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« Reply #720 on: June 30, 2010, 10:10:51 PM »

LOL! Aruba will reward anything - even WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS!

You know, you have been here longer than I have.
I think I would "re-draw" this with the "thumbs-up" invisible (if you know what I mean!!) LOL!!!
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« Reply #721 on: June 30, 2010, 10:12:20 PM »

I hope I am wrong but ... somehow I believe that following his trial Joran van der Sloot will be afforded extradition to Dutch or Aruban soil.

Holland/Aruba cannot chance that Joran will talk ... talk and reveal all the dynamics encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The motivating force will be the big bucks that media sources are willing to pay ... big bucks that will afford Joran van der Sloot both protection and comfort in a Peruvian lockup.

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/


The following comment reflects the words in an email response I received from a Peruvian pastor whose ministry is support with a pledge each month from our church.  Apparently bribery at ALL levels of the Peruvian administration is where it is at.
 
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People, he will never be in a prison like this, aren't you smart enough to know this? MONEY talks over there. The warden, guards are ALL corrupt and if an inmate pays them, he will be fine. He will pay to have his own cell, pay for guard protection, for decent food, etc. That's how it works. He seems to be such a mama's boy and gets whatever he wants, so I highly doubt mama is gonna let him be raped or poisoned in prison. No such luck. Where he is at right now, in his own cell near the director's office it said. Only 2 others are celled along there also, one a wealthy Columbian drug lord and the other was a wealthy banker. They pay money to survive and live as decent as possible. If you can't afford it, you ARE screwed.

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/11/joran-van-der-sloot-to-face-worst-of-the-worst-in-prison-if-convicted/

 
Thanks for sharing this.
I am sure this can work both ways, too, so if Senor Flores wants, he could get a tougher sentence/existence for Joran?
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« Reply #722 on: June 30, 2010, 10:15:18 PM »

LOL! Aruba will reward anything - even WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS!

You know, you have been here longer than I have.
I think I would "re-draw" this with the "thumbs-up" invisible (if you know what I mean!!) LOL!!!

The thought did cross my mind, Wreck! Smile   ... but I didn`t go the full `Jack Horner`

Perhaps that was a mistake. lol
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« Reply #723 on: June 30, 2010, 10:31:43 PM »



The indictment asks that Beth be paid the 25 grand back before he can be paid for anything else.










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« Reply #724 on: June 30, 2010, 10:43:46 PM »

NEW YORK, June 30, 2010


(CBS)  Surveillance cameras are everywhere these days. Do they solve crime or invade your privacy?

"Early Show" Consumer Correspondent Susan Koeppen took a look into their ever-spreading use.



Koeppen said, "If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video might as well be priceless. Law enforcement around the world increasingly rely on a growing network of surveillance cameras to help solve crime. But do more cameras mean more protection or a greater risk of our privacy being invaded?"

Whether in the mall, hotels, or public parks and streets, Koeppen said there's a good chance that wherever you go, a surveillance camera is close by.

Surveillance cameras have played an important role in the investigation into Stephany Flores' death. While mystery still shrouds Joran van der Sloot's involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, there appears little doubt he was the last person to see Stephany Flores alive based on the surveillance evidence collected.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/30/earlyshow/contributors/susankoeppen/main6633635.shtml
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« Reply #725 on: June 30, 2010, 10:46:20 PM »


there appears little doubt he was the last person to see Stephany Flores alive based on the surveillance evidence collected.



There is NO DOUBT. Goon boy is cooked for life.
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« Reply #726 on: June 30, 2010, 10:46:24 PM »

WHEN JORAN WAS & YEARS OLD

Anita  "joran, give the toy back to your brother right now"

Joran  "no, i wont"

Anita  yes little sporter. do it right now or else you will have to go to bed early

joran  "i dont care, im not giving it back. shut up i hate you"

Anita  "PAAAULLLUSSSS"

PAULUS  "yes neeeter, what do you want?"

Anita  "joran is talking back and not listening to my orders"

Paulus  "dont worry Neeeeter, i will take him to the casino tonight and let him drink beer
and harass girls,, he will be ok"

ANITA,  thank you big sporter paulus, you know just how to handle these young boys,
GOOD JOB HONEY"

PAULUS, "thank you neeeeeter"



HE GOT AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY PUNISHMENT FROM THE PARENTS FROM THE GET GO

END OF STORY
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« Reply #727 on: June 30, 2010, 10:50:21 PM »

Well Greta just did a quick blurb on the indictment of Joran, relating it was due to his effort to extort 250K from Beth. Then she went on to say with emphasis "why the FBI took so long we don't know" with real emphasis in the tone of her voice.......

Obviously that whipping post isn't going away anytime soon.
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« Reply #728 on: June 30, 2010, 10:52:19 PM »

WHEN JORAN WAS & YEARS OLD

Anita  "joran, give the toy back to your brother right now"

Joran  "no, i wont"

Anita  yes little sporter. do it right now or else you will have to go to bed early

joran  "i dont care, im not giving it back. shut up i hate you"

Anita  "PAAAULLLUSSSS"

PAULUS  "yes neeeter, what do you want?"

