Natalee Case Discussion #842 6/27/10 - 7/14/10

[MisGivings]

well, where to start?

I find it reprehensible that Joran uses Natalee to make money. AND NOW IT'S UP TO ONE MILLION.

Most remember that he used the anniversary of Natalee's death to rake in more money - he did that for five long years. He also used that to rake Dave and Beth over the coals - then he thought he was entitled to make 250k off of her death and one idiot even suggested that as the prime suspect in Natalee's murder he was entitled to the reward money.

The Joran money train has to stop. Soon it will be every year that he capitalizes on Stephany's death - all with the approval of Anita van der Slob.

There is something morally wrong with paying someone for licensing fees and  / or interviews when they are a murderer. No ifs ands or buts. Wrong wrong wrong.

I know that there are many here that want him to suffer long and hard in prison. Not me. I just want him dead. And the sooner the better. I don't care if he goes to trial, gets a fair trial, or even ever gets a meal again. This animal needs put down.

There is no place in a civilized world for Joran van der Sloot. He is unable to rehabilitated. He will create more victims as long as he is alive - even in prison. He will have those that allow his slimy filth to reach beyond the prison walls - and he will continue his infection.

What I am going to say next may not be taken too well by many - but it needs to be said. Natalee may not ever come home. And Joran may not even know what became of her. And even if he did - he will never reveal her location. This is his way to torment Beth. That's how sick he is. He pretends to know - but in the end - he has no clue.

I think others know where Natalee is and what happened to her - namely van der Straaten. But to hang your bets and hopes on Joran to ever reveal where Natalee is - well, it puts your heart through the wringer and I have given up any hope that the truth will ever come from that lying sack of crap. Liars never change. It's a life lesson that we sometimes need to remind ourselves. Remember - lying liars only lie.

I think Natalee's truth will be known someday - it just won't ever come from Joran. And I hope that whatever time he has remaining (and I hope it's not much) is filled with pain, misery and darkness - all of things he created for some many. Karma has a way of giving back what you dish out - so I leave it to karma and God to take care of the wrongs in life.

Yes, yes, yes. The truth will be known, as much as possible, one day.

....but it will never come from Anita's hateful bastard of a son.

Kill him, ship him to Aruba in a box. Discard his bones in the

donkey cemetary.


Let us get on with things,

there is work to be done.

Just saw a guy on CNN say he should have asked for more money since he is the most popular guy in the world.

[Ono]

Maybe things can be arranged where Joran can be sent to B'ham to face these proceedings while he is awaiting his Peruvian trial ..

[Tylergal]

well, where to start?

I find it reprehensible that Joran uses Natalee to make money. AND NOW IT'S UP TO ONE MILLION.

Most remember that he used the anniversary of Natalee's death to rake in more money - he did that for five long years. He also used that to rake Dave and Beth over the coals - then he thought he was entitled to make 250k off of her death and one idiot even suggested that as the prime suspect in Natalee's murder he was entitled to the reward money.

The Joran money train has to stop. Soon it will be every year that he capitalizes on Stephany's death - all with the approval of Anita van der Slob.

There is something morally wrong with paying someone for licensing fees and  / or interviews when they are a murderer. No ifs ands or buts. Wrong wrong wrong.

I know that there are many here that want him to suffer long and hard in prison. Not me. I just want him dead. And the sooner the better. I don't care if he goes to trial, gets a fair trial, or even ever gets a meal again. This animal needs put down.

There is no place in a civilized world for Joran van der Sloot. He is unable to rehabilitated. He will create more victims as long as he is alive - even in prison. He will have those that allow his slimy filth to reach beyond the prison walls - and he will continue his infection.

What I am going to say next may not be taken too well by many - but it needs to be said. Natalee may not ever come home. And Joran may not even know what became of her. And even if he did - he will never reveal her location. This is his way to torment Beth. That's how sick he is. He pretends to know - but in the end - he has no clue.

