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« Reply #740 on: February 09, 2007, 12:49:42 AM »

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I personally don't think Jossy Mansur had anything to do with Natalee's dismise. I truly don't. But, that does not mean he could of helped her disappear. I really don't want to even go there and think that. He's been really a good person in all this and helping to keep Natalee's news alive and tried to get others to come forward in Aruba. Jossy didn't even know about the rocks video. He had to seek them out to learn what was going on. Or so he claims.


These have been the worthy atributes which we have credited him with. But when you look at the flip side, keeping Natalee in the media in what way? .....conjuring false suspects? ......finding false evidence(such as the condom) that form of media attention kept many talking and looking in all different directions perhaps.

I don't believe Jossy conjured up anything..people came to him and he investigated and followed every tip he got.
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« Reply #741 on: February 09, 2007, 12:56:24 AM »

Posted by dkpen guest December 26,2005

In my research that I have been doing and helping someone personally in private, I have put a theory together of my own that could be a possibility. Ofcourse it is all speculation, theory, and assumption on my part.  I like to write everything on a poster board, make a list of possibilities and have an illimination of process.  Thought I would share this with all of you.  I had sent this in to a private investigator about a month or so ago and he said that this was very good information. And funny also, after my conversation about the radar with my friend then turning it in to the PI, 3 days later Aruba had a big article write up about their radar failure problem. LOL
Anyways, read and share your opinions on this theory as well.
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I have been speaking with someone from Aruba for a couple months now. And
every now and then he says something that I put two and two together or
attempt in piecing some of the things he says that may or may not connect to
Natalee Holloway or maybe someone involved.

FYI, this person said that the radar to detect boats coming in and out of
Aruba does not work, and the radar that detects the airplanes only works
sometimes. That they are suppose to work, but don't. They won't ask
Netherlands for the money to help repair them because it will put them in
greater dept owed to the Netherlands. LOL Yeah, easier access to
trafficking he means.

This young mans name is XXXXXXXXXXX. I have read an article in the
past about Aruba being involved with the Mafia or that the Mafia is in
Aruba. Mr. Jossy Mansur's name is heavily involved as are the Arends. When
I showed XXXXXXXXXXX this article and he said it was all BS and became a
little upset. Then I continued to read on down the article and found those
of the same last name as his. I asked him if they were relatives and he just
said....I have a very big family....and left it at that.
This is the article. The first part of it speaks about Aruba then the lower
half talks about Aruba once again. Anything inbetween does not really
pertain to Aruba but leads up to the why's and how's of the Mafia being in
Aruba and such. http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

If you read this site you will see two different persons with the last name
Arends. Jossy Arends and Sarah Arends-Mansur. So that leads me to think
that the young man I speak with is related to Jossy Mansur in some way or
possibly an Aunt is married within the Mansur family. But what I am getting
at that they may be involved in the Mafia or even the disappearance of
Natalee.

I have a gut feeling that Jossy Mansur is involved in the disappearance of
Natalee Holloway. I truly do. I feel he had someone take her off the
island. As we all know, Jossy Mansur is the one that came forward with the
witnesses, no one else. The gardener, so it was said, he was following and
watching Joran Van der Sloot for several days and that night Natalee
Holloway went missing. Perhaps this gardener was the one Jossy Mansur had
take her off the island and Joran Van der Sloot is involved in helping them
target the girls for the sex slave market. As well as the reporter that
works for DIARIO, Jossy Mansur's employee. The man who claims he followed
those that were holding Natalee Holloway. Instead of telling the FBI where
she was or the ALE or even maybe the Holloway-Twitties. Does not make any
sense to me why keep it quiet of her where-a-bouts. Beth said he spoke with
her and said he was following. Just does not make sense to have someone
storm in and take them all under arrest and save Natalee if this was true.
Like an under cover opperation.

Other reasons I feel Jossy Mansur is involved is the way he tries to act as
if he is helping Beth being forthcoming with his help...ect. Although it
may appear that he is in attempt to help, what has he really truly done to
help? Nothing to come up with real proof other than placing the gardener in
a place showing he saw J2K at a given time to dispute the boys placing full
blame on them for Natalee Holloway's disapperance.