Anita  "joran is talking back and not listening to my orders"

Paulus  "dont worry Neeeeter, i will take him to the casino tonight and let him drink beer
and harass girls,, he will be ok"

ANITA,  thank you big sporter paulus, you know just how to handle these young boys,
GOOD JOB HONEY"

PAULUS, "thank you neeeeeter"



HE GOT AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY PUNISHMENT FROM THE PARENTS FROM THE GET GO

END OF STORY

That is my speculation as well Robots, it takes real effort to enforce sincere and effective punishments consistently. Obviously Neeter and Paulus were entirely too busy.
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« Reply #729 on: June 30, 2010, 10:54:57 PM »

yep, they let everything slide, from the time he was a little boy. so, he just figured the rest of the world worked the same way MOMMY and DADDY did..


WRONG PIGHEAD,   you are a dead man RUNNING



WHEN JORAN WAS & YEARS OLD

Anita  "joran, give the toy back to your brother right now"

Joran  "no, i wont"

Anita  yes little sporter. do it right now or else you will have to go to bed early

joran  "i dont care, im not giving it back. shut up i hate you"

Anita  "PAAAULLLUSSSS"

PAULUS  "yes neeeter, what do you want?"

Anita  "joran is talking back and not listening to my orders"

Paulus  "dont worry Neeeeter, i will take him to the casino tonight and let him drink beer
and harass girls,, he will be ok"

ANITA,  thank you big sporter paulus, you know just how to handle these young boys,
GOOD JOB HONEY"

PAULUS, "thank you neeeeeter"



HE GOT AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY PUNISHMENT FROM THE PARENTS FROM THE GET GO

END OF STORY

That is my speculation as well Robots, it takes real effort to enforce sincere and effective punishments consistently. Obviously Neeter and Paulus were entirely too busy.
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« Reply #730 on: June 30, 2010, 10:57:07 PM »

remember paulus the sqaulus running

well, well, well,  now joran is running  FOR HIS LIFE


paulus was so gutless... he was never a man. 


ARUBA SUCKS

PAULUS SUCKS

ANITA SUCKS

JORAN SUCKS 
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« Reply #731 on: June 30, 2010, 10:58:31 PM »

Well Greta just did a quick blurb on the indictment of Joran, relating it was due to his effort to extort 250K from Beth. Then she went on to say with emphasis "why the FBI took so long we don't know" with real emphasis in the tone of her voice.......

Obviously that whipping post isn't going away anytime soon.

You know Greta and Dr. Baden and Steph Watts are in big trouble over the autopsy of Drew Peterson's
wife that died in the bathtub.
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« Reply #732 on: June 30, 2010, 11:00:21 PM »

I hope I am wrong but ... somehow I believe that following his trial Joran van der Sloot will be afforded extradition to Dutch or Aruban soil.

Holland/Aruba cannot chance that Joran will talk ... talk and reveal all the dynamics encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The motivating force will be the big bucks that media sources are willing to pay ... big bucks that will afford Joran van der Sloot both protection and comfort in a Peruvian lockup.

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/


The following comment reflects the words in an email response I received from a Peruvian pastor whose ministry is support with a pledge each month from our church.  Apparently bribery at ALL levels of the Peruvian administration is where it is at.
 
Janet

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Jay
June 12th, 2010 3:12 pm ET


People, he will never be in a prison like this, aren't you smart enough to know this? MONEY talks over there. The warden, guards are ALL corrupt and if an inmate pays them, he will be fine. He will pay to have his own cell, pay for guard protection, for decent food, etc. That's how it works. He seems to be such a mama's boy and gets whatever he wants, so I highly doubt mama is gonna let him be raped or poisoned in prison. No such luck. Where he is at right now, in his own cell near the director's office it said. Only 2 others are celled along there also, one a wealthy Columbian drug lord and the other was a wealthy banker. They pay money to survive and live as decent as possible.  If you can't afford it, you ARE screwed.

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/11/joran-van-der-sloot-to-face-worst-of-the-worst-in-prison-if-convicted/

 

Thanks for sharing this.

I am sure this can work both ways, too, so if Senor Flores wants, he could get a tougher sentence/existence for Joran?


I believe that Ricardo Flores influence implies that Joran will ultimately receive the maximum sentence that Peruvian law affords.  However ... Stephany's father has already stated publicly that he has no objection if Joran serves his sentence in Holland or Aruba.

Mr. Flores does not get it.  He does not comprehend that it was not a lack of evidence or it was not an incompetent investigation that prevented Aruban  justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

In other words ... Stephany's father is in the dark about the corrupt Aruban investigation that established a cover up agenda in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo to protect Joran van der Sloot.  Mr. Flores does not comprehend that extradition would only be a means to further that cover up agenda.

