Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007

[justinsmama]

I don't wanna go out in the cold! Waaaaa! I just want to hibernate! I detest Winter with a purple passion!

[robots]

I don't wanna go out in the cold! Waaaaa! I just want to hibernate! I detest Winter with a purple passion!

LOL

for some  reason i found the "waaaaaaaa"  hilarious  

[klaasend]

I've been going through the VistaArubaBB archives this morning.  Will post interresting comments as I find them.

nunyabeeswaxFriday, June 10th, 2005, 12:23 PM

I would imagine his father or attorney pulled that site. As I said in an earlier post, I guess not knowing what your children are up on the internet must be an internationsl problem.Thanks to A Current Affair most of the world saw both his Tickle.com and msn site and friends. I haven't check today, but his brother's site was still there yesterday. His name is Valentijn van der Sloot. Many of his friends were also on Joran's site.He had references to Joran and listed his hobbies as "pimpin" but yesterday those were removed. He still listed his age as 19. Joran also listed his age as 19, but now we know he is 17. One of his brother's contacts was a girl named orgasm. Her hobbies include reading porn and acting in porn. This am The Birmingham News reported that Joran had met Natalee two days prior to her disappearance at the HI casino.He was playing poker with some of the MBHS group. We have him at Carlos and Charlies, and playing as a regular in the casino.Don't you have to 18 to do these things in Aruba?

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-3.html

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Monks!!!  Jsut checking and and now I am going back to read.....just wanted to say....Angie, you are my hero!!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks, Klaasend for checking out old posts...

I rec'd an email from Continental where I could earn up to 10,000 miles if I booked by a certain date.  This prompted me to check out destinations.  Aruba was one...Occidental Resort...3 star rating.  I chose many different dates to see if I could come up with figures, but either flight or cars were not available with those I selected...

I also got one from Yahoo Travel....Norwegian also has a cruise out of San Juan, PR that stops at Aruba & Curocao...

Did we ever find out what that article said about American Airlines?   I just found this site, which lists the airlines into Aruba....Jet Blue is not listed, so I'm not sure it's up to date, as written in opening paragraph:

http://www.arubaaviation.com/airlines.html

[klaasend]

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wregle      Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 12:47 AM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that "something bad" happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of the men admitted that "something bad has happened he confessed" and was leading police late Friday night to the scene.

He refused to identify which young man had made the statement in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, who was in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba to celebrate her graduation from a Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham.

A 17-year-old Dutch boy and his two Surinamese friends, identified by defense lawyer David Kock as his client, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother, Deepak, 21, had told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern tip of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

http://hosted.ap.org/icons/spacer.gif According to their testimony, they didn't get out of the car. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at Aruba International School, "were in the back seat kissing" in an intimate embrace.

shel     Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 01:09 AM
Aruban Radio Report: Searching Canashito River For Natalee Holloway can anyone verify this?


shel    Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Natalee Holloway: Possible Location Update

According to unconfirmed sources the search for Natalee Holloway may be leading to the Canashito Caves area south of Hooiberg, which is the only mountain on the island, off the beaten track and reported known for a set of caves. Here is a link (http://www.aruba.com/qtvr/casihoo1.htm) to a scrollable image to the mountain area.


http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-3.html

[klaasend]

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shel    Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM

OK I am totally confussed now....I went to foxnews.com....OK that is my first confussion why I did that. But this is their latest entry.

Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes (search (javascript:siteSearch('Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes')) told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends as a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities know the location of her body.

However, the mother of the 17-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information. Croes also said that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body


susanlynn98     Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 04:41 PM

I just hear that blood evidence has been found in the case, but that was on fox so take it with a grain of salt. MSNBC is going to have an update after the break.

[klaasend]

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Houndstooth     Monday, June 13th, 2005, 01:26 PM

Keep in mind that this information is not coming from "official"(who's the official source, anyway) sources, but the lawyer for one of the security guards stated on camera that statements coming from the group of three are now contradicting each other. As already stated somewhere aborve, Juran now contends that he was dropped off at his house with Natalee still left in the car with the brothers, while they now contend that they left Juran and Natalee at the light house as they returned home. Of course, the lawyer is using this information as a basis to release his client.

[klaasend]

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dancinlight    Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 07:36 PM

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a heliocopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport. Also O'Reilly is interviewing some of the students that were on trip with Natalee tonight. anyone know if this is true about Santa Lucia?

