Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[Anna]

Joran had been in Peru functioning just fine alone and without any translator.  I believe he is doing so currently in Castro Castro so it is highly questionable if he even needed one in the first place.

Yes, this attorney does the same thing with parsing words that Joran does.  What a nice match they are.

And the Arubans are who taught Joran to do this.  Note they did not say the report cleared vd Straten and that he did nothing wrong at all--only that his conduct in the investigation was not dictated by his relationship with the Sloots.

This kind of behavior is clever in a five year old with no concept of the spirit of the law.  It's just dishonest in adults, however.  No wonder joran has no morals as he comes from a society that hasn't any.

[Magnolia]

He reminded me so much of his mother in that interview.  Disgusting!   

I was just gonna say....put a Harpo Marx wig on him and he would look just like that lying Anita.

[wreck]

Joran had been in Peru functioning just fine alone and without any translator.  I believe he is doing so currently in Castro Castro so it is highly questionable if he even needed one in the first place.

Yes, this attorney does the same thing with parsing words that Joran does.  What a nice match they are.

And the Arubans are who taught Joran to do this.  Note they did not say the report cleared vd Straten and that he did nothing wrong at all--only that his conduct in the investigation was not dictated by his relationship with the Sloots.

This kind of behavior is clever in a five year old with no concept of the spirit of the law.  It's just dishonest in adults, however.  No wonder joran has no morals as he comes from a society that hasn't any.

As always -- Aruba "whistles past the graveyard". 

[Anna]

I watched it all, TxMom.  Joran certainly thinks himself irresistible.  Fits in with his claims that women are after him in Peru as well.  Mostly a figment of his imagination.  

I just hope none are allowed to visit him as I'd hate for them to have an "accident" right there in the prison!  He might have to say they just had a spontaneous seizure or something.

And yes, the blaming of the victim was pure Anita theatrics.  Now I feel queasy.

 

[wreck]

I agree with you Anna that Joran is ARUBAN - not Dutch. Did Joran ever even live in The Netherlands  before he was 18???????????????

[Magnolia]

I agree with you Anna that Joran is ARUBAN - not Dutch. Did Joran ever even live in The Netherlands  before he was 18???????????????

He was born in Holland and they moved to Aruba when he was two, I think.
He knew nothing but Aruba.

[wreck]

I agree with you Anna that Joran is ARUBAN - not Dutch. Did Joran ever even live in The Netherlands  before he was 18???????????????

He was born hatched in Holland and they moved to Aruba when he was two, I think.
He knew nothing but Aruba.

[wreck]

Snakes are hatched.

[crazybabyborg]

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

[wreck]

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

Joran has ALL the earmarks of a serial killer ..... all the way back to killing family pets. He needs to be taken out.

[crazybabyborg]

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

Joran has ALL the earmarks of a serial killer ..... all the way back to killing family pets. He needs to be taken out.

He will be, Wreck, IMO, he will be!

He'll never kill another young girl. Peru has already seen to that. That much we have right now! Thank God!

Aruba has so, so, much blood on their hands.........   

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES


"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing in the world is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
~ Calvin Coolidge


GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

[Keepthefaith]

"When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place."
~ Unknown

GOD BLESS SCARED MONKEYS

THOSE WITHOUT VOICES,WILL BE HEARD!

 

[MsVada]

Report: Natalee Holloway Suspect Involved in Thai Sex Trafficking
Monday, November 10, 2008

De Vries’ latest report, which was shown Sunday night on Dutch television, shows Van der Sloot telling someone posing as a sex-industry boss that he can get passports for Thai women and girls who think they are going to the Netherlands to work as dancers, DutchNews.nl reported.

Van der Sloot makes about $13,000 for every woman sold into prostitution in the Netherlands, De Vries claims.

“The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others,” De Vries told a Dutch newspaper. “The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,449294,00.html

Moving this post from an Articles Only-No Discussion thread to Natalee Holloway Discussion Thread #843.  MB
   I'm disgusted to think how many more victims....

[Tylergal]

UNBELIEVABLE;

jenna2  PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:47 am         

AC wrote:
On second thought, I need to ask Jenna a questions.

Do you "have a thing" for murderers?

ETA: I'm not being nasty. It is just that there are some "ladies" who do seem to have a thing for such people and I'm wondering if you are one of them.


I do not believe that Joran murdered Stephany. I also have doubts as to whether it was actually Stephany who was murdered. Why you ask?

In my lifetime, I have personally witnessed what goes on to manipulate the politics of Central and South American governments. I have personally known how individuals get used to create the type of emotions that get the public involved in political games.

1. I was a family friend of Bill Stewart, ABC correspondent who was murdered in Nicaragua. Until an individual was killed, the US public was not interested at all in Nicaragua and the Sandinistas. I do not believe that it was an accident that he was shot by the rebel forces. And, I never knew really what exactly happened. The US government would not help the family recover his body. Maybe six or eight months later the West Germans returned the body.

2. I personally witnessed a US government special operation to capture Edwin Wilson. the most experienced CIA spy in South America and Libya. They hired a con man, Ernest Keiser, who we thought must be Mossad, to get him back into US jurisdiction. The government knew that Keiser was conning individuals out of their money during this operation. And, nobody made restitution to those people.

Stephany was the daughter of a high level politician and very wealthy man. Riccardo Flores Chipoco went to military school with Rafael Rey, the minister of defense. I cannot believe that Flores would allow his family to go unprotected in the current climate in Peru of uncontrolled crimes of violence, kidnapping, and theft. He would be a fool. He didn't go to military training to be a politician and then just ditch the protection of his own family. The casino area in Miraflores is one of the most crime laden in Lima.