MisGivings ... the Peruvian justice system is already granting Joran priviledges that are not afforded to every prisoner who murders one of their citizens in a fit of rage.  The world is watching so ... Joran is treated accordingly.  Joran has the backing of those who can pay so ... Joran is treated accordingly.

Hey ... at the highest level of the Peruvian administration ... the President has also made a statement in regards to this high profile Dutch/Aruban prisoner in their midst ... a statement conceding that extradiction is a possibility when the trial process has finished.

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/
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« Reply #733 on: June 30, 2010, 11:03:57 PM »

I hope I am wrong but ... somehow I believe that following his trial Joran van der Sloot will be afforded extradition to Dutch or Aruban soil.

Holland/Aruba cannot chance that Joran will talk ... talk and reveal all the dynamics encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.  The motivating force will be the big bucks that media sources are willing to pay ... big bucks that will afford Joran van der Sloot both protection and comfort in a Peruvian lockup.

IMO

Janet

+++++++


Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/


The following comment reflects the words in an email response I received from a Peruvian pastor whose ministry is support with a pledge each month from our church.  Apparently bribery at ALL levels of the Peruvian administration is where it is at.
 
Janet

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Jay
June 12th, 2010 3:12 pm ET


People, he will never be in a prison like this, aren't you smart enough to know this? MONEY talks over there. The warden, guards are ALL corrupt and if an inmate pays them, he will be fine. He will pay to have his own cell, pay for guard protection, for decent food, etc. That's how it works. He seems to be such a mama's boy and gets whatever he wants, so I highly doubt mama is gonna let him be raped or poisoned in prison. No such luck. Where he is at right now, in his own cell near the director's office it said. Only 2 others are celled along there also, one a wealthy Columbian drug lord and the other was a wealthy banker. They pay money to survive and live as decent as possible.  If you can't afford it, you ARE screwed.

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/11/joran-van-der-sloot-to-face-worst-of-the-worst-in-prison-if-convicted/

 

Thanks for sharing this.

I am sure this can work both ways, too, so if Senor Flores wants, he could get a tougher sentence/existence for Joran?


I believe that Ricardo Flores influence implies that Joran will ultimately receive the maximum sentence that Peruvian law affords.  However ... Stephany's father has already stated publicly that he has no objection if Joran serves his sentence in Holland or Aruba.
Mr. Flores does not get it.  He does not comprehend that it was not a lack of evidence or it was not an incompetent investigation that prevented Aruban  justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

In other words ... Stephany's father is in the dark about the corrupt Aruban investigation that established a cover up agenda in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo to protect Joran van der Sloot.  Mr. Flores does not comprehend that extradition would only be a means to further that cover up agenda.

MisGivings ... the Peruvian justice system is already granting Joran priviledges that are not afforded to every prisoner who murders one of their citizens in a fit of rage.  The world is watching so ... Joran is treated accordingly.  Joran has the backing of those who can pay so ... Joran is treated accordingly.

Hey ... at the highest level of the Peruvian administration ... the President has also made a statement in regards to this high profile Dutch/Aruban prisoner in their midst ... a statement conceding that extradiction is a possibility when the trial process has finished.

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/

I have NOT seen Stephany's father say anything like that. Show that to me (in context).
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« Reply #734 on: June 30, 2010, 11:04:42 PM »

I disagree.  I think Mr. Flores "gets it".  His daughter is dead.
Peru has said that Joran will serve his sentence in Peru and nowhere else.
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« Reply #735 on: June 30, 2010, 11:05:53 PM »

REMINDER


Got it. Beth on Greta, November 19, 2008:

HOLLOWAY: Yes. And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html

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« Reply #736 on: June 30, 2010, 11:07:42 PM »

Today is a month after Stephany's dead. I believe that today was very hard for Mr Flores to go to the PLE to give his statement.....In Peru is common to remember a deceased person  a month and a year after somebody's dead with a ceremony at church.

The 30-day memorial is a common practice in the Catholic Church here. I learned of it when I lived in New England (Connecticut) though I never observed it in the Midwest. They call it "Month's Mind" and have a Mass said for the deceased person.



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« Reply #737 on: June 30, 2010, 11:09:00 PM »

Carpe, 

Some of us started to research Salamander, etc...you are now pulling out all the stops.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5523.msg900631#msg900631
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« Reply #738 on: June 30, 2010, 11:09:47 PM »







link:
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« Reply #739 on: June 30, 2010, 11:09:52 PM »


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Hey ... at the highest level of the Peruvian administration ... the President has also made a statement in regards to this high profile Dutch/Aruban prisoner in their midst ... a statement conceding that extradiction is a possibility when the trial process has finished.

IMO

Janet

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Holloway Suspect's Peru Detention Extended
Published June 07, 2010


Peruvian President Alan Garcia told reporters Friday that van der Sloot would have to be tried in Flores' death before any extradition request could be considered.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/06/dutch-murder-suspects-asks-private-lawyer-spent-week-police-office-peru/


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