Ok, my friend stated places that he and his father had gone to recently to
visit which Jossy Mansur owns. Punto Fijo is the small island off Venezuela
and Aruba. Between the two. I asked XXXXXXXXXXX what was his reason
for visiting the island there. He said that they have a small house there
and sometimes go fishing there. I find it odd when Jossy Mansur and his
family owns this island, basically. As well as the article mentions Jossy
Mansur has business on the island of Margarita. Another island off of
Venezuela. Where money laundering, escorts, and trafficking of drugs...ect
are all on these two islands. Mostly Margarita.


There is also this information from a poster off of BlogsforNatalee. I find
it interesting. It all makes sense to me. Jossy Mansur has ties with mafia
and cartel both on Aruba, Caracos, Caruceo, Punto Fijo, Margarita,
Venezuela, and Columbia. Here is the information from the site.....I hope
this helps and I hope you truly look into this information or possibly pass
it on to someone who would take this a little serious. You never know, the
obvious sometimes is right under our nose and we don't even see it.

"Just as a point of interest. When I first started blogging around start of
June on Political Teen one blogger there who knew Joran in fact this person

could see Jorans house on the day they raided and said "oh now they are at
Jorans fathers house. He will not be happy".This was before it came on the
news. This person professed Joran to be innocent and felt that she would be
found alive. Person blogged as Nan and used to make short one line comments
and struggled alittle bit with english I think. One of the comments he or
she made was simply Isla Margatrita. When asked what was meant by that this
person responded with Margarita Island. Then some little thing about people
traveling there from aruba sometimes. Later on one of the last comments that
Nan made was " it wont be long now" next day Political Teen was hacked and
the site went down. Later when all the tickle profiles were being talked
about and viewed by everyone I saw a person in one of the pictures and links
named Pajoul Nan. I asked Nan if it was her or him if that was him. Never
got an answer and then the person named Nan never posted again to my
knowledge. Later on someone tried to imposter as Nan and said she was a 17
yr old female. However this person was not the real Nan. I wondered about
this person. This person seemed so positive that Natalee would be found
alive. Also that Joran could not be guilty of this. Caught much flack back
then. I know its just all third hand speculation but this person was so
sure. Like saying you will all see. It will all come out. Stuff like that. I
wonder what is the story about this Isla Margarita. If it is only
approachable from venezuela then maybe the smugglers are the only ones who
can come in there from aruba. I wonder just how deep of an investigation L E
in Aruba did into the friends and contacts of Joran and the kalpoes. Maybe
the investigation is getting close now. But how could anyone get in there
now this is so public. It might be a bad thing that so much attension has
been placed on this all if she is a sex slave somewhere. It is good to keep
the pressure on Aruba to solve the case. But Dr Phil broadcasting every move
they make trying to find her can't help her if she is being held. The 3
still could be in on the whole thing. But afraid to tell. I would be if I
knew people who made other people disappear. It would explain alot of
things. Knowing they would never find a body on Aruba. Plus being completely
silent."
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« Reply #742 on: February 09, 2007, 01:02:47 AM »

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Quote from: "dkpen"
I personally don't think Jossy Mansur had anything to do with Natalee's dismise. I truly don't. But, that does not mean he could of helped her disappear. I really don't want to even go there and think that. He's been really a good person in all this and helping to keep Natalee's news alive and tried to get others to come forward in Aruba. Jossy didn't even know about the rocks video. He had to seek them out to learn what was going on. Or so he claims.


These have been the worthy atributes which we have credited him with. But when you look at the flip side, keeping Natalee in the media in what way? .....conjuring false suspects? ......finding false evidence(such as the condom) that form of media attention kept many talking and looking in all different directions perhaps.

I don't believe Jossy conjured up anything..people came to him and he investigated and followed every tip he got.


I would agree to a point. Hey i was just as anxious as anyone to hear some news........but Jossy investigation, in hindsight now is what i think might need questioning. The leads were investigated in the media. The other thing that i always thought strange  was his support of Karin jansen. In view of what was going down with the case, I don't understand how Jossy could so steadfastly support her!
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« Reply #743 on: February 09, 2007, 01:05:32 AM »

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Greta said she likes Larry and she worked with him a lot.


Yep and she tends to belive Joran Vandersloot .
Greta seems to say many dopey thing lately.


Anna Nicole Smith was created by the media, died in the media and will be forgotten by the media.
At least now she can finally rest in peace.


