Lively Case Discussion #581 2/5 - 2/10/2007

[dkpen]

To the post earlier about where Joran and the other PIMPS might have left the 20 + females after they gave them date rape drugs (ghb) the night before they leave the isle....

I believe somewhere we read that one of the hotel witnesses said that Joran stalked american females, especially blonds. And if I recall from Deepaks statement (correct me if it was someone else plz) that they all have shared sex in the hotels at the same time.

I believe this is where the 20 + females were taken after given ghb and left behind after the dirty deed was committed against them. Or the females were staying at the same hotel as Joran and his PIMPS and after the dirty deed the boys took the girls back to their rooms half out or just coming out from the influence of the drugs. By time they completely woke up they were not aware of what exactly happened.

I meant..hotel employee witness

[jobie]

http://aruba-zone.com

Breaking News: Armed Robbery!      

Friday, 09 February 2007  
A couple of hours ago there was a armed robbery that took place at a home in the district of Noord. After a rapid response of the authorities 4 people are being held, with 2 cars and all their firearms in the possession of the police department.
This goes without saying that Aruba has to be alert in these days of Carnival when leaving your property unattended. Be on the watch!

There is a first time for everything !!  

Hi Monkeys.  But how "rapid" is rapid in Aruba?  Couple hours - couple days - couple weeks????  So glad to hear Artcollie is doing well.

[dkpen]

I guess I chased everyone off. hehe

Gonna flip off the lights and leave a night light on for anyone left behind. Sweet dreams to all. Prayers, thoughts and blessings goes out to all you Super Monkeys, your family and friends in need of them.  G'night
God bless~

[klaasend]

[Tibrogargan]

jobie.. Good question    

dkpen.. Thanks for the night light - makes it easier for me to find the broom and mop
 

I would not be surprised if Joran and his fellow perverts went to the girls hotel rooms where possible.  Especially if on another island.  It would not cost them any accommodation charges as they could spend the days prowling the foyers and the nights in the girls rooms.  Gives a whole new meaning to free board and lodgings.

Monkeys  My DH will be on leave (holidays) from work for next two weeks so I will only able to check in here at the busiest times now and again as I will have to share the computer.  Will be able to be here for the cleaning though. Also may have 2 or 3 days away visiting relatives so if I disappear there is no need to send out the search party.  

[IBE]

Phone call, cartoon missing a face in the windows of the hotel

Yes, Klaas, I, too, started on Trip Advisor the first time it was posted or so about her being missing for I had heard the name on TV and goggled it then found Trip Advisor.

The cartoon what Rob requested... isn't there another earlier version of this cartoon that shows more floors in the hotel.. more rooms to the right of the cartoon and a face of someone watching from a few floors up from a window in the hotel? This cartoon has always given me the creeps and it was released not too long after "something bad' happened.

Was always wondering about the hoods on the heads of some of the those on the beach in the cartoon until I learned here that the Visability Team of which one of the pimps father owned/ran (also this company had security cams in hotels/hotel rooms (and casinos???) and it was reported that some of the pimps wore that outfit and lied to tourist that they were police.

I don't see this (man in hotel window) in this version of the cartoon.

About the call early AM... It was my understanding that the phone call came into the vdSloots home from the east part of the island.

No one ever seems to want to find more info on that and I always had thought that was the phone call Shango or Simian had ref. when asked... didn't you hear the phone call and why not.. thought he was hinting that it came in but no one heard it because it just disappeared in the investigation.

My gut level feeing IMO there is a tie into the middle of the island and east re: the aloe plantation, a big prostitution and a place rumored where the ones go missing if there is such a thing as "importing" girls too other islands... ie: a hiding place before they are shipped out.

Anna and Metroguy had good postings a few months ago on the cell phone call.of Joranl.. info or lack of info included in the Police Chief's explanation of Joran's cell phone calls and the triangular whatevers.

That report was as sparse as the computer company reporting what was found on Joran's computers.... just like Depak's car ref: the FBI says it was "too clean"

Tibro I have trouble highlighting and then hitting on the links for bold, or quotes or etc. With some of the browsers I use it works, with some not.

Hard disk drive went down again. This is the 2nd time in a month and after a new one was put in in Dec.

