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« Reply #280 on: February 06, 2007, 10:13:59 PM »

Doesn't ghb keep you out 24-48 hrs.Something doesn't add up.cat
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« Reply #281 on: February 06, 2007, 10:14:12 PM »

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Why even ask about a call??  Don't really see that from others.  A call must have been tracked....or mentioned...
Where is Koen's statement or one of the four or five from Guido or one of Freddy's?  I think the real perps' statements are under lock and key.  Maybe Koen said he used Sander's phone...better model...better pics??
Using Sander to verify something someone else said??


As far as we know, Koen never made a statement.  Those declarations that we have that Klaas so painstakingly translated were never signed by J2K.  How do we know those are the final documents? Also if they were interrogating them for hours on end, why are their statements so short?
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« Reply #282 on: February 06, 2007, 10:14:18 PM »

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O/T  Fox news on article about flipped astronaut.  Headlines say LUST IN SPACE  : Novak drove 900 miles in a diaper to confront rival.
My question is :  Is that all she was wearing?
I can just picture this, An Astronaut in a wig and trench coat wearing only a diaper underneath it. I wouldv'e run too, pepper spray or not !  Hello Monkeys!
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« Reply #283 on: February 06, 2007, 10:15:05 PM »

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Why even ask about a call??  Don't really see that from others.  A call must have been tracked....or mentioned...
Where is Koen's statement or one of the four or five from Guido or one of Freddy's?  I think the real perps' statements are under lock and key.  Maybe Koen said he used Sander's phone...better model...better pics??
Using Sander to verify something someone else said??


As far as we know, Koen never made a statement.  Those declarations that we have that Klaas so painstakingly translated were never signed by J2K.  How do we know those are the final documents? Also if they were interrogating them for hours on end, why are their statements so short?

Sunfreak - I'm pretty certain some of JK2's statements are signed.
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« Reply #284 on: February 06, 2007, 10:15:15 PM »

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Tibro, I don't think those diapers were meant for Nowak to wear. She had time to stop at a hotel, so she certainly could take a pit stop or 2 along the way. Didn't she have to buy GAS at some point?

Without going into details, the paraphernalia in her car is consistent with an attempt to kidnap, hold, and torture someone.

That's just disgusting.

I agree, it is disgusting.  What is amazing to me is that someone who has been in the Navy and has been an Astronaut would "go off the deep end" over some guy.  Not to mention the fact that she is married and has 3 children.

She's a whack job, that's for sure.

Speaking of whack jobs~ Justin and I have been talking to each other tonight with out tongues stuck out. Very difficult to speak and translate.  Razz
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« Reply #285 on: February 06, 2007, 10:15:26 PM »

Yeah, Klass, I don't get it either. There are PLENTY of guys who she could have had access to. Someone in her position has no reason to wig out over 1 random man. The whole thing is too bizarre to be believed.

My question about Sander's cellphone is, WHY Sander? What else has he ever had to do w/ the case? He is the "younger brother" of a principal player, like Valentijn. What connection other than that do they have?
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« Reply #286 on: February 06, 2007, 10:15:29 PM »

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RE: what would shock the world?

1. The extent of the corruption in Aruba & the Netherlands?
2. Who's at the top of the corruption empire?
3. The amount of drugs passing thru Aruba?
4. The amount of porn & rape & human sexual slavery going on in Aruba?


Sunfreak, I had sort of a dream about this last night. That half awake , half asleep type thingy. I thought I had figured out what Shango was trying to tell us in it.

The gist of it was, the whole Island is corrupt. Sad to say. Nothing and no one is safe.  I feel bad even saying that.


I think the saying "Sad but true...." applies here Sam .

The island is governed by corruption, and the offspring of those "in power"
play together with full knowledge of the elders. The game(s) they play revolve around music and the maze of nightclubs which is where they find the "flies" to trap. There they guarantee "a poisonous siren in the halls of babylon" will be heard.
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« Reply #287 on: February 06, 2007, 10:16:51 PM »

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Speaking of whack jobs~ Justin and I have been talking to each other tonight with out tongues stuck out. Very difficult to speak and translate.  Razz


Is this a new way of celebrating a Super Bowl win, or are there other issues involved here?  Wink
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« Reply #288 on: February 06, 2007, 10:16:56 PM »

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Why even ask about a call??  Don't really see that from others.  A call must have been tracked....or mentioned...
Where is Koen's statement or one of the four or five from Guido or one of Freddy's?  I think the real perps' statements are under lock and key.  Maybe Koen said he used Sander's phone...better model...better pics??
Using Sander to verify something someone else said??


Or was that phone the one that Nat used to get off some SOS calls?


Yes...but I think that's traceable even without the phone....a memory card that hasn't been downloaded to a network wouldn't be traceable.
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« Reply #289 on: February 06, 2007, 10:19:50 PM »

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Yeah, Klass, I don't get it either. There are PLENTY of guys who she could have had access to. Someone in her position has no reason to wig out over 1 random man. The whole thing is too bizarre to be believed.

My question about Sander's cellphone is, WHY Sander? What else has he ever had to do w/ the case? He is the "younger brother" of a principal player, like Valentijn. What connection other than that do they have?

Sander and Koen were part of Joran's group of tennis friends.  More than simply a younger brother.  Sander actually hung out with Joran and the rest of them.  Plus, we have been told that it was Koen that introduced Satish to Joran.  So Satish was friends with Koen and Sander before Joran was.  My guess is Koen and Sander went to the same school that Satish went to.
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« Reply #290 on: February 06, 2007, 10:21:14 PM »

As disgusting as it sounds, it seems that the astronaut actually was wearing a diaper.  Confused

ORLANDO, Fla. - She was the Robochick. He was Billy-O. According to police, her obsession with him led her to drive 900 miles from Houston to Orlando, bringing with her a trenchcoat and wig, armed with a BB gun and pepper spray, and wearing a diaper to avoid bathroom breaks on the arduous drive.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/ap_on_re_us/astronaut_arrested
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« Reply #291 on: February 06, 2007, 10:21:48 PM »

Not sure about Sander...he was at the jail for Joran and he is the one that invited Joran on the boat....might not be looked at as "the little" brother.
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« Reply #292 on: February 06, 2007, 10:22:16 PM »

Why would the Gottenbos allow Sander to make a statement, but not allow Koen to?  What was Koen so afraid of that he slept with his Mommy and did a barrel roll across the floor when the HT drove by?
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« Reply #293 on: February 06, 2007, 10:22:35 PM »

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Nothing interesting as far as I'm concerned. Poster FLORIDA did a drive by (you can find her post a few pages back). When I asked her to explain she didn't. She has now been deactivated. End of story.


I had read that earlier today. Couldn't figure it out, so just kept reading. Issues........
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« Reply #294 on: February 06, 2007, 10:23:18 PM »

I have never been too keen on the idea of Natalee using a cellphone she was not familiar with, to make a call in a place where she couldn't be sure of how the service worked or whether she could successfully make the call to her classmate. Under duress, and most certainly impaired by the effects of the substances she was poisoned with.

I think the likelihood that she could make a successful distress call in her exigent circumstances was very slim.

If any of you have tried to use your OWN phone in a stressed situation (like an med emergency, car wreck, etc.) you understand what I mean. Clarity of mind and thought are not so much.
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« Reply #295 on: February 06, 2007, 10:25:20 PM »

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Yeah, Klass, I don't get it either. There are PLENTY of guys who she could have had access to. Someone in her position has no reason to wig out over 1 random man. The whole thing is too bizarre to be believed.

My question about Sander's cellphone is, WHY Sander? What else has he ever had to do w/ the case? He is the "younger brother" of a principal player, like Valentijn. What connection other than that do they have?

Sander and Koen were part of Joran's group of tennis friends.  More than simply a younger brother.  Sander actually hung out with Joran and the rest of them.  Plus, we have been told that it was Koen that introduced Satish to Joran.  So Satish was friends with Koen and Sander before Joran was.  My guess is Koen and Sander went to the same school that Satish went to.


Has there ever been any new info to back-up what was "revealed" in the early months of Natalee going missing, by some Aruba posters on the board here, and that was that Alex Gottenbos is cousin to Paulus vd Sloot?
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« Reply #296 on: February 06, 2007, 10:26:10 PM »

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Yeah, Klass, I don't get it either. There are PLENTY of guys who she could have had access to. Someone in her position has no reason to wig out over 1 random man. The whole thing is too bizarre to be believed.

My question about Sander's cellphone is, WHY Sander? What else has he ever had to do w/ the case? He is the "younger brother" of a principal player, like Valentijn. What connection other than that do they have?

Sander and Koen were part of Joran's group of tennis friends.  More than simply a younger brother.  Sander actually hung out with Joran and the rest of them.  Plus, we have been told that it was Koen that introduced Satish to Joran.  So Satish was friends with Koen and Sander before Joran was.  My guess is Koen and Sander went to the same school that Satish went to.


Has there ever been any new info to back-up what was "revealed" in the early months of Natalee going missing, by some Aruba posters on the board here, and that was that Alex Gottenbos is cousin to Paulus vd Sloot?

Nothing to back it up that I'm aware of.
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« Reply #297 on: February 06, 2007, 10:29:16 PM »

Back to the lovelorn astronaut... she SAID her diapers were for the trip. Evidently there was a package of them in the car. They were part of a "checklist" of items (which was recovered in her handwriting) that included a mallet and rubber hose. Rather strange toiletries list for a trip.

Sounds like Nowak was getting her ideas from the Jack Bauer School of Interrogative Sciences.
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« Reply #298 on: February 06, 2007, 10:30:26 PM »

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Why would the Gottenbos allow Sander to make a statement, but not allow Koen to?  What was Koen so afraid of that he slept with his Mommy and did a barrel roll across the floor when the HT drove by?


I think Koen made a statement and that's why Flannigan suspected him.  One statement was enough, then I think dad stepped in (on advice of PVDS).
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« Reply #299 on: February 06, 2007, 10:31:39 PM »

Koen and Satish were best friends and that is how Joran met Satish.. Take it to the bank.
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