I think others know where Natalee is and what happened to her - namely van der Straaten. But to hang your bets and hopes on Joran to ever reveal where Natalee is - well, it puts your heart through the wringer and I have given up any hope that the truth will ever come from that lying sack of crap. Liars never change. It's a life lesson that we sometimes need to remind ourselves. Remember - lying liars only lie.

I think Natalee's truth will be known someday - it just won't ever come from Joran. And I hope that whatever time he has remaining (and I hope it's not much) is filled with pain, misery and darkness - all of things he created for some many. Karma has a way of giving back what you dish out - so I leave it to karma and God to take care of the wrongs in life.

Yes, yes, yes. The truth will be known, as much as possible, one day.

....but it will never come from Anita's hateful bastard of a son.

Kill him, ship him to Aruba in a box. Discard his bones in the

donkey cemetary.


Let us get on with things,

there is work to be done.

Just saw a guy on CNN say he should have asked for more money since he is the most popular guy in the world.

The reason CNN has the lowest ratings ever in the history of cable TV

[klaasend]

Maybe things can be arranged where Joran can be sent to B'ham to face these proceedings while he is awaiting his Peruvian trial ..

Peru has made it clear nobody can have him until the trial is over and he's served his time in Peru.  I don't blame Peru.

[Tylergal]

Maybe things can be arranged where Joran can be sent to B'ham to face these proceedings while he is awaiting his Peruvian trial ..

Peru has made it clear nobody can have him until the trial is over and he's served his time in Peru.  I don't blame Peru.

But there could have been a deal worked out by Senor Flores today or was it yesterday that he met with the judges?  This does seem interesting coming on the heels of his testimony before the 3 judges.

[Rob]

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[MisGivings]

Anita needs to read up on this.





-source: La Republica


COMISEDH: 118 people were victims of torture
Wed, 30/06/2010 - 9:19


Report. During the period 1998-2010. President of the institution concerned that 60% of cases occurred in police stations or detention was started from.


While it is true that torture in Peru and there is no systematic way as in the early '80s, this is still practiced frequently.




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GOOD!!!

[carpe noctem]

 Salamander Holdings - Tobman family




http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/699/manageArticle.html


By planning this evening to celebrate these Seven Wonderful Women, Salamander Holdings acknowledged their many contributions to the company success story. Initially launched with the opening of the Mill Resort MiniMarket in 1994, Salamander Holdings pushed on to become one of the island's leading retailers with a flair for selling the imaginative in a fun and inviting atmosphere. In addition to that first store, today, the company is the proud owner/operator of The Lazy Lizard on de Palm Pier, The Coconut Trading Company, at the Marriott Ocean Club, The Juggling Fish with locations at the Aruba Beach Club, the Playa Linda boardwalk and outside the Mill Resort. They recently launched its newest concept, T.H. Palm & Company, merchandized and decorated like no other store on the island, located on the Palm Beach, promoting fun island living.

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PALM BEACH – The kind-hearted employees at Salamander Holdings N.V. are holding their 7th annual BBQ & Yard Sale to raise funds for Imeldahof, the children’s home in Noord, this coming Sunday, May 4th.
Like years past, volunteers arranged every aspect of the event, also recruiting other colleagues, a couple of boyfriends and many family members to shop, cook, serve and help out during the day. Drop in for delicious BBQ and a yard sale of imperfect goods, with all proceeds going to charity, at the Juggling Fish, right under the Old Mill landmark on Palm Beach, adjacent to the Mill Resort & Suites.
Salamander Holdings operates a chain of fine gift stores among them the Juggling Fish at the Playa Linda Beach Resort and the Mill Resort,
The Lazy Lizard at the De Palm pier, T.H. Palm & Company at the Playa Linda Beach Resort and The Coconut Trading Co. at The Marriott Ocean Club and Moomba Beach, which will all stay open on the day of the fundraiser.

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193&Itemid=1

[Tamikosmom]

Van der sloot update
Last Update: 4:31 am  

Joran van der Sloot sits in his prison cell in Lima, Peru refusing to talk to authorities but outside the Castro Castro prison events swirl.