  Dana I agree with you about Gretas credability and objectiveness on anything about Joran and the VDS"s
  any more I will take Nancy Graces opinion and comments befor Gretas .
  My best guess would be that Greta has been promised a future exclusive story or interview if she laid back on Joran and let the story die a slow death , you can bet that Joran and His family  have ideas of how they can make $$  from this whole sad sad situation  just watch and see .
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« Reply #744 on: February 09, 2007, 01:09:51 AM »

I remember that post back in December I made. Thanks BB for bringing it over. It does bring up some more thought and questions in my mind.

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« Reply #745 on: February 09, 2007, 01:28:42 AM »

Just some thought to ponder...sorry can't sleep.


Why would Jossy want to hide what 3 punks did to an American citizen?

Where is the motive to hide her body?  

His political party lost, what does he have to gain by allowing things to drag on?

Who is is his enemy on the island?  

If Shango and Jossy were one and the same, how would you prove it?

I could go on, but that's enough for now.
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« Reply #746 on: February 09, 2007, 01:30:42 AM »

Sorry, but I don't buy Jossy having anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.

Joran, Deepak and Satish did what they've done at least 20 times before but this time something bad happened.  That is my belief.
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« Reply #747 on: February 09, 2007, 01:40:21 AM »

I guess everyone else left for their nice warm beds.  Oh well, I will check in later to see if anyone answered me...just thoughts.


Tibro, did you see those cobwebs in the corner over there?  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #748 on: February 09, 2007, 01:44:18 AM »

OOOPS!  Almost forgot...hugs to Nemo.


Also, please remember Art Colley in your prayers, monkeys.  We have several monkeys that need us to spend a little time in prayer for them.  I often get carried away with the other stuff and forget that there are people out there that need us to just remember them to God.

Monkey hugs to all!
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« Reply #749 on: February 09, 2007, 01:44:52 AM »

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Just some thought to ponder...sorry can't sleep.


Why would Jossy want to hide what 3 punks did to an American citizen? He wouldn't

Where is the motive to hide her body?  There is none
His political party lost, what does he have to gain by allowing things to drag on? No gain

Who is is his enemy on the island?  Oduber

If Shango and Jossy were one and the same, how would you prove it? There is NO WAY Jossy was Shango

I could go on, but that's enough for now.


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« Reply #750 on: February 09, 2007, 01:52:06 AM »

GOODNIGHT ALL!
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« Reply #751 on: February 09, 2007, 02:04:54 AM »

I'm headed off to bed myself, night everyone!

God bless~
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« Reply #752 on: February 09, 2007, 03:40:16 AM »

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I guess everyone else left for their nice warm beds.  Oh well, I will check in later to see if anyone answered me...just thoughts.


Tibro, did you see those cobwebs in the corner over there?  Rolling Eyes


Just getting them now, boss   Laughing

I thought the mention of Shango would bring you out of hiding.  Wink

If it was proven that Jossy had any sort of connection to the disappearance of Natalee I would be the first one to be shocked and disappointed.  I am certainly not considering he is guilty but it is just another avenue to explore, particularly as there is not much happening in the case at present.  Has as much value as some of the other pathways we have all looked at in this enigma.  I like Sunfreak's suggestion of a list of True and Untrue (or words to that effect) to try and sort the lies from what truth was inadvertently released.  I also think there is a lot of value in re-examining the very early statements which were given in the first few days before the cover-up took full effect.  Even the early postings and articles such as Klaas has been bringing to us help to refresh our memories as there has been so much misinformation published that it is difficult to keep track of the salient points.

Will climb off my soapbox and finish the cobwebs  Laughing

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« Reply #753 on: February 09, 2007, 07:59:44 AM »

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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Just some thought to ponder...sorry can't sleep.


Why would Jossy want to hide what 3 punks did to an American citizen? He wouldn't

Where is the motive to hide her body?  There is none
His political party lost, what does he have to gain by allowing things to drag on? No gain

Who is is his enemy on the island?  Oduber

If Shango and Jossy were one and the same, how would you prove it? There is NO WAY Jossy was Shango

I could go on, but that's enough for now.


My answers in Red above.


Klaas - I agree with you.