Emails that are forwarded and forwarded with addys... some of the addys are so large  go could sing "Onward Christain Soldiers" for they are big like an army.

One of the ways to get those emails that are fwd: over and over by a friend of a friend, to the friend and then to you, use your ISProvider to check all the mail... delete emails at that level and put the ones with lots of fwd-ing into a separate folder called "Store it" or whatever name you wish that stays on your IP provider server.  I have a spam mailbox on that level too... I clean out the spam there and I then download my emails from the INBOX by using a separate email software. The ones in "Store it" remains until I get time to hash through all the fwds.

The fwd. emails stay on the IP server and not my computer until I can read all of them. Then I cut and paste info when I read them into a txt file only on my computer and don't have all the fwd.. addys on my computer.

Test this with one of the fwd fwd emails in a separate folder to make sure your email software doesn't download all the folders.. then you are in a pickle.

I really cut and paste very little from all those fwd. things for I know hidden baddies can be in the email text content and in attachments, plus the email addresses.

If you have a blah blah function, you can click it and check to see if the email really comes from the sender that is listed. This is the way I find fraudulent emails saying they are Paypal, eBay etc. Then i (keeping them still on my ISP server forward them to <spoof@ebay.com or paypal or <abuse@whatever.com> then delete them at that level and they never come into my computer.

Keeping and deleting at the ISP level keeps all those jpegs, gifs, baddies, and attachments getting into your own computer cache, parts and attachment folders and adding up nonesence things and baddies filling up your hard drive..

Not 100% fail safe but helps.

[IBE]

They certainly could go to hotel rooms of the girls who were last night tourists on the Island, but on another Island they'd have to fly there to be a visitor and find the girls.

If they drugged the girl, she would have to have her own room otherwise it wouldn't work unless they drugged more than 1 that shared the room or they would gather someplace else with their "winnings" of last night a tourist(s), do their dirty deeds and then leave them off alone at the beach or near crack houses.

This fits in with their MO of doing it so many times. and "Detective" Jacobs telling Dave, Natalee's father,  to go to Carlos and Charlies, have a beer, cover your drink for they spike it and wait for her to show up in or near a crack house.

It would be so easy, IMO, to drug a tourist the last night, do the bad things then drop her off on the beach near her hotel.. and then she comes to, or is coming too... is confused, knows by the feel of her body that something bad happened, can't remember it, gets help from the Visiblilty Team to her hotel door, or gets there by herself,,, her roommates are asleep, she crawls into bed, cries, falls asleep and pretends nothing happens as she boards the plane to the US.. (hopefully she is not pregnant)

There have to be girls out there that this happened to, if it was done 20 times before... but I sure wouldn't speak up before or after this case! Especially now with all the mysteries of people dying, etc

There is the possilbility that she was passed on to others by the Pimps that night or after Beth arrived and then became too hot of a commodity to be kept alive.

Or the plan was for them to get a girl, have their way and/or pass her on to elders at any given time in the M.O.... maybe passed on to be exported out of the country

I have always wondered why Joran and his father had so much money to gamble on on a "just failed my judgeship test" salary and a minor under 18. If Anita made so much money teaching, then Aruba is the place for rich teachers.

Remember, it was/is rumored that there were certain rooms at certain hotels on Aruba that was in the plan to take the girls.

Could that have been another reason for Posner to scare the dealer so much.. I think the security cameras, besides seeing Paulus at the same gambling table, his son, the MB student with long hair, whom Joran (and hsi friend the dealer) won money back, Natalee and the supposedly Joran's father Paulus on the right re: the camera shot.

By the way, has it ever been established if Guildo was dealing at that table... the one where one of our Monkeys watched the video and say him cheating?

Also the bouncer who "committed suicide"  drugs in his stomach, him nailed to a cross, burned.. was it ever established that he was on duty that night at the bar where Depak stopped or was he on duty at Carlos and Charles.

A bouncer, IMO would be a good contact to be a baddie or know baddies who supply the middle durgs to the PIMPs and he would also be fast in getting a crew together if needed in the middle of the night.

Did anyone ever connect the beheading of the man who worked at the cremation place to anything having to do with this case?

