1 dated today.  Could this be an old story, the Colombian one and it was mistakenly marked as Thailand?

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/01/cops-joran-van-der-sloot-confesses-he-knows-location-of-natalee-holloways-body/#comments

That's what I think, and what I thought when I originally saw it.  Clerical error by the CNN staff.
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« Reply #950 on: July 02, 2010, 11:00:25 AM »

THE SEIZURES

According to Joran van der Sloot

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem


Joran: By the corner, by the Marriot, between the Marriott and the fisherman's hut. There is a road. I get out and walk with her on the beach. I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look too good. Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted (it), she really wanted (it). So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did. Shaking, yes, very bad. So I was like, "Shit, what is this?" 

Patrick: What did you do then? 

Joran: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody. 

Patrick: Of course, no one is there, it's night time Joran. 

Joran: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking, 

Patrick: How long did she shake then? Do you know what it is? 

Joran: I don't know. 

Patrick: An epileptic episode, or something, man. She was shaking and foam also, from her mouth? 

Joran: No, no foam from her mouth. Not that I saw ...


According to Beth Holloway

CNN Larry King Live - February 7, 2008

 
BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  When he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?
 
And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


On the Record w/ Greta - February 07, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE'S MOTHER:  And you know, when you're hearing it, some of the things that I was hearing — of course, the first thing that struck me when Peter was telling me — and there were some camera crews around. And Peter began to disclose to me how Joran described Natalee's condition, the shaking. And I tell you, Greta, I mean, I had to ask everyone to leave the room. I wanted everyone out.

I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN,HOST: Do you think, if the Aruban police asked that question within 48 hours of Natalee disappearing, and now we hear it on the tape with Joran two-and-a-half or three-and-a-half years later, whatever it is by now — do you think the Aruban police heard him say that? Do you think he told that to the Aruban police that night when they talked to him?

HOLLOWAY: I have absolutely no doubt that the only reason why that question was asked of us was they had a confession or an admission of this from Joran Van Der Sloot himself. So definitely. There is no way that we can tie what Joran said — you know, no way that we cannot tie when Joran said during that taped interview to what was asked of us from Dennis Jacobs not — within 48 hours. Absolutely. Absolutely, they knew.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


According to Jug Twitty

Nancy Grace - February 15, 2008


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER:  Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


According to Gerold Dompig
 
48 Hours Mystery - March 22, 2006


Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page5.shtml
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« Reply #951 on: July 02, 2010, 11:02:57 AM »

Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

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« Reply #952 on: July 02, 2010, 11:04:34 AM »

In death recall Evangelical Stephany Flores murdered by Joran van der Sloot

Lima .- A month after his departure from Stephany Flores who was killed by the citizen Joran van der Sloot's family and closest friends held a celebration in the Christian and Missionary Alliance Church, in the district of La Molina.

Ricardo Flores, father of Stephany, with excited words and a Bible in hand, grateful for the participation of those present at the religious ceremony held in memory of his daughter. The meeting was chaired by the Eucharistic minister Javier Cortazar.

Flores recommended leaving parents always remain aware of their children and be near them to teach them what is being experienced across the world. "Teach your children that there is another way of life that we never teach our children," she said.

http://www.agenciaorbita.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9472:en-iglesia-evangelica-recuerdan-muerte-de-stephany-flores-asesinada-por-joran-van-der-sloot&catid=31:cristianas&Itemid=46
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« Reply #953 on: July 02, 2010, 11:09:39 AM »

Where is our friend, Sandy Levia?


here I am tylergal   lol  sl
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« Reply #954 on: July 02, 2010, 11:12:01 AM »

Where is our friend, Sandy Levia?


here I am tylergal   lol  sl

Good to see you.  You were missed! 
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« Reply #955 on: July 02, 2010, 11:12:37 AM »

(Some Video of Stephany's memorial and images )

Father of slain Peruvian student hopes others learn from her death

Lima, Peru (CNN) -- Hours after he spoke to a judge for the first time about his daughter's killing, Stephany Flores' father told family and friends at a memorial service that he hoped others would learn from her death.