STEPHANY FLORES DAD TO TALK WITH JUDGE

The father of Stephany Flores will meet with the investigating judge. Ricardo Flores will meet Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, who is now in charge of the case, at Morales' office in Lima.

As the presiding judge, Morales has the duty to be the chief fact-finder, legal experts told CNN. Morales is getting statements from other potential witnesses as well.

Van der Sloot is accused of murdering 21 year old Stephany Flores in his hotel room after the two played poker in a Lima casino.

SNEAKY, MENTALLY ILL LIAR

Joran's mom tells Dutch interviewer her son is a sneaky, mentally ill liar who would sneak from home in Aruba to go to casinos. Van der Sloot is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway five years ago. Holloway was last seen, in an Aruban casino, with van der Sloot but he's never been formally charged with that crime despite telling wildly differing stories about Natalee's last night.

Read more about Anita van der Sloot's interview

MILLION DOLLAR PAY DAY FOR VAN DER SLOOT?

The website PopEater.com is among the sources reporting that van der Sloot is looking for a big payday for any interviews.  Here's what Rob Shuter reports on that site:
"It's amazing how this kid's mind works," one senior producer tells me. "He is on trial for murder and he is thinking about how he can make money selling interviews."

Van der Sloot is said to be thrilled with the amount of press attention he has received, telling Dutch newspaper De Telegraph, from his maximum-security cell in Miguel Castro prison, that he has even been receiving offers of marriage from female fans. Did the media attention he got from that print interview help him come up with that whopping $1 million price tag?

"It's a horrid thing to admit, but he could be right," one TV exec tells me. "An interview with him from behind bars would certainly get huge ratings. And when you think how much money the cast of 'Friends' got per half-hour episode, $1 million for van der Sloot could be considered a bargain.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-sloot-update/pDV_GJ2ouEiEa4ruUyasEA.cspx

[klaasend]

There was a time that CNN was good, back in 1990 and the Gulf war.  Since then they've gone downhill as has most media.  Now they get their news from blogs and tweets.  Nothing bothers me more than having them read their TWEETS on air.  What happened to real newsmen and women?

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74641.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Silent witness shooting

June 30, 2010, 1:04 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The judicial investigation into the death of Francis Gomez is impeded by both the sole witness and suspect JR as family and friends know nothing or nothing to say. This surprised police spokesman John Larmonie not. "This is the core of the guys from Santa Cruz."

The investigation is still ongoing to investigate the shooting Monday night that claimed the lives of Gomez (22). The boy was his friend, R. in critical condition to hospital after a bullet in his head he had received. Gomez survived this. R. was immediately arrested. The Public Prosecutor (OM) showed this newspaper this morning that he brought up tomorrow. Gomez's body was seized for an autopsy, but at the close of this edition was not yet known whether this investigation has been completed.

R. now relies on his right to remain silent. "He is part of the core of Santa Cruz. Boys over the years have become increasingly harder for justice and the game darn well know, "says Larmonie. "They have learned that they should keep their mouths to ask for a lawyer. So that is what R. doing. "The search is now busy with people in the vicinity to talk, especially to get a confirmation of the circumstances and the circumstances surrounding the fatal incident. Larmonie tells the victim that the ball right between the eyes the head is penetrated. "It is almost inconceivable that Gomez has done this themselves. The shooting may have been an accident but design. And the question is which of the two has failed. That is the detective now investigating. "According to police spokesman Richard runs the risk that his death by negligence is suspected. "That would give him four years cell can produce. By saying nothing, he hopes to avoid this course. "


Tips
Police calls to people who know more about the fatal shooting, passing this information to investigators. It can be anonymous. The telephone number is tiplijn 1141. The search of Santa Cruz, who is charged with the investigation, can be reached by calling 527-2900.

[Nut44x4]

Joran van der Sloot Indicted for Wire Fraud and Extortion
By Peter Fowler at 6:08 pm Eastern

A federal grand jury has indicted Joran van der Sloot on charges of wire fraud and extortion for soliciting money from Natalee Holloway’s mother on promises he would reveal the location of her daughter’s remains in Aruba and the circumstances of her 2005 death.

