Natalee Case Discussion #842 6/27/10 - 7/14/10

[Anna]

Good Morning, Monkeys,

Well, isn't it amusing that Joran is afraid somebody is going to put something in his food?  Sort of like he "did 20 times and nothing bad happened"?

Guess he also fears being raped because those are things he himself did.  I do believe Joran was a serial rapist.

He fears all the things he did to his own victims.

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[texasmom]

Good morning Monkeys!

[Northern Rose]

Ricardo Flores Stephany cries for Stephany

Entrepreneur broke when he told the judge that her daughter would be alive if he had controlled more.
Former race car before the owner asked the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima, Carlos Morales Cordova, the maximum penalty for the alleged perpetrator of the apple of his eye, Joran van der Sloot Netherlands, held in the prison "Miguel Castro Castro. "

So judicial sources said, citing Flores became sad and tearful when asked about referring judge of his cocky personality, brutally murdered inside a hotel of Miraflores, the first days of last June.

Our informant also indicated that the employer said that Van der Sloot killed her to strip the money he had won at the casino, in addition to its chain, bracelet, earrings and electronic game Nintendo Wii, as well as a thousand dollars that he gave for the purchase of a Laptop, which she had the day of his death and until today have not appeared.

http://trome.pe/noticia/503674/ricardo-flores-llora-stephany

[Northern Rose]

Father of murdered young Peruvian woman declared in case against Van der Sloot (with pictures)

The Peruvian businessman Ricardo Flores, father of the girl Stephany Flores, whose murder is accused Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, told the judge in the process used abroad for homicide, while family and friends remember student in a church service one month of his death.

"The only thing is I inform you that today is the day I met my daughter a month died, we wanted to come to comply with this summons, and I will not declare more about the process because it is what we have asked for," said Flores told reporters when leaving the courthouse.

Last night, about 200 family members, relatives and friends of the business administration student attended a religious service in a church in the district of La Molina, where his father and two of her friends spent heartfelt remembrances. During the ceremony, a video projection with photographs of the young at different times of his life.

Van der Sloot, 22, confessed to police that killed Stephany Flores, 21, on Sunday 30 May in the hotel room he occupied in Lima, after having been together playing poker in a casino nearby. It is also the prime suspect in the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005, a case that was never solved.

The Europeans being held in the Miguel Castro Castro prison since 11 June, the same day they opened criminal proceedings for homicide and simple larceny, faces charges that between 15 and 35 years in prison. (AP)

http://noticias.terra.com/galeria/264102/padre_de_joven_peruana_asesinada_declara_en_caso_contra_van_del_sloot

[Northern Rose]

Remembering the life of Stephany Flores



Lima, Peru – Almost 300 people filled a Lima temple Wednesday, to remember Stephany Flores on the one month anniversary of her death.  Flores' father, Ricardo Flores, told friends and family who attended the memorial that parents can learn from the death of his daughter.

"Sometimes we're wrong and I have been wrong a lot. I have permitted my kids to know the good and not the bad; my kids have everything but also we have to take away from them sometimes," Flores said in Spanish.   

Flores choked up at the end of his brief address as he asked members of Peru's National Police Chorus to sing "Eternal Love" while a series of photographs depicting his daughter from childhood to adulthood flashed on a projector screen.

One of Flores' longtime friends remembered the 21-year-old as "a great friend" with a "contagious smile." Alexandra Infante said Flores was nicknamed "Flowers."

Carolina Jorge, a sister-in-law of Flores, described the 21-year-old as always being filled with love and happiness. Flores' younger brother, Ricardo Flores Ramirez, read a passage from Isaiah. The hour long service was one of three held on Wednesday. It took place at, Al Templo de la Alianza Cristiana y Misionera de Monterrico, the temple where Stephany's mother worships.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/01/remembering-the-life-of-stephany-flores/

[texasmom]

o.k.  I've already thrown up in my mouth...

No idea how old this girl is (looks pretty dang YOUNG to me), but these are in her birthday pictures...

Is he working on the Jolly Pirate sailboat too?