Ricardo Flores said Wednesday he had sheltered his children too much from the evils of the world.

"Sometimes we're wrong, and I have been wrong a lot. Because I have permitted my kids to know the good, and not the bad. My kids have everything, but also we have to take away from them sometimes," he said. "Don't commit the error that I made."

Authorities say 21-year-old Stephany Flores was killed a month ago. Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot was charged with first-degree murder and robbery after authorities found Flores' body in a Lima, Peru, hotel room registered to him.

Ricardo Flores, who helped search for his daughter when she didn't come home May 30 after a night out at a casino, gave a formal statement about the facts surrounding the case to a judge Wednesday.

Later in the day, about 300 people gathered at a Lima temple for the memorial service. Peru's National Police Chorus sang "Eternal Love" while a slideshow of photographs flashed on a projector screen. Longtime friends remembered Stephany Flores as "a great friend" with a "contagious smile."

Stephany Flores came from a privileged family, but was a humble person who was extremely giving, friends told CNN.

She once wrote a list of 23 businesses that she wanted to do well in, and then checked them off one by one as she decided whether she was really interested in pursuing them.

At the time of her death, Flores had told her friends she was the happiest she had ever been, they said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, but he has not been charged in that case.

Police said van der Sloot admitted that he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail in his computer connected with the Holloway case.

After killing Flores, police say, van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested June 3.

He was returned the next day to Peru.

Van der Sloot is being held at the Miguel Castro Castro Prison in a high-security area where only two of the 10 cells are occupied. He has no contact with the general prison population.

Van der Sloot's attorney filed an appeal Wednesday to a ruling that upheld the admissibility of his client's confession and the legality of his detention.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/01/peru.murder.case.memorial/
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« Reply #956 on: July 02, 2010, 11:24:47 AM »

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Okay, I'll say it -- EVERYONE else is also thinking it. This site/forum is popular enough to be able to afford a decent server for the traffic it generates. It is not just for my selfish interest - it is for Klaas. It is just shameful that the UNBELIEVABLE time and effort she has put here for over 5 years at little or NO compensation is being treated like this.
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« Reply #957 on: July 02, 2010, 11:38:27 AM »

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Okay, I'll say it -- EVERYONE else is also thinking it. This site/forum is popular enough to be able to afford a decent server for the traffic it generates. It is not just for my selfish interest - it is for Klaas. It is just shameful that the UNBELIEVABLE time and effort she has put here for over 5 years at little or NO compensation is being treated like this.


Neither the site owner nor any member of admin can say anything about it but posters can say that if we all used the Amazon search box, it would also generate income for the site.  They are not allowed to solicit use of it by posters but if we all went to Amazon routinely, bought all our stuff there through SM, it would have to make a difference.

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« Reply #958 on: July 02, 2010, 11:58:57 AM »

Joran..You Moron cry baby.. You disgust me.
No backbone accept when you hurt little girls.
You did the crime you dumb ass, now do the time.

I hate you.. I hope somebody in that prison treats you really bad.


It is all a game to Joran and his cry baby ways are just to cause something to happen in his favor.
He is a turd.
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I'm moving your post to Natalee Holloway Thread #842, Edward.  You inadvertently posted in a no discussion thread.  MuffyBee
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« Reply #959 on: July 02, 2010, 12:01:27 PM »

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Okay, I'll say it -- EVERYONE else is also thinking it. This site/forum is popular enough to be able to afford a decent server for the traffic it generates. It is not just for my selfish interest - it is for Klaas. It is just shameful that the UNBELIEVABLE time and effort she has put here for over 5 years at little or NO compensation is being treated like this.


Neither the site owner nor any member of admin can say anything about it but posters can say that if we all used the Amazon search box, it would also generate income for the site.  They are not allowed to solicit use of it by posters but if we all went to Amazon routinely, bought all our stuff there through SM, it would have to make a difference.

Just saying. . . .again <grin>
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