3. I hope that Stephany is not dead. I have often thought that Stephany could have been a Bill Stewart to get the people of Peru riled up against the Shining Path. Blaming Joran may be a way to divert that political attention away from a plot to blame Shining Path for the murder of Stephany.

Add the above to the fact that this event occurred on the fifth anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and I conclude that there is impossible odds that this is a real case against Joran for murder.

If Stephany were an ordinary girl and this occurred as a random event on a random date, I might be more inclined to believe that Joran is a psychopath.

I do not believe that Joran is a psychopath or a murderer. You asked me. I told you.

We had a patient at our hospital today who said she was a doctor and a lawyer and had a cure for AIDS, MS and cancer, and if we would let her go, she would give it to our hospital.  She indeed, had many documents signed by significant people in Washington including former presidents and the speaker of the house and the recently deceased oldest member of the Senate, apparently all forged.  I wonder if she and Jenna2 share a ward.

[Tylergal]

Thanks Klassend for the Article.

Loverboys are pimps.. Or they find girls for pimps and sell the girl to the pimp "there client"

They are real and they lead young girls away from home. The girls leave with the loverboy of there own accord and therefore are not kidnapped.

Americans have a very hard time understanding or comprehending the reality of the LoverBoy.
They think it is just a name. In all actuality it is a profession.

Joran has since day 1 showed that he is a capable LoverBoy and there is no doubt in my mind that he has sold females to clients before.

If memory serves, he was referred to as "loverboy" by his associates whose call sign is the only thing they can remember, the "middle finger sign."  I am sure if they were intelligent enough, they could do something else, but all seems lost in that generation of Aruban youngsters.  Small minds, small aspirations.

[Tylergal]

I've always seen Anita as being more crude than Paulus for some reason.  I think she thought she was being soooo sophicticated with her leniency as a parent and likely teacher.  I think she is the one who allowed Joran to live in that shed as though he had reason to need privacy at such a young age.

Joran has said if he asked Paulus the answer would always be no so he asked Anita or words to that effect.  I think she had a "boys will be boys" attitude about all the wrong doings of Joran and likely the other two. 

We sure don't see any improvement in Sebastian since she has been the sole parent but then it's too late likely even for him.

She is the one rumored to have quite a past in regard to this kind of behavior, prostitution, and the one the family of Paulus disapproved of.  And remember Joran was two years old and she was pregnant with Val before they even got married so she sees a child out of wedlock or two as A-OK.

She's the one kicking people in the butt, at ALL the bars now, etc.  So I tend to think Anita ran everything in that house when Joran wasn't in charge.   She's totally New Age with her Bhudism and artsy fartsy pretentions.

And she's the one who said Natalee should never have gotten into that car with "those boys" even though one of them was her own son.  Why would any mother say such about her own child?  I'd think a girl far safer with one of my kids than alone but she knew differently and had no problem with that other than with the VICTIM!

But I do hope some other parents are taking note of what that excessively permissive attitude at far too young an age can lead to.  Young kids and porn do not mix well.  The outcome is never good on that one.

But it took two parents acting in concert to produce the likes of the monster that Joran truly is. 

We saw it and said so all along.  Why were they so blind? 

Oh, the see-through blouses spoke volumes about Christmas Past.

[Tylergal]

Good afternoon Monkeys. I'm just saying hello, really, but will throw out the OPINION that the Thai + Joran stuff we're seeing isn't coming from anywhere reliable.

If they say Peter R de Vries has reported that... well, he hasn't. If that were the case, it would be all over the Dutch media. 

And about Dutch people blaming Joran for losing the World Cup final... haha!
Not true either!
So yeah, a joke, and not even a good one. 

They didn't say Peter R. de Vries, he said de Virus 

I blame th World Cup final on Joran too - bad karma 

there goes that darn spellchecker again.

[Tylergal]

Hi Monkeys!

The thing that makes it hard to know about the new Thailand allegations is that Joran is capable of doing exactly what has been reported here. If he didn't do it, it's just because the opportunity didn't present itself, IMO.

Hi Cee Bee Bee 

ITA

I have always believed the Greta tape was Paulus and Joran and that they were discussing selling Thai girls into the slave business, not Natalee.  If you go back and listen to that program the only thing mentioned was that selling women into the sex trade is illegal.  I think after Paulus' death, Joran spliced and dinked around with the tape in order to sell it to Greta, and make it sound as though he was talking about Natalee, but clearly there was no mention of what girl(s) they were discussing.  Go back, listen and think about this.  For sure, Joran is involved in selling and murder, for sure, for sure.

[wreck]

Hi Monkeys!

The thing that makes it hard to know about the new Thailand allegations is that Joran is capable of doing exactly what has been reported here. If he didn't do it, it's just because the opportunity didn't present itself, IMO.

Hi Cee Bee Bee 

ITA

I have always believed the Greta tape was Paulus and Joran and that they were discussing selling Thai girls into the slave business, not Natalee.  If you go back and listen to that program the only thing mentioned was that selling women into the sex trade is illegal.  I think after Paulus' death, Joran spliced and dinked around with the tape in order to sell it to Greta, and make it sound as though he was talking about Natalee, but clearly there was no mention of what girl(s) they were discussing.  Go back, listen and think about this.  For sure, Joran is involved in selling and murder, for sure, for sure.

Good take!! I think you are on to something.



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