DJ Diablo=Steve Croes

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4275215&id=711178755#!/album.php?id=711178755&aid=184388&s=0&hash=6970ebac95ef2aba993dc05de71d3324

[Northern Rose]

SBS 6 in the top 10 third Media measurement Joran docu
Joran van der Sloot is a month big news and documentaries about the alleged murderer remain striking. SBS 6 yesterday sent his third documentary about Joran van der Sloot, this time with images from the Castro Castro prison and an interview with an ex-girlfriend. The documentary attracted 926 000 viewers and thus occupies the seventh place in the Top 25 Daily Media measurement.

The interview with his mother, Anita van der Sloot, has so far been the most watched broadcast since his arrest Joran. Which was broadcast on RTL 4.

http://zappen.blog.nl/

[klaasend]

That girl looks familiar.  I feel as though she lives in Aruba (could be wrong)

Edited to add, I see the fb is that of someone in Aruba (duh)

[texasmom]

http://www.facebook.com/people/Angela-Hagedoorn/1587840751

Angela Hagedoorn

Angela links to Mike Hagedoorn.



http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Hagedoorn/100000118965919

Mike Hagedoorn likes:
Joy Behar
Official Flight Attendant UAL/CAL Merger Unity & Action
WE DONT WANT A DOLPHINARIUM IN ARUBA !!!!
WE WANT AIR-ARUBA BEK !!
FQ Air Aruba Employee

She also links to Captain Anthony Hagedoorn. (the guy teaching Sebastian Van der sloot about fat girl`s likes)

-more background here-

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147251-d1009676-r63199392-Tranquilo_Charter_Cruises-San_Nicolas_Aruba.html#REVIEWS

“Just OK--wish we had tried another outing instead”
Tranquilo Charter Cruises
 
 
floridamike   48 contributions
gulf coast florida
Nov 9, 2008
4
people found this review helpful

After hearing several great reviews and being recommended by our apartment manager, we went on the 6-hour sail/snorkle trip last week. We thought it was OK at best, and afterwards we wished we had gone out on a different boat.

Though the sailboat is nice, we found the following problems:

First, our trip included 16 passengers, which was pushing the limit of this little boat, we thought. Being a single hull sailboat, there is little room to move around, and you need to be pretty graceful to manage. In our group of land-lubbers, people were tripping over each other the whole day.

Second, the boat offers extremely limited protection from the sun. There is only a small area near the back of the boat that can accommodate about 4 people. Being in full direct Aruban sun for 6 hours was a bit much.

Third, the food offered was modest at best. Yes, it is homemade by Anthony's mother and that is a nice touch, but it is soup and a fairly plain ham and cheese sandwhich. We saw the other boats leaving from the same pier with what looked like nice, high-quality restaurant food.

Fourth, there was only 1 snorkle stop. It was decent, but we found out later that some of the other boats go to 2 or 3.

Last, and worst, the sail that day was made up of 8 Americans and 8 people from Holland. Other than the safety information and instructions about where to avoid when snorkeling, Captain Anthony and his mate Earnest virtually ignored the Americans and spent the whole day joking and chatting with the Dutch in their language. It really felt like we were second class passengers. The other employee, Gregory, was more interactive with us, but it felt like we were just a paycheck to the other 2.

I realize now that we could have done a better job researchng some of these issues (like the number of passengers, the number of stops and the sun protection), but some of these things you really can't know until you experience them.

Maybe we just caught Tranquillo on a really really bad day, but it definitely was NOT the great experience that we were expecting.



Why you no like momma`s SPLIT PEA SOUPPPPP, HUHHHHHH???

NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU! You swim to shore.

I haven't finished my first cup yet Carpe, lol....but if you're saying Angela is Anthony's mother...I don't think she's old enough.  IIRC she was born in 1959...and he's around 40ish.  I think she's probably his sister?  He mentions lunch at his sister's on his FB wall.  She also has son's that skate with the group (also iirc).

Slugging down some java so I can make sure, lol.

Found this so far...