AIR23AC     Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:55 PM

if the 6:30 am cell call is true that is a very logical time frame.......something goes wrong/happens by 2:30 or so with natalee, the kids would need 3-4 hours to plan and conceal her body

[Lala'sMom]

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shel    Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM

OK I am totally confussed now....I went to foxnews.com....OK that is my first confussion why I did that. But this is their latest entry.

Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes (search (javascript:siteSearch('Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes')) told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends as a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities know the location of her body.

However, the mother of the 17-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information. Croes also said that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body


susanlynn98     Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 04:41 PM

I just hear that blood evidence has been found in the case, but that was on fox so take it with a grain of salt. MSNBC is going to have an update after the break.

To reiterate Hammer's question?  How do they know she is dead?  How do you confirm someone dead if you have no body?   They had a body.  They saw the body.  The evidence was on the body.  Enter Dirty Hand.

Sorry, just a little Shango...I will behave now, I promise.  

[klaasend]

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DiviAruba     Thursday, June 16th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Anyone read Aruba AM today. Article about how hard it is on Joran's family and how they are "being dragged through the mud".

[klaasend]

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blenchi   Thursday, June 16th, 2005, 05:51 PM

Any body can help me out? I am trying to find this message which I think was on scaredmonkey but I can't find it any more. My brother wants to email her. Yesterday somebody put a link which I found but again nothing. Could that lady have deleted it?

I am giving the location of where Natalie maybe located. As a psychic trying to help. I believe the she is located in Arikok National park in the area surrounding the 1. Prins Plantation 2. 200 feet from the road 400 feet from a trail. Her head is facing South/West. 3 There are 3 scrub like bushes next to her She is buried under three feet in depth. 4. People that were looking for her passed by and missed where she was buried by 50 feet The area is smooth hump and can not be noticed as being a grave site.. 5. the 17 year old hurt her but the others where there She died at the hands of the 17 year old white male. She died at a turn off road parking lot for a trail head. The two brothers where there and had their way with her. 6. The two black males had nothing to do with the crime and should be let go. I will pray for the family and friends of Natalie. I have a detailed map of the area with an X of the location that needs to be checked. I hope that this information will help in the investigation and you pass it on.to people that can investigate this location in more detail.

Gerster

[SunFreak2]

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wregle      Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 12:47 AM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that "something bad" happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of the men admitted that "something bad has happened he confessed" and was leading police late Friday night to the scene.

He refused to identify which young man had made the statement in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, who was in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba to celebrate her graduation from a Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham.

A 17-year-old Dutch boy and his two Surinamese friends, identified by defense lawyer David Kock as his client, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother, Deepak, 21, had told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern tip of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

http://hosted.ap.org/icons/spacer.gif According to their testimony, they didn't get out of the car. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at Aruba International School, "were in the back seat kissing" in an intimate embrace.

shel     Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 01:09 AM
Aruban Radio Report: Searching Canashito River For Natalee Holloway can anyone verify this?


shel    Saturday, June 11th, 2005, 01:57 AM
Natalee Holloway: Possible Location Update

According to unconfirmed sources the search for Natalee Holloway may be leading to the Canashito Caves area south of Hooiberg, which is the only mountain on the island, off the beaten track and reported known for a set of caves. Here is a link (http://www.aruba.com/qtvr/casihoo1.htm) to a scrollable image to the mountain area.


http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-2244-p-3.html

Hooiberg isn't the only mtn on Aruba.  There is Mt Jaminota which is NE of Saventa and has the water tower. North of that are the caves which include Guadiririki where Pitbull was found.

[Lala'sMom]

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dancinlight    Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 07:36 PM

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a heliocopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport. Also O'Reilly is interviewing some of the students that were on trip with Natalee tonight. anyone know if this is true about Santa Lucia?

AIR23AC     Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 10:55 PM

if the 6:30 am cell call is true that is a very logical time frame.......something goes wrong/happens by 2:30 or so with natalee, the kids would need 3-4 hours to plan and conceal her body

So there a cell records that we haven't seen.  There could very well have been a phone call at that time of the morning.  No.  Joran wasn't in school that day...daddy said so. Was this where someone claims that Joran called the bus driver to pick him up at a different location?  Knew that was a lie...and I know who insisted that Joran was on that bus...okay, I won't go there, but we all know her name...uh, names...

PVDS Statement:
 To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
go to school that day. [/b]

Really!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna
has spoken about. [/b]

At the risk of opening a new can of worms, but I know we are just trying to cover all angles here...

The 6:30 AM call.  Hooiberg.

[Lala'sMom]

Leaving now. I see I have run everyone away with my dancing again...BBL.  Carry on!