Earlier this month CBS news reported FBI agents had recorded a meeting in May where van der Sloot told a lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family that he would provide information regarding their daughter's 2005 disappearance in exchange for money.

The FBI said $25,000 in private funds was provided to van der Sloot and he allegedly used the money to fly to Peru and attend a poker tournament where he allegedly met and later killed Stephany Flores.

U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance and FBI Special Agent in Charge Patrick Maley said the FBI worked diligently to investigate and gather evidence after learning that Beth Holloway had been contacted and told she could finally gain information about the death of her daughter if she would pay $250,000.

"Because of the agents’ dedicated efforts, we are able to bring charges against someone who sought profit in a mother’s grief," Mr Vance said.

Natalee Holloway, a resident of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen alive, at age 18, on May 30, 2005, while in the country of Aruba. As noted in the indictment, she was in the company of van der Sloot the day of her disappearance.

The two-count indictment filed in U.S. District Court charges van der Sloot with extortion for exploiting Beth Holloway’s fear that she would never find her daughter’s body or know what happened to her unless she paid him $250,000.

The indictment also charges van der Sloot with wire fraud for using false promises that he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s body in order to induce Beth Holloway to make wire transfers of money.

According to the indictment, van der Sloot caused Beth Holloway to wire $15,000 from her bank in Birmingham to his account at a bank in the Netherlands. The indictment also charges that he caused her to wire $10,000 to lawyer John Q. Kelly in New York so that Kelly could later carry that money to Aruba and deliver it to van der Sloot in person.

The indictment identifies Kelly as an advisor and legal representative of Beth Holloway who served as her intermediary with van der Sloot.

The indictment describes how van der Sloot’s scheme to defraud Natalee Holloway’s mother proceeded as follows:

After van der Sloot initially contacted Kelly and said he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway’s remains for $250,000, he later agreed to lead Kelly to the site of her remains for $25,000. Once identification of the remains was confirmed, Beth Holloway was to pay the remaining $225,000 to van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot received the $25,000 from Beth Holloway and led Kelly to a specific site in Aruba. He identified the site as the location where Natalee Holloway’s remains were buried, although he knew that information was false.

Van der Sloot kept the $25,000, but later confirmed by e-mail that the information he had provided was “worthless.”

The indictment seeks forfeiture of $25,100 from van der Sloot. That amount includes $100 Beth Holloway initially wired to the Netherlands bank to confirm van der Sloot’s account.

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/story/29431.html

I know this has probably already been posted, but I am having probs w/ staying in the forum.

[carpe noctem]

OCT 10, 2009


Salamander Holdings, Aruba Retail Experts, hosted Poker Widows for a Shopping Activity
Rona Coster

An intimate group of Ultimate Bet’s Poker Widows, wives
and girlfriends of the players participating in the Radisson Aruba
Resort Casino & Spa international poker tournament were invited for a
shopping activity by Salamander Holdings. The activity included a
complimentary shopping tour on Palm Beach over wine and hors d’oeuvres
which were served along the way.

The ladies explored Aruba’s most intriguing retail stores located
within the high rise hotel area, enjoying the abundance of merchandise
available for their viewing and shopping pleasure!

The tour started at the Coconut Trading Co which offers a variety of
unique Gifts for all ages at the Village Mall across the street from
the Radisson, and continued to the Lazy Lizard located at South Beach
Centre next door to Hard Rock Café, offering resort wear and beach
accessories.

Having imbibed a few interesting wines and tasted some absolutely
delicious premium Dutch cheeses, the ladies continued to the Playa
Linda Beach Resort, home of T.H. Palm & Company, showcasing a variety
of imaginative merchandise for Fun Island Living in a truly creative
ambiance. Â Die-hard shoppers in the group then continued to the
Juggling Fish on the boardwalk and to the bathing suit store, to stock
up on distinctive beach and swimwear as well as unusual souvenirs.

