Natalee Case Discussion #842 6/27/10 - 7/14/10

[Tylergal]

More funny stuff from jenna2;

jenna2  PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:39 pm         

Heli wrote:

Thailand is a hotspot for child sexual tourism and sexual tourism in general. I'm sure there are thousands of women and children missing there.

In doing a quick search of Thai newspapers and online news, I have not seen any mention whatsoever of JvDS being the focus of any missing person investigation but I'm sure Nancy Grace will have all the FACTS tonight.


It completely freaked me out that Joran moved to Thailand because of the months that we spent reading all of the inappropriate comments that Marten Van Den Berg made to young girls on Aruba.

By the way, I do not believe that Joran killed either Natalee nor Stephany. Something else is going on.

I could be the only one on this board who does not believe that Joran is a killer. I do believe that Joran is a liar. But liar and killer is different.

Is Heli synonymous for Anita?

[Dragnet]

More funny stuff from jenna2;

jenna2  PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:39 pm         

Heli wrote:

Thailand is a hotspot for child sexual tourism and sexual tourism in general. I'm sure there are thousands of women and children missing there.

In doing a quick search of Thai newspapers and online news, I have not seen any mention whatsoever of JvDS being the focus of any missing person investigation but I'm sure Nancy Grace will have all the FACTS tonight.


It completely freaked me out that Joran moved to Thailand because of the months that we spent reading all of the inappropriate comments that Marten Van Den Berg made to young girls on Aruba.

By the way, I do not believe that Joran killed either Natalee nor Stephany. Something else is going on.

I could be the only one on this board who does not believe that Joran is a killer. I do believe that Joran is a liar. But liar and killer is different.

Is Heli synonymous for Anita?

Sounds just like Cindy Anthony.  Her exact words about Casey.  She may be a liar, but that doesn't make her a murderer. Ugh.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74799.php

Joe Tacopina in advocatenteam Joran
5 Jul, 2010, 12:50 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/LIMA — De Amerikaanse advocaat Joe Tacopina gaat Joran van der Sloot verdedigen. Hij maakt deel uit van een driekoppig team van strafpleiters die zich zullen inzetten voor vrijspraak van de moordverdachte.

Het team vervangt de huidige advocaat Maximo Altez, die eerder al aangaf zich uit de zaak te willen terugtrekken. Dat meldt de Peruaanse krant Peru21. Volgens de krant willen de Peruaanse autoriteiten met deze uitgebreide verdediging alle schijn van rechtsongelijkheid vermijden. Tacopina is een bekende van de verdachte. In 2006 verdedigde hij Joran en zijn vader Paul van der Sloot in een civiele zaak die was aangespannen door de ouders van Natalee Holloway. De Amerikaanse strafpleiter werd echter vooral bekend door de geruchtmakende kindermisbruikzaak tegen de overleden popster Michael Jackson. Hij wist de zanger in 2005 vrij te pleiten.

Joran zit momenteel in voorarrest in de Castro Castro gevangenis in Peru. Hij wordt verdacht van de roofmoord op 21-jarige Peruaanse Stephany Flores op 30 mei, precies vijf jaar na de verdwijning van Natalee. Mocht hij worden veroordeeld, hangt hem een straf van maximaal 35 jaar boven het hoofd. De 22-jarige Nederlander heeft de moord bekend, maar wil deze bekentenis ongeldig laten verklaren. Hij zou niet van adequate verdediging zijn voorzien en bovendien door de politie zijn bedreigd. De advocate die bij deze bekentenis aanwezig was, is niet door de staat toegewezen, maar door een onbekende betaalt. Dit zegt althans Altez, de huidige advocaat van Joran, tegen Amerikaanse nieuwszender Fox News. De moordverdachte klaagt deze advocaat, Luz Romero Chinchay, dan ook aan. Ook de politiechef die het verhoor leidde, is aangeklaagd. Een rechter heeft de bekentenis al toelaatbaar verklaard. De verdachte gaat hiertegen in beroep.

Afpersing
Joran is vorige week in de Verenigde Staten officieel aangeklaagd wegens afpersing van Beth Holloway, moeder van de in 2005 vermiste Natalee. Hij wordt aangeklaagd voor afpersing van 250.000 dollar en het plegen van girale fraude. Joran zou in ruil voor het geld de locatie van het lichaam van Natalee aanwijzen en vertellen wat er werkelijk is gebeurd. Hij ontving 15.000 dollar, maar ging vervolgens met het geld naar Peru.