As some of you know, Jossy and Easy are personal friends who correspond quite a bit. Sometimes it's about Natalee's case, and sometimes it's just talk between friends on a variety of topics. Occasionally Easy will very kindly share with me some of his e-mails from Jossy. Having by now read a fair amount of Jossy's correspondence to a friend (i.e., not meant for public consumption), I don't see anything nefarious going on with the man. In fact, the more I read of what he says, the more I admire him. I cannot see him in any way at all being involved in Natalee's disappearance and the coverup. Of all the public figures on Aruba, he's the one I'd trust the most.
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« Reply #754 on: February 09, 2007, 08:05:26 AM »

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
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« Reply #755 on: February 09, 2007, 08:05:36 AM »

Good morning.  Another busy day at the office for me.  

I agree with you, BT.
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« Reply #756 on: February 09, 2007, 08:06:57 AM »

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Sorry, but I don't buy Jossy having anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.

Joran, Deepak and Satish did what they've done at least 20 times before but this time something bad happened.  That is my belief.


jossy has no more to do with this nightmare than i do
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« Reply #757 on: February 09, 2007, 08:22:32 AM »

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Sorry, but I don't buy Jossy having anything to do with Natalee's disappearance.

Joran, Deepak and Satish did what they've done at least 20 times before but this time something bad happened.  That is my belief.


jossy has no more to do with this nightmare than i do


Right on Robot!  Good a.m. all.

We have obviously run out of people to accuse.  Guess that's why I mostly lurk.. I still care... at this point - we need a break.
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« Reply #758 on: February 09, 2007, 08:30:43 AM »

Solo di Pueblo -   February 8, 2007
Picture on front page
STA. CRUZ -- Diamars atardi patruya di Santa Cruz a bay den vecindario di Boca Mahos na unda cu tin un mucha muher cu intencion di comete suicidio. Na altura di e ruinanan di Bushiribana polis a bin haya e mucha muher D.K. naci na Aruba di 18 aña, hopi deprimi. E mucha muher a bisa cu e tin hopi problema. Su tata a trece eynan pa e haya aire fresco pa calma. E no tin intencion di mata curpa. Patruya a hib’e warda di Santa Cruz pa papia cu ne. D.K. a bisa polis cu e tin problema cu su mama biologica S.K. E mama a yama su ex amigo y a bisa su ex cu D.K. no ta zorg bon pa su yiu. Door di esey su ex a bay na su school pa papia cu ne. Esaki a haci’e depresivo.
E homber cu e ta bibando cu ne actualmente, D.A. naci na Aruba di 34 aña a bin haya un carta cu D.K. a laga atras den cual e ta bisa cu e ta aparta su mes for di e problemanan. D.A. a spanta y a yama polis. Su mama di crianza, M.K. a bin warda y a bisa cu e ta bay tira bista ariba D.K.
Mucha muher di 18 aña a bay cana na Bushiribana cu menos bon intencion
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« Reply #759 on: February 09, 2007, 08:52:05 AM »

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LIVINGSTON — State District Judge Bruce Bennett on Thursday afternoon set the bond of Mark S. Lewis at $500,000 for a single count of obstruction of justice.

Lewis is also the prime suspect in the strangulation of 13-year-old Kaitlin M. Aydell of French Settlement.

Bennett, of 21st Judicial District Court, said he considered all relevant factors in setting the bond, including prosecutors’ concerns that Lewis could be a flight risk to avoid prosecution and that Lewis had been convicted of kidnapping and other crimes involving abduction of a woman in 1995.

Lewis’ attorney, Peter Dudley, said after the hearing that he didn’t know whether Lewis, who is also from French Settlement, could make bond.

Investigators are waiting on evidence from the State Police Crime Lab before they decide whether any further charges against Lewis are a warranted.

Arrested on Friday, Lewis, 39, a relative of Kaitlin’s by marriage, had been held in Livingston Parish Prison without bond.

Livingston Parish investigators have said that Lewis gave them false statements about his whereabouts on Thursday, Feb. 1, the day that Kaitlin disappeared. Her body was found two days later in a small bayou near St. Amant in Ascension Parish.




Mishy, did you see the video of the police and motorcycle escort Kaitlin was given to French Settlement? There were police from three parishes and they called Danette so she could stand on the roadside and watch her baby come home.... Crying or Very sad  Crying or Very sad
The link is posted in the Kaitlin thread...

Morning monkeys.... cant say it is a good one...
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