[Peaches]

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DiviAruba     Thursday, June 16th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Anyone read Aruba AM today. Article about how hard it is on Joran's family and how they are "being dragged through the mud".

Let me jump in the middleof this to say:

BOO FREAKING HOO!  

[tidycat]

Tibrogargan:  

Yes Lala's ... and you were so good to clean up after yourself yesterday. (Might have to put up a notice to all monkeys about that.) Give yourself a tick in your book Laughing Laughing
Lots of fur around the door again with people rushing out in a hurry. Windows should be OK as Tidycat has been here again.

??  To quote Klaas:  {Did I do something wrong, Zoogeeper?"

[San]

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DiviAruba     Thursday, June 16th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Anyone read Aruba AM today. Article about how hard it is on Joran's family and how they are "being dragged through the mud".

Let me jump in the middleof this to say:

BOO FREAKING HOO!  

Ditto.

The Sloots were mud already.  Especially that slob Anita and sweat head Paulus.

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Peacemaker   Thursday, June 23rd, 2005, 04:54 AM

Joran's mother is very impressive.


Everything she says about her son is no different than what we have heard about Natalie. Both great kids according to their parents.



Let's wait for the trurh.

Please read the entire message before you reply. The idea is to help all of us to think more objectively. The facts may look bad for Joran, this does not make him guilty. However, it does raise much suspicion when considering his character.

Lets look at the simple facts about Joran's character - Is he a good kid? While he may not be a great kid and although he has an irresponsible reputation, this alone does not convict him of any crime. Character, however, is important when determining someone's actions in desperate situations.

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At the age of 17, Joran drives which is illegal in Dutch law, but his parents say he is a good kid and do not consider him a criminal.

At the age of 17, Joran drinks alcohol which is illegal in Dutch law, but his parents say is a good kid do not consider him a criminal.

At the age of 17, Joran gambles which is illegal in Dutch law, but his parents say he is a good kid do not consider him a criminal.

At the age of 17, Joran has been forcefully removed from Resorts by security, but his parents say is a good kid.

At the age of 17, Joran lied to Dutch authorities which is illegal in Dutch law, but his parents say is a good kid do not consider him a criminal.

At the age of 17, Joran had to attend anger management classes (of some sort) according to his mother, but his parents say he would never harm anyone.

When you do something illegal and your arrested/convicted, you are considered a criminal.

When you do something illegal and are never arrested/convicted, you are a criminal without conviction.

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The mother said her son should be held accountable, if he is guilty. Yet, she has never held him accountable for any of his criminal activities. This is not impressive. It is sad and common of parents delusional of their children. Either they have trouble controlling Joran or they let him do whatever he wants. Yet, regardless of his unlawful activities, they claim he is a good kid. Joran has broken multiple laws. As parents, like many parents, they need to address these issues. Until then, they are just as guilty of his abhorrent behavior.

Unfortunately for Van der Sloot, he has lied to the police and incriminated himself already. If any of you really care about this family, then tell them to tell the truth about what they know. Until he starts telling the truth (like Bentree said), people will rightfully consider a person of his character very suspicious. Even more implicative, Joran has consistently lied to authorities about a missing girl, he supposedly cared enough to have relations with. They say the truth will set you free. All of America will be here until we see this truth. If he is innocent, then people will support him. He will have learned the importance character and hopefully begin to live above reproach. Although this is not the way you would wish to learn such things, this may be the wake up call he needed.

Bentrees it is obvious you and some others are somehow close to the Van Der Sloots. Your posts certainly reflect as much, but there is nothing wrong with this. Either way, like everyone we should try to balance our posts. Simply an observation. After all, Joran could be guilty. And if he is guilty of a crime, his own mother wishes Joran be convicted. Like Greta Van Susteren, we need to observe an objective, realistic view until the truth is revealed.

Your comment that Natalee is anything like Joran is simply irrelevant and inaccurate. Natalee is simply a better person than most of us have hoped to become. Her studies and efforts are exemplary. Her volunteer work and devotion to missions that have fed starving children, define her character. Many have missed the reason why this event has captured the worlds attention. It is not because some underaged kid that attends casinos and bars, desperately chasing girls has possibly acted with criminal intentions. It is not because Aruba is so beautiful nor is it that she is a beautiful, white, blonde. It is simply character. Natalee Holloway, regardless of race, regardless of physical beauty, has character that reflects grace, faith, peace, honor, goodness, kindness, patience, and love. When you are a person with the character of Natalee Holloway and you are missing, you will get plenty of support and attention.