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Googe translation:

Joe Bar Team Taco Pina in Joran (LOL)

July 5, 2010, 12:50 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - The U.S. attorney Joe Taco Pina will defend Joran van der Sloot. He is part of a three-man team of criminal lawyers who will work for acquittal of the murder suspect.

The team will replace the current attorney Altez Maximo, who indicated earlier withdrew from the case to withdraw. That reported the Peruvian newspaper Peru21. According to the newspaper to the Peruvian authorities with this expanded defense all semblance of law to avoid inequality. Taco Pina was an acquaintance of the suspect. In 2006 he defended Joran and his father, Paul van der Sloot in a civil case was brought by the parents of Natalee Holloway. The American criminal lawyer, however, was best known for the notorious child abuse case against the deceased pop star Michael Jackson. He knew the singer in 2005 to exonerate.

Joran is currently in custody in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. He is suspected of the robbery on 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee. Should he be convicted, it is a sentence of up to 35 years over the head. The 22-year-old Dutchman has announced the murder, but wants to be declared invalid confession. He would not provide adequate defense and also threatened by the police. The lawyer who was present when the confession is not allocated by the state but by an unknown payment. It says at least Altez, the current attorney of Joran, against American news channel Fox News. The murder suspect complains that lawyer, Luz Romero Chinchay then too. The police chief who led the hearing, has been indicted. A judge has declared admissible if the confession. The suspect goes against this appeal.

Extortion
Joran last week in the United States formally charged with extortion by Beth Holloway, mother of missing Natalee in 2005. He is indicted for extortion of $ 250,000 and to commit wire fraud. Joran would be in exchange for the money the location of Natalee's body to identify and tell what really happened. He received $ 15,000, but then with the money to Peru.

[Edward]

Klaas, it's time to turn words into action once again.  Let's get a petition for everyone here to sign, a petition that can be circulated to all our friends, a bulk e-mail so that we can sign saying we will boycott any products or any networks who pay any vdSloot attorney or who knowingly interview the attorneys or the mother of Joran, his brothers, any "reporters" or newspaper employees in Aruba, who are doing the bidding for Joran.  Let's get a petition and circulate it, and pass it along to the media outlets.  IT IS IMPERATIVE that we do this for Natalee and for Stephany and those unnamed Oriental and South American girls who have not had a voice on their behalf.

I think that's a great idea, Tyler.  Just not sure exactly how to do it.  And we know they will go for the almighty ratings.  How to get them to listen to us instead???  If they had any morals they wouldn't be paying these people in the first place.

Melody and Anita just made more than they ever thought to have at one tinme in their lives, I am sure.  And now Joran has this idea he will get a million.

Someone else posted they think Joran killed Stephany in part for the media attention and I tend to agree that this was part of it--among other things like his being flat broke.  But I think he did this on the anniversary date of killing Natalee for the media attention, thinking he'd figure out a way to evade punishement.

I don't think Joran actually realizes it took a lot of people covering for him for him to have evaded before.  He actually thinks he committed the perfect crime.  He is too stupid to have realized he couldn't have gotten away with anything without the help of a whole corrupt little island.

I agree completely!

There is a corrupted group in the Netherlands .. It is not just little Aruba..
Aruba only exists for the purpose of money laundering and tax havens for extreme rich and within that group corruption exists. They are protecting Joran, even today.
BUT I agree Joran did this for financial gain and he feels he is smart enough and connected well enough to get a minimum sentence or completely free.
Like Beth said..It runs all the way to the Hauge. It actually goes further then the Hauge.
It is a hopeless situation because people can not come to turns with it. Joran knows that and plays on it.
 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74792.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Sevinger celebration at U.S. Embassy

July 5, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)




ORANGE CITY - The Minister for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration Benny Sevinger (AVP) on behalf of Aruba has participated in the 4th-of-July-celebration at the U.S. Embassy in Curaçao. The celebration took place one day earlier, on Saturday, July 3. Sevinger represented the Aruban government, which was invited to the celebration. Sevinger the embassy was received by the American consul, Timoty Dunn and his wife. The festival program included speeches, hoisting the American flag and a fireworks show. On July 4th Americans celebrate their freedom. It commemorates over the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. The declaration of independence from the United States to the kingdom of Great Britain confirmed.

[San]

texasmom did you mean post #1306?

[texasmom]

texasmom did you mean post #1306?

Yes, thanks San.  I thought I looked at it a few times to make sure, but I was still on my first cup so I must've read it wrong.

[San]

van der Sloot...how long will justice take?

http://tinyurl.com/2boyqee


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  It could take years to unravel the multiple mysteries of Joran van der Sloot and the women alleged to be his victims.

Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison charged with the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores in a Lima casino hotel.  He's the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba five long years ago.  In a macabre note, Flores was murdered five years to the day of Holloway's disappearance.  Her last confirmed sighting?  With van der Sloot in an Aruban casino.

So what's taking so long to achieve more than speculation?  You have multiple countries, multiple jurisdictions.  Van der Sloots a Dutch citizen living in Aruba suspected of crimes involving Peruvian and American citizens.  He was arrested in Chile and has recently been indicted by Federal officials in Birmingham of wire fraud and extortion for allegedly taking money from the Holloway family for information about Natalee...and then providing no information.  More on extortion indictment.

The tale of meandering delays begins back in Aruba.   Van der Sloot's lawyer/father...now deceased...ran very effective legal interference for his son with the Aruban police and prosecutors.  Although questioned many times, Joran has never been charged in Natalee's disappearance.

In the Peruvian case, van der Sloot has tried...and is trying again...to get his confession thrown out claiming everything from coercion to not having an interpreter.  Both those appeals have been rejected.  Now van der Sloot is claiming he didn't have a legal and competent lawyer while all that was happening.  More on appeals

Van der Sloot's current lawyer has already conceded a strategy of "paralyzing the process".   He has vowed to take the case all the way to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.  More on "paralyze the process"

WakeUp Alabama legal analyst Holly Clemente takes a look at what that could mean.

[Edward]

The ongoing and never ending Saga of Joran Vandersloot.

Beth  and Dave will never have real answers or find Natalee.

The Flores family will never see true justice for their daughter Stephanie.

All the people that are working this case are caught up in the drama like it is a T.V. reality show.

Sad.

[wreck]

The ongoing and never ending Saga of Joran Vandersloot.

Beth  and Dave will never have real answers or find Natalee.

The Flores family will never see true justice for their daughter Stephanie.

All the people that are working this case are caught up in the drama like it is a T.V. reality show.

Sad.

I'm certainly not throwing in the towel just because Joran has hired an attorney. I'm VERY confident the Flores family will see justice -- and soon. While I am less confident Beth and Dave will see the same -- I DO feel better about it than I did a month or so ago.

[Ono]

More funny stuff from jenna2;

jenna2  PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:39 pm         

Heli wrote:

Thailand is a hotspot for child sexual tourism and sexual tourism in general. I'm sure there are thousands of women and children missing there.

In doing a quick search of Thai newspapers and online news, I have not seen any mention whatsoever of JvDS being the focus of any missing person investigation but I'm sure Nancy Grace will have all the FACTS tonight.


It completely freaked me out that Joran moved to Thailand because of the months that we spent reading all of the inappropriate comments that Marten Van Den Berg made to young girls on Aruba.

By the way, I do not believe that Joran killed either Natalee nor Stephany. Something else is going on.

I could be the only one on this board who does not believe that Joran is a killer. I do believe that Joran is a liar. But liar and killer is different.

Is Heli synonymous for Anita?

Sounds just like Cindy Anthony.  Her exact words about Casey.  She may be a liar, but that doesn't make her a murderer. Ugh.

True--Also, I remember it being said about Scott Peterson-Geragos, [ I think ], used to say this ad nauseum, after he took the case.

[San]

The ongoing and never ending Saga of Joran Vandersloot.

Beth  and Dave will never have real answers or find Natalee.

The Flores family will never see true justice for their daughter Stephanie.

All the people that are working this case are caught up in the drama like it is a T.V. reality show.

Sad.

The Flores family will see justice one way or another.  Either way Joran is toast.

[San]

The ongoing and never ending Saga of Joran Vandersloot.

Beth  and Dave will never have real answers or find Natalee.

The Flores family will never see true justice for their daughter Stephanie.

All the people that are working this case are caught up in the drama like it is a T.V. reality show.

Sad.

I'm certainly not throwing in the towel just because Joran has hired an attorney. I'm VERY confident the Flores family will see justice -- and soon. While I am less confident Beth and Dave will see the same -- I DO feel better about it than I did a month or so ago.

Beth and Dave will see justice through the murder of Stephany.  It is not the way they wanted it but the world now knows what they have been saying for the past five years was the truth.  There were people doubting and trying to misinform what happened to Natalee.  Stephany's murder opened the eyes of the world of what this monster was capable of.

We all knew but now the world is convinced.

[Edward]

when i come into this room
 i have a pop up message bar that claims this page is written in Dutch and wants to know if i want it translated.

lol

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot will undergo psychological tests
The expertise was ordered by Judge Carlos Morales in the process is followed for the crime of Stephany Flores

The confessed murderer Joran van der Sloot will be submitted from tomorrow to a psychological expertise as part of the process followed for the crime of the young student Stephany Flores on 30 May.