Sat
16
Aug

Young Boys with Big Dreams

Rona Coster


The Rafaga and members of the Hagedoorn family

Just a year ago Peter Rooijakker and Angela Hagedoorn bought a 24-feet sailing boat for their two sons Marc Anthony & Maurice.

It was in a much deteriorated condition so together with their uncle Captain Anthony Hagedoorn they started to fix it up.

They organized two fund raising BBQ events this year to help them buy the necessary equipment and after working very hard to recondition the sailing vessel, they put the boat in the water, just this week.

A big thank you goes Caribbean Overseas and Tec Inc for BBQ supplies. And Varadero Carib and Albo Aruba for usage of the boatyard and for transport of the boat.

The families would also like to thank East Wind Marine Services for getting all the necessary hardware for the boat, and for the hours spend with Captain Sander Vellinga brainstorming the outfitting the boat’s sail-handling systems.

A representative of Letz Aruba Consultancy and Services was given the honor to christen the boat called Rafaga, meaning “gusts” as in wind gusts!

Little sister Sophy helped shower Rafaga with Champagne.

Angela & Peter placed a tree branch with leaves on the boat symbolizing the wish for Rafaga to sail the high seas, and always return safely to her home port.

After feasting on champagne &Â seafood chowder Rafaga sailed away into the sunset to her temporarily berth at Spanish Lagoon. Here she will be fitted with all of her deck hardware, mast and riggings.

Sea trials are set for September 6th with an Around Aruba Race. Soon after that, Rafaga will be sailed to the island of Curacao for the 1st annual Heineken Regatta in November where the boat will be racing two of her identical sister ships, among some of her competitors.

This is an opportunity to get the boat dialed in, and challenging it to go faster. Finally the intention is to sail the boat back to Curacao in February to put it on a ship to St. Maarten to compete in the 2009 Heineken Regatta which is one of the most prestigious Regattas in the Caribbean.

It is uncle’s Anthony and the boys Marc Anthony & Maurice’s intention to start collecting sailing trophies in the near future to bring home to Aruba.

Author:Rona CosterTime:Saturday, August 16th, 2008 at 9:06 am

Larger version of the pic:  http://batibleki.visitaruba.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/dsc02487.jpg

[texasmom]

P. S.  Angela says she's "single" on her FB page, so I think she and Peter Rooijakker are probably divorced.

[texasmom]

That girl looks familiar.  I feel as though she lives in Aruba (could be wrong)

Edited to add, I see the fb is that of someone in Aruba (duh)

LOL, I didn't say anything because I knew you'd figure it out!

[carpe noctem]

No, the why you lie to momma bit was in reference to his momma cooking pea soup - and the American not being all that taken with it. lol   The Trip Advisor postings where they rate their experience with him after a day out on the Tranquilo.

I had a feeling it couldn't be Angela. Her skin is still so young.

>Sister


Good work, as always texasmom. Anything on Irwin Hagedoorn? (Jodi Tobman-Hagedoorn)

He has to link in there somewhere! Everybody is screwing everybody in Aruba. Reminds me of  a musical chairs game. Whenever the music stops - boing boing boing boing boing

[Tylergal]

Morning Monkeys

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-fears-his-life

Joran van der Sloot fears for his lifePublished on : 1 July 2010 - 2:16pm | By Iede de Vries (Photo: ANP)

Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of murdering Peruvian woman Stephany Flores, fears he could be murdered in the Lima prison 1where he is awaiting trial. A Dutch television programme has revealed that he said this to prison director Ruben Rodrigues Rabanat. On Wednesday, US Public Prosecution Office also officially charged the Dutchman with extortion.

Van der Sloot has been portrayed in the Peruvian press as a ruthless killer. Shortly after he was handed over to the Peruvian authorities, he was besieged by an angry crowd at a police station in Lima.

Threat
Mr Rabanat says that Van der Sloot asked to be put in solitary confinement because he fears being murdered. He avoids going to the exercise yard, and for fear of being poisoned, he only accepts food from the guards, not from fellow detainees.