It's too bad this happened to Natalee.. I hope she fought if she could and scatched the H. out of some. Her revenge will be coming in many ways IMO

[IBE]

Sorry Monkeys... I am a few pages behind and posted when I saw Rob's request for the cartoon

See that you have already covered some of the things I just posted.

[IBE]

sb
If the 6:30 phone call is legit, IMO it LESSENS the chances of PVDS having much involvement in what happened. What happened to Natalee would have happened where PVDS might not find out about it until later.

Gads, I am 11 pages behind! You guys post faster than I can catch up

Sb
Perhaps the late early morning phone call was a call to tell PVDS that all had been taken care of on the disappearing.. it might have been to tell all is finally done or moved to place 1 or 2 or 3? this would tie into him getting alot of $$ from the ATM before the time of this incoming call. And then if he went to the bank again that morning it might have been for more money for the "moving of cargo"


the phone call was incoming not out going IMO[/b][/quote]

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
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Aruba Today
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Translator:
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[Leslie]

On HDTV - this is one of the homes that was shown:
http://www.tierradelsol.com/villarental/photos.html
Villa Mesa Vista

Villa    =    House
Mesa   =    Plain
Vista   =    View

[San]

On HDTV - this is one of the homes that was shown:
http://www.tierradelsol.com/villarental/photos.html
Villa Mesa Vista

Villa    =    House
Mesa   =    Plain
Vista   =    View

The Van der Sloot home.

[Leslie]

Mr. van der Sloot?
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Feb/7/A-7-2-07.pdf
Page 11

[Jerry from Ohio]

after the dirty deed the boys took the girls back to their rooms half out or just coming out from the influence of the drugs. By time they completely woke up they were not aware of what exactly happened.[/quote]

  Well DK  I am pretty (with out getting graphic ) sure that these Girls  have a pretty good Idea of what  happened   to them after these scum were done with them .
  This group just planned and counted on that the girls were too ashamed and afraid of missing their flight home to really do much about it  except to go home and live with the secret of what had happened to them .
  Many women choose to hide feelings and forgo justice  rather then be exposed to the horrid experiences  that many are put through in public if they make a fuss about it .
  AND THAT IS A DAMM SHAME  AND A BLACK MARK ON OUR CULTURE
  IN MY OPINION .
   Like I have said befor and still stick too even though some of my male counterparts  consider it old fashioned  Men should help to keep safe,  Children, Women and Animals .
  This is my opinion and really do not see it changeing anytime soon .
soft  warm Huggs to all  my wonderful Monkey Girl  friends out there also .Jer

[Kat_Gram]

Thank you Jerry for being a GOOD man.
This type of goodness seems to have gone out of style.
And TY for the nice warm hug !

[klaasend]

Mr. van der Sloot?
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Feb/7/A-7-2-07.pdf
Page 11

OK, not quite awake yet but that's where they say the judge will give his final decision on PVDS damages award, on February 13th.

[Jerry from Ohio]

Thank you Jerry for being a GOOD man.
This type of goodness seems to have gone out of style.
And TY for the nice warm hug !

Awe, Go On with yourself now,  darlin,  (Ol Jer Looking down and Kicking dirt with his Boot)  hehehe shucks  ain't  nothing  ms Kat  and I think that your pretty special too Ms <g>

[Cat]

It's 10% of the known women who complained about rape.i have read and been told that not all women know the morning ,after sex that they had sex,unless it was rough or brutal.I think the 90% new because it was brutal and rough,with the pimps.That was their game,and they need more and more brutal games to excite them.I probaly go to far,but I think the pimps are all sick and deserve punishment.I do think some of the pimps were more brutal than others.I looked at the house and it was okay.We have those type houses on the lakes and gulf coast here.In the original suit against the sloots,the use of mdma was stated.This is a drug that you are awake and compliant,as I understand.This is kj stated against gvc.CAT

[mishy]

Yes, Cat, you are awake and compliant on mdma (Ecstasy). It is known as a love drug and actually makes one more touchy- feely...

[Leslie]

klaasend wrote:   OK, not quite awake yet ...
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Yes, you are wide awake.  Thanks for your modifications.  You edit with intelligence.