Judge Carlos Morales Cordova ordered these tests in order to meet the mental health of young and so to determine their degree of responsibility in this case.

Radio Programs reported, tests shall be conducted by doctors of the Institute of Legal Medicine and will be held in the Miguel Castro Castro prison, where the Dutchman has been detained for the alleged crimes of aggravated homicide and simple theft.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/505886/joran-van-der-sloot-sometido-pruebas-psicologicas

[Red]

van der Sloot...how long will justice take?

http://tinyurl.com/2boyqee


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  It could take years to unravel the multiple mysteries of Joran van der Sloot and the women alleged to be his victims.

Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison charged with the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores in a Lima casino hotel.  He's the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba five long years ago.  In a macabre note, Flores was murdered five years to the day of Holloway's disappearance.  Her last confirmed sighting?  With van der Sloot in an Aruban casino.

So what's taking so long to achieve more than speculation?  You have multiple countries, multiple jurisdictions.  Van der Sloots a Dutch citizen living in Aruba suspected of crimes involving Peruvian and American citizens.  He was arrested in Chile and has recently been indicted by Federal officials in Birmingham of wire fraud and extortion for allegedly taking money from the Holloway family for information about Natalee...and then providing no information.  More on extortion indictment.

The tale of meandering delays begins back in Aruba.   Van der Sloot's lawyer/father...now deceased...ran very effective legal interference for his son with the Aruban police and prosecutors.  Although questioned many times, Joran has never been charged in Natalee's disappearance.

In the Peruvian case, van der Sloot has tried...and is trying again...to get his confession thrown out claiming everything from coercion to not having an interpreter.  Both those appeals have been rejected.  Now van der Sloot is claiming he didn't have a legal and competent lawyer while all that was happening.  More on appeals

Van der Sloot's current lawyer has already conceded a strategy of "paralyzing the process".   He has vowed to take the case all the way to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.  More on "paralyze the process"

WakeUp Alabama legal analyst Holly Clemente takes a look at what that could mean.

Joran Van der Sloot, In the End Justice Will be Served for Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores, Does it Matter How Long?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/07/05/joran-van-der-sloot-in-the-end-justice-will-be-served-for-natalee-holloway-stephany-flores-does-it-matter-how-long/

JUSTICE SHALL BE SERVED!!!

Local CBS Birmingham, Alabama TV 42 ran a story regarding how long justice will take in the case of Joran Van der Sloot. The question that needs top be asked is, what difference does it make how long it takes to hold Joran Van der Sloot accountable for the crimes against Natalee Holloway in Aruba and Stephany Flores in Peru? As long as JUSTICE is served!

For the many who have followed the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway since 2005, they have already waited 5+ years for justice for Natalee. The family of Natalee Holloway has also been through 5+ agonizing, roller coaster years dealing with the cover-up, deceit, corruption on cronyism in Aruba and the lies, confessions, retractions and sociopath game playing of Joran Van der Sloot.

Joran Van der Sloot has been arrested multiple times, been interrogated on many occasions and confessed too many times to keep count, only to be not formerly prosecuted by Aruban legal authorities because as they claim, he lies. Well no kidding folks, the sun also rises in the East, what difference does that make? Aruba has been dodging their responsibility in the case of the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway since she first went missing. As Scared Monkeys initially wrote when the Alabama teen went missing, “This Can’t Be Good For Tourism, Where’s Natalee Holloway.” When a Caribbean island is so dependent upon tourism, it was obvious from the start that they would do every thing possible to downplay the event. Of course what Aruba never imagined or counted on was the determination of Beth Holloway who was a one woman wrecking crew in Aruba and for their tourism PR looking for answers as to what happened to her daughter.

[loca]

The ongoing and never ending Saga of Joran Vandersloot.

Beth  and Dave will never have real answers or find Natalee.

The Flores family will never see true justice for their daughter Stephanie.

All the people that are working this case are caught up in the drama like it is a T.V. reality show.

Sad.

I'm certainly not throwing in the towel just because Joran has hired an attorney. I'm VERY confident the Flores family will see justice -- and soon. While I am less confident Beth and Dave will see the same -- I DO feel better about it than I did a month or so ago.

Beth and Dave will see justice through the murder of Stephany.  It is not the way they wanted it but the world now knows what they have been saying for the past five years was the truth.  There were people doubting and trying to misinform what happened to Natalee.  Stephany's murder opened the eyes of the world of what this monster was capable of.