His fellow prisoners dismiss Van der Sloot’s fears. One even says Van der Sloot is now one of them and is safe. He should just join in with the activities. Notorious
The Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima where Van der Sloot has been held for the last three weeks, is notorious. More than 1500 prisoners are held in barracks built for 700 people. There are regular riots. Mr Rabanat says a stay in his own prison is “dangerous”.

The Dutch pastor Joop Spoor, who visits Dutch detainees in foreign prisons, reiterates that lawlessness reigns in Castro Castro. Violence and stabbings are a daily occurrence 2.

The Dutch television crew were given an extensive tour of the complex, but were not allowed to speak to Van der Sloot. The Dutchman reportedly only allows his mother to visit his cell.

Trial procedure
The president of the Lima court, Ceasar Javier Vega Verga expects it to be some time before Joran van der Sloot’s trial begins. The fact that the murder suspect is using his right to silence, is hampering the investigation according to the court.

Van der Sloot’s lawyer, Maximo Allez, says Van der Sloot denies killing the Peruvian woman. He has withdrawn an earlier confession.

Natalee Holloway
On Wednesday, the US Public Prosecution Office filed official charges against Joran van der Sloot for extortion. He is accused of demanding 250,000 dollars from Natalee Holloway’s mother in exchange for revealing the location of her body.

Joran van der Sloot is the main suspect in the case of US high school graduate Natalee Holloway who disappeared five years ago in Aruba. However, he has never appeared in court for the case due to a lack of evidence.
 

Read more about Joran van der Sloot

Read more about Natalee Holloway

 
© Radio Netherlands Worldwide




Oh poor Joran...what about the fear Stephany and Natalee must have felt at his hands!



1  I bet Natalee and Stephany feared for their lives but they had no political recourse

2 No proof of that until we hear that Joran has been stabbed to death

I think that means "sex". LOL!

[carpe noctem]

o.k.  I've already thrown up in my mouth...

No idea how old this girl is (looks pretty dang YOUNG to me), but these are in her birthday pictures...

Is he working on the Jolly Pirate sailboat too?

DJ Diablo=Steve Croes

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4275215&id=711178755#!/album.php?id=711178755&aid=184388&s=0&hash=6970ebac95ef2aba993dc05de71d3324

Ain't nothing more unattractive in the world than a senile DJ.

[texasmom]

No, the why you lie to momma bit was in reference to his momma cooking pea soup - and the American not being all that taken with it. lol   The Trip Advisor postings where they rate their experience with him after a day out on the Tranquilo.

I had a feeling it couldn't be Angela. Her skin is still so young.

>Sister

Good work, as always texasmom. Anything on Irwin Hagedoorn? (Jodi Tobman-Hagedoorn)

He has to link in there somewhere! Everybody is screwing everybody in Aruba. Reminds me of  a musical chairs game. Whenever the music stops - boing boing boing boing boing

Haven't delved into Irwin Hagedoorn much yet.  I don't know if you remember this or not but a few months ago a plane went down between Aruba and Bonaire and the pilot was trapped in the wreckage.  The pilot was a hero.  Big ordeal...but eventually the plane was brought up and the pilot was recovered.  

Anyway...said all that to say...

One of the survivors of the wreck was Erik Hagedoorn, no idea if he's related to the same bunch or not.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.persbureaucuracao.com/index.php/aruba/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D2540:erik-hagedoorn-heeft-gemengde-gevoelens%26catid%3D12:human%26Itemid%3D10&ei=QrYsTODYJMGblge_sPCcCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDAQ7gEwBzgo&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Hagedoorn%2522%252BAruba%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26prmd%3Db

[carpe noctem]

[littletxlady]

Good Morning, Monkeys,

Well, isn't it amusing that Joran is afraid somebody is going to put something in his food?  Sort of like he "did 20 times and nothing bad happened"?

Guess he also fears being raped because those are things he himself did.  I do believe Joran was a serial rapist.

He fears all the things he did to his own victims.

.

What we do in life...Echoes in eternity

[Rob]

-lol-

[texasmom]

-lol-

LMAO here too!  Love ya Carpe! 

[klaasend]

THE FORUM DOWNTIME ISN'T GETTING TO ANYONE MORE THAN ME.  NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.