Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007

[dkpen]

Leslie you need a new avatar. Your's is still from Christmas.  hehe


Once removed, twice removed...all the same as first cousins, second cousins. Just a different way to say it.

My mothers brother is my uncle. His children are my first cousins. There children are my second cousins, second cousins children are my third cousin, and on down the line. Does not change the relationship in the generations at all.

Now my mothers first cousin, is my second cousin and my daughter is her third cousin. Their grand parents are my great-grandparents, and it makes them my daughters great great grandparents. But it goes along the lines of what I said above.

Anyways....I read on the forums in the early days that they were cousins by someone from Aruba. I believe it was Arubagirl from over at TripAdvisor. Then when viewing MySpace, Zorpia and other sites, Joran had Koen and Sanders pictures up in his "family" second and listed them both as cousins. Pictures then started to pop up with them all together younger. Since then they have been removed, unless someone saved them by chance.

Remove the word "second".  I don't know where that came from or how it got there. Guess I had second cousins on my mind. LOL

Ugh...I meant to say....Joran had Koen and Sanders pictures up in his family section listing them both as cousins.

[Leslie]

dkpen:  Not exactly.  "Once removed" means a difference in generations.  Your mother's second cousin is your second cousin "once removed".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin

[SunFreak2]

Geeze, all the pain meds & anesthesia must have muddled my memory.  Where on the island was the cross placed?

[bleachedblack]

Posted by Debbie at BFN on May 12th 2006;

I have also heard from reliable source that Alexander Gottenbos and PVDS are cousins.  Since I do not have a copy of their family tree or birth certificates it will be hard for me to prove, but I do trust who told me.

[Leslie]

Geeze, all the pain meds & anesthesia must have muddled my memory.  Where on the island was the cross placed?

The fisherman's huts.

[bleachedblack]

Geeze, all the pain meds & anesthesia must have muddled my memory.  Where on the island was the cross placed?

The fisherman's huts.

Yes near the Marriott.....

Not the anesthesia....you can't remember everything .....which sometimes i think you do    

[SunFreak2]

Geeze, all the pain meds & anesthesia must have muddled my memory.  Where on the island was the cross placed?

I just found my own answer. It was put up at the boat launch between the fishermen's huts & the Marriott hotel.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Klaas..
 I am asking nice.. or RED..to please delete the thread in the  lounge that I did  NOT create?
                             TY kindly... I do NOT need to be harassed by someone.. and it will happen.  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Night all..

[SunFreak2]

Maybe it is as simple as the huts being robbed, and Natalee buried at sea in the fish cage using Koen's boat for transport.  That would be something you could trust a blood relative to do for you.

[bleachedblack]

I guess none of these mentions make the cousin aspect a fact, but it is sure mentioned often enough. More often in support of the fact than negating
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To: deetch

That's the word on SM.
One of the posters did some snooping...talked with a local and was told Alexander G is related to the sloots. It sounds like Koen and Joran are cousins...Alexander would be Joran's uncle.

78 posted on 11/06/2005 11:09:54 PM PST by RGVTx
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[SunFreak2]

Night all..

G'nite Angie.  I'm glad you got your computer back up & running.

[bleachedblack]

Maybe it is as simple as the huts being robbed, and Natalee buried at sea in the fish cage using Koen's boat for transport.  That would be something you could trust a blood relative to do for you.

Yes and it might lead them to then leave the country and move to Georgia.

Occums razor.

Nite all sweet monkeys ...hasta manana.

[SunFreak2]

Maybe it is as simple as the huts being robbed, and Natalee buried at sea in the fish cage using Koen's boat for transport.  That would be something you could trust a blood relative to do for you.

Yes and it might lead them to then leave the country and move to Georgia.

Occums razor.

Nite all sweet monkeys ...hasta manana.

Yep, Occams's Razor would apply there.