We all knew but now the world is convinced.

put him in general  population and see how long it takes for justice to prevail. I think transferring to gp at lurigancho is all it takes.

[loca]

van der Sloot...how long will justice take?

http://tinyurl.com/2boyqee


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  It could take years to unravel the multiple mysteries of Joran van der Sloot and the women alleged to be his victims.

Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison charged with the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores in a Lima casino hotel.  He's the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba five long years ago.  In a macabre note, Flores was murdered five years to the day of Holloway's disappearance.  Her last confirmed sighting?  With van der Sloot in an Aruban casino.

So what's taking so long to achieve more than speculation?  You have multiple countries, multiple jurisdictions.  Van der Sloots a Dutch citizen living in Aruba suspected of crimes involving Peruvian and American citizens.  He was arrested in Chile and has recently been indicted by Federal officials in Birmingham of wire fraud and extortion for allegedly taking money from the Holloway family for information about Natalee...and then providing no information.  More on extortion indictment.

The tale of meandering delays begins back in Aruba.   Van der Sloot's lawyer/father...now deceased...ran very effective legal interference for his son with the Aruban police and prosecutors.  Although questioned many times, Joran has never been charged in Natalee's disappearance.

In the Peruvian case, van der Sloot has tried...and is trying again...to get his confession thrown out claiming everything from coercion to not having an interpreter.  Both those appeals have been rejected.  Now van der Sloot is claiming he didn't have a legal and competent lawyer while all that was happening.  More on appeals

Van der Sloot's current lawyer has already conceded a strategy of "paralyzing the process".   He has vowed to take the case all the way to the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.  More on "paralyze the process"

WakeUp Alabama legal analyst Holly Clemente takes a look at what that could mean.

Joran Van der Sloot, In the End Justice Will be Served for Natalee Holloway & Stephany Flores, Does it Matter How Long?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/07/05/joran-van-der-sloot-in-the-end-justice-will-be-served-for-natalee-holloway-stephany-flores-does-it-matter-how-long/

JUSTICE SHALL BE SERVED!!!

Local CBS Birmingham, Alabama TV 42 ran a story regarding how long justice will take in the case of Joran Van der Sloot. The question that needs top be asked is, what difference does it make how long it takes to hold Joran Van der Sloot accountable for the crimes against Natalee Holloway in Aruba and Stephany Flores in Peru? As long as JUSTICE is served!

For the many who have followed the disappearance and death of Natalee Holloway since 2005, they have already waited 5+ years for justice for Natalee. The family of Natalee Holloway has also been through 5+ agonizing, roller coaster years dealing with the cover-up, deceit, corruption on cronyism in Aruba and the lies, confessions, retractions and sociopath game playing of Joran Van der Sloot.

Joran Van der Sloot has been arrested multiple times, been interrogated on many occasions and confessed too many times to keep count, only to be not formerly prosecuted by Aruban legal authorities because as they claim, he lies. Well no kidding folks, the sun also rises in the East, what difference does that make? Aruba has been dodging their responsibility in the case of the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway since she first went missing. As Scared Monkeys initially wrote when the Alabama teen went missing, “This Can’t Be Good For Tourism, Where’s Natalee Holloway.” When a Caribbean island is so dependent upon tourism, it was obvious from the start that they would do every thing possible to downplay the event. Of course what Aruba never imagined or counted on was the determination of Beth Holloway who was a one woman wrecking crew in Aruba and for their tourism PR looking for answers as to what happened to her daughter.

you know I dont understand the media  seeking killers like vandersloot and his family and casey and her family!!
these people are strangers to the truth. geez what do we learn from their interviews nothing more more spin off of lies and deception. they might as well take all that money they are paying for interviews and flush it down the toilet for all its worth.

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot in the AD gets three lawyers assigned by Peru. Among them is Joe Taco Pina, the former lawyer for Michael Jackson. He was exonerated of allegations the pop star of child abuse.

The Peruvian newspaper Peru 21 says that Joran is defended by several lawyers to go to any appearance of foreign law to prevent inequality. They go for acquittal.

Taco Pina says that there may be someone else involved in the murder of Stephany Flores. He also finds that it lasted long before she was found.

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/07_juli/05/binnenland/joran-krijgt-advocaat-king-of-pop.xml

[Northern Rose]

If he tilts his head to the right he may get better reception on his call to his home planet

http://data.rtl.nl/_internal/gridimage_v3!0/5a61ozekca9a00ljmz2o2kvooxbzip4/joran-krijgt-advocaat-king-of-pop.jpg