During this fun and relaxing shopping tour the group also helped
benefit our community as a percent of all their purchases was donated
by the stores to local charities under the Tikkun Olam, world repair
program – helping the community remain strong, now in its second year!

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2009/10/10/salamander-holdings-aruba’s-retail-experts-hosted-poker-widows-for-a-shopping-activity/


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It is how a black widow rolls on that island. It is a way of life.

[texasmom]

I don't want him to come to the U. S. until after the trial in Peru.

He wants out of there.  He's freezing and has to wonder if the rats will nibble on him while he sleeps, and I like it!

JMO

[cece]

Looks like Anita was just on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=info#!/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=wall

[carpe noctem]

Connecting more dots -


Salamander Holding Co.        


Suite#: 405 - 406
Contact: Mr. Irwin Hagedoorn        
Phone: 588-2743        
Fax: 588-2560

http://www.sunplaza-aruba.com/directory/Salamander_Holding_Co.-33.html

[Rob]

Looks like Anita was just on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=info#!/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=wall

I have 12 entities left that will report him. LOL

Sounds like sailing is second to fishing for a married man ... pigs all of them.

That prick is getting reported 12 more times.

[texasmom]

Connecting more dots -


Salamander Holding Co.        


Suite#: 405 - 406
Contact: Mr. Irwin Hagedoorn        
Phone: 588-2743        
Fax: 588-2560

http://www.sunplaza-aruba.com/directory/Salamander_Holding_Co.-33.html

hmmmm, that's interesting!  

[klaasend]

OCT 10, 2009


Salamander Holdings, Aruba Retail Experts, hosted Poker Widows for a Shopping Activity
Rona Coster

An intimate group of Ultimate Bet’s Poker Widows, wives
and girlfriends of the players participating in the Radisson Aruba
Resort Casino & Spa international poker tournament were invited for a
shopping activity by Salamander Holdings. The activity included a
complimentary shopping tour on Palm Beach over wine and hors d’oeuvres
which were served along the way.

The ladies explored Aruba’s most intriguing retail stores located
within the high rise hotel area, enjoying the abundance of merchandise
available for their viewing and shopping pleasure!

The tour started at the Coconut Trading Co which offers a variety of
unique Gifts for all ages at the Village Mall across the street from
the Radisson, and continued to the Lazy Lizard located at South Beach
Centre next door to Hard Rock Café, offering resort wear and beach
accessories.

Having imbibed a few interesting wines and tasted some absolutely
delicious premium Dutch cheeses, the ladies continued to the Playa
Linda Beach Resort, home of T.H. Palm & Company, showcasing a variety
of imaginative merchandise for Fun Island Living in a truly creative
ambiance. Â Die-hard shoppers in the group then continued to the
Juggling Fish on the boardwalk and to the bathing suit store, to stock
up on distinctive beach and swimwear as well as unusual souvenirs.

During this fun and relaxing shopping tour the group also helped
benefit our community as a percent of all their purchases was donated
by the stores to local charities under the Tikkun Olam, world repair
program – helping the community remain strong, now in its second year!

http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/2009/10/10/salamander-holdings-aruba’s-retail-experts-hosted-poker-widows-for-a-shopping-activity/


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It is how a black widow rolls on that island. It is a way of life.

SALAMANDER HOLDING N.V.
 
Business address    CUNUCU ABAO 17, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form    LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company    SALAMANDER HOLDING N.V.
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of incorporation    7 JUNE 1999
     
Authorized capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year    01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
HAGEDOORN-TOBMAN, JODI LISA;
   
Born in    U.S.A., BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS on 6 JUNE 1960
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective    7 JUNE 1999
Authority    FULL
 

[carpe noctem]

Looks like Anita was just on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=info#!/profile.php?id=100000007825367&v=wall

That would be `Sailing` by THE MAN - Christopher Cross!

Here is my select choice of lyrics for Anita.

It's not far back to sanity
At least it's not for me