Gnite BB.  I'm off to bed myself, but before I go. I thought I would leave this to contemplate:

From page 120 of Dave's book:

"the following information is extremely curious to me, and it is something that has to be looked into further.  It involves someone from inside of the Aruban Government.  Apparently, in discussing what he considered to be a "blunder in Natalee's case," former Police Commissioner Stanley Zaandam said that the nomination of certain police commissioners, including Dompig, was against the law and the hierarchy of the KPA (police corp.), and that there were "serious consequences for the integrity & quality of work in the KPA" due to that. He said, "None of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation." He continued, saying, "this is how van der Stratten was appointed to this case."  He maintained that Natalee's case was not the type of work in which van der Stratten should have been involved.  However, he considers the biggest blunder to be the way the 3 boys, Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, were questioned, saying that their lies allowed them to remain free for 12 days.  The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...." He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver...."

[dkpen]

Maybe it is as simple as the huts being robbed, and Natalee buried at sea in the fish cage using Koen's boat for transport.  That would be something you could trust a blood relative to do for you.

Yes and it might lead them to then leave the country and move to Georgia.

Occums razor.

Nite all sweet monkeys ...hasta manana.

Yep, Occams's Razor would apply there.

Gnite BB.  I'm off to bed myself, but before I go. I thought I would leave this to contemplate:

From page 120 of Dave's book:

"the following information is extremely curious to me, and it is something that has to be looked into further.  It involves someone from inside of the Aruban Government.  Apparently, in discussing what he considered to be a "blunder in Natalee's case," former Police Commissioner Stanley Zaandam said that the nomination of certain police commissioners, including Dompig, was against the law and the hierarchy of the KPA (police corp.), and that there were "serious consequences for the integrity & quality of work in the KPA" due to that. He said, "None of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation." He continued, saying, "this is how van der Stratten was appointed to this case."  He maintained that Natalee's case was not the type of work in which van der Stratten should have been involved.  However, he considers the biggest blunder to be the way the 3 boys, Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, were questioned, saying that their lies allowed them to remain free for 12 days.  The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...." He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver...."

The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...."He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver.



HMmmmmm

[dkpen]

Night everyone, I'm heading to bed myself.

God bless~

[robots]

Maybe it is as simple as the huts being robbed, and Natalee buried at sea in the fish cage using Koen's boat for transport.  That would be something you could trust a blood relative to do for you.

Yes and it might lead them to then leave the country and move to Georgia.

Occums razor.

Nite all sweet monkeys ...hasta manana.

Yep, Occams's Razor would apply there.

Gnite BB.  I'm off to bed myself, but before I go. I thought I would leave this to contemplate:

From page 120 of Dave's book:

"the following information is extremely curious to me, and it is something that has to be looked into further.  It involves someone from inside of the Aruban Government.  Apparently, in discussing what he considered to be a "blunder in Natalee's case," former Police Commissioner Stanley Zaandam said that the nomination of certain police commissioners, including Dompig, was against the law and the hierarchy of the KPA (police corp.), and that there were "serious consequences for the integrity & quality of work in the KPA" due to that. He said, "None of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation." He continued, saying, "this is how van der Stratten was appointed to this case."  He maintained that Natalee's case was not the type of work in which van der Stratten should have been involved.  However, he considers the biggest blunder to be the way the 3 boys, Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, were questioned, saying that their lies allowed them to remain free for 12 days.  The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...." He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver...."

The part that most concerns me, though, was his statement that 2 days after Natalee's disappearance, her "body may have already been found and the police commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der Sloot...."He continued that "to exculpate the son of Paulus, the police commissioner and the fiscal chief prosecutor.....made the false arrest of 2 secirity guards, calling this a tactical maneuver.



HMmmmmm

yep,

remember the police were going to go to the body

ohhhhhhhh..but that was misinformation  

[Peaches]

Good morning.

Working and lurking.  Again!

[Leslie]

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[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Monkeys!

I'm working and lurking too!!!

Good